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thunderbird 3.0 beta accessibility issues

Luca-44
Using thunderbird 3 beta with jaws 9 i have the following issues:
1) i cannot  determine if a message has an attachment from the message list
2) i cannot  resize(/move columns  via keyboard: especially moving is
important because people may  need to have some info (read/unread status
etc) spoken before anything else,
3) the preview pane with he body of the message is  read only, bbut
appears there is no  caret so  cannot scroll with  jaws.
4) to reach the preview pane  via tab key ihave to traverse a series of
buttons;havent found a shortcut to go directly to the  body of the
message and back again to the message list.

Are these known bugs?

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Re: thunderbird 3.0 beta accessibility issues

James Teh-2
On 12/03/2009 7:14 AM, luca wrote:
> 1) i cannot determine if a message has an attachment from the message list
Can anyone say whether this is an additional column that could be shown
if we could add new columns (see below)? If not (or this isn't
accessible even once shown), this needs to be filed as a bug.
IN any case, as a work around, listen for the size of the message. If
it's larger than a few kb, it probably has an attachment. :)

> 2) i cannot resize(/move columns via keyboard: especially moving is
> important because people may need to have some info (read/unread status
> etc) spoken before anything else,
See this bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370437

> 3) the preview pane with he body of the message is read only, bbut
> appears there is no caret so cannot scroll with jaws.
Once you tab to the preview pane, it should be read with the virtual
cursor. If not, this is a bug in JAWS 9.

> 4) to reach the preview pane via tab key ihave to traverse a series of
> buttons;havent found a shortcut to go directly to the body of the
> message and back again to the message list.
F6.

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Re: thunderbird 3.0 beta accessibility issues

Luca-44
ok have another one:
1) In the  folder list pressing a letter doesnt focus the corresponding
folder starting with that letter:  its quite inconvenient to  arrow
trough all folders to search the one i want.


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Re: thunderbird 3.0 beta accessibility issues

James Teh-2
On 12/03/2009 8:47 AM, luca wrote:
> 1) In the folder list pressing a letter doesnt focus the corresponding
> folder starting with that letter: its quite inconvenient to arrow trough
> all folders to search the one i want.
This is annoying, yes. You could try the Nostalgy extension, although
I've had some problems with it lately. I blogged about a related issue here:
http://blog.jantrid.net/2009/02/quickly-selecting-folder-with-keyboard.html

I don't actually think there is a bug report filed for this. There is:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226874
but I've recently realised that this actually relates to the menu that
comes up when moving or copying messages, not the folder selection tree.
This probably needs to be filed as a new bug unless I've missed an
existing bug in my searches.

Note that this behaviour is probably at least partially due to the fact
that Thunderbird uses some alphanumeric keyboard shortcuts for commands;
e.g. n for next new message. However, one could argue that these could
be disabled while in the folder tree view.

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Re: thunderbird 3.0 beta accessibility issues

Wayne Mery
On 3/12/2009 5:53 PM, James Teh wrote:

> On 12/03/2009 8:47 AM, luca wrote:
>> 1) In the folder list pressing a letter doesnt focus the corresponding
>> folder starting with that letter: its quite inconvenient to arrow trough
>> all folders to search the one i want.
> This is annoying, yes. You could try the Nostalgy extension, although
> I've had some problems with it lately. I blogged about a related issue
> here:
> http://blog.jantrid.net/2009/02/quickly-selecting-folder-with-keyboard.html
>
> I don't actually think there is a bug report filed for this.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476822 was recently filed
(I happened to come across it a few days ago)

Someone here could probably put in some good suggestions, and mark it up
with "access" keyword and such.
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Re: thunderbird 3.0 beta accessibility issues

Wayne Mery
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On 3/11/2009 5:14 PM, luca wrote:
> Using thunderbird 3 beta with jaws 9 i have the following issues:
> 1) i cannot determine if a message has an attachment from the message list

attachments pane is getting a makeover in v3 so *now* is the time to
jump on some of these bugs. (I don't recall any recent discussion about
attachment column.)  Certainly not all can be addressed in the v3 time
frame, but it would be *great* if some people could look them over and
triage the list.


Subset that clarkbw is seen  (most recent are at the bottom)

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=attach&product=MailNews+Core&product=Thunderbird&product=Toolkit&component=General&component=Mail+Window+Front+End&component=Message+Reader+UI&resolution=---&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailcc1=1&emaillongdesc1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=clarkbw%40gnome&chfieldto=Now&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=short_desc&type0-0-0=anywordssubstr&value0-0-0=


Subset that mentions access  (most recent are at the bottom)

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=attach&product=MailNews+Core&product=Thunderbird&product=Toolkit&component=General&component=Mail+Window+Front+End&component=Message+Reader+UI&resolution=---&chfieldto=Now&order=Last+Changed&field0-0-0=keywords&type0-0-0=anywordssubstr&value0-0-0=access&field0-0-1=longdesc&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=access
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