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Axel Hecht
Hi,

we have another Thunderbird 1.0.x release coming up and we're trying to
learn the lesson from the previous releases. We're down to about 50%
locales that we started out with, and all locales that have on 1.0.7
have a 1.5 release out.

So, my question, and the question of engineering and build, is, which
locales care about a 1.0.x release for their locale.

We want to assess how good any solution we pick needs to scale before
going that route.

Cost is to either repackage ourselves or have l10n teams repackage, and
then do some amount of QA and virus and repackaging-checkup and all that
is not really helping doing other pressing stuff.

So any input here with rationale would be great, sadly, in short timing,
as usual.

Axel
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Re: thunderbird 1.0.x releases and locales

Alexander Ihrig
Axel Hecht schrieb:
> Cost is to either repackage ourselves or have l10n teams repackage, and
> then do some amount of QA and virus and repackaging-checkup and all that
> is not really helping doing other pressing stuff.
>
> So any input here with rationale would be great, sadly, in short timing,
> as usual.

Martin Creutziger (MMx) did the most Linux and OS X l10n builds in the
past. I believe, his marriage will not allow to do all these l10n builds.

If necessary I'll create the german win32 build, but AFAIK there was
nobody asking in german support forums for updated 1.0.x builds after
1.5 release.

Regards
Alex Ihrig
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Re: thunderbird 1.0.x releases and locales

Axel Hecht
Alexander Ihrig wrote:

> Axel Hecht schrieb:
>> Cost is to either repackage ourselves or have l10n teams repackage, and
>> then do some amount of QA and virus and repackaging-checkup and all that
>> is not really helping doing other pressing stuff.
>>
>> So any input here with rationale would be great, sadly, in short timing,
>> as usual.
>
> Martin Creutziger (MMx) did the most Linux and OS X l10n builds in the
> past. I believe, his marriage will not allow to do all these l10n builds.
>
> If necessary I'll create the german win32 build, but AFAIK there was
> nobody asking in german support forums for updated 1.0.x builds after
> 1.5 release.

I actually have MMx' scripts, and did one for windows. But this is just
part of the costs involved.

On top of that, thanks for scratching the german locale from the list.

Axel
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Re: thunderbird 1.0.x releases and locales

Alexander L. Slovesnik
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Hi Axel Hecht
  29.03.2006 0:03 you wrote:

> Hi,
>
> we have another Thunderbird 1.0.x release coming up and we're trying to
> learn the lesson from the previous releases. We're down to about 50%
> locales that we started out with, and all locales that have on 1.0.7
> have a 1.5 release out.
>
> So, my question, and the question of engineering and build, is, which
> locales care about a 1.0.x release for their locale.
>
> We want to assess how good any solution we pick needs to scale before
> going that route.
>
> Cost is to either repackage ourselves or have l10n teams repackage, and
> then do some amount of QA and virus and repackaging-checkup and all that
> is not really helping doing other pressing stuff.
>
> So any input here with rationale would be great, sadly, in short timing,
> as usual.
>
> Axel

Well, I can do Russian Windows and Linux build, but frankly I don't
think that it makes sense. I haven't seen any requests for 1.0.x branch
builds.
If ever someone will need it, I'll point them to language pack.

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Re: thunderbird 1.0.x releases and locales

Piotr Komoda
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Hi Axel,

Personally I don't think there's much need for this, but I'll make Win32
and Linux builds. I'm hoping that our Mac specialist Piotr "Heidi"
Chylinski will make a MacOS X build.
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Re: thunderbird 1.0.x releases and locales

Marcelo Poli
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If necessary, I'll make es-AR Win32 and Linux builds, but doesn't make
any sense when 1.5 is out.
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Re: thunderbird 1.0.x releases and locales

Axel Hecht
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Axel Hecht wrote:

> Hi,
>
> we have another Thunderbird 1.0.x release coming up and we're trying to
> learn the lesson from the previous releases. We're down to about 50%
> locales that we started out with, and all locales that have on 1.0.7
> have a 1.5 release out.
>
> So, my question, and the question of engineering and build, is, which
> locales care about a 1.0.x release for their locale.
>
> We want to assess how good any solution we pick needs to scale before
> going that route.
>
> Cost is to either repackage ourselves or have l10n teams repackage, and
> then do some amount of QA and virus and repackaging-checkup and all that
> is not really helping doing other pressing stuff.
>
> So any input here with rationale would be great, sadly, in short timing,
> as usual.
>
> Axel


Again, I really don't think that a lot of locales will need this, but
here it goes.

http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/1.0.8-candidates/ 

has the build that got signed off by moco QA to get the 1.0.8 builds.
Those locales (really just japanese, right?) that want to, grab them and
follow up on this thread with URLs to the builds so that we can put them
up on ftp.

The principle for this is, we're going to fork the workflow after
mozilla QA signs off the candidate, after that, there will be no
blockers of one on the other, that is, no sim-ship as a priority here.
Once I get the URLs, I'll forward them to build to put up in the
candidates directory along with the en-US one, then QA will do some
sanity checking (someone will do virus checking, too), then we push them
to the release dir.

Axel
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Re: thunderbird 1.0.x releases and locales

dynamis-2
Hi,

These are Japanese (ja-JP) Thunderbird 1.0.8 builds based on 20060417xx
release candidates:
http://ftp.mozilla-japan.org/pub/mozilla-japan/thunderbird/development/1.0.8/thunderbird-1.0.8-2006041710.ja-JP.linux-i686.tar.gz
http://ftp.mozilla-japan.org/pub/mozilla-japan/thunderbird/development/1.0.8/thunderbird-1.0.8-2006041711.ja-JP.win32.installer.exe

We'll add Mac build tonight (in japan) and post about it again.

These builds are under our QA process now. So your QA and virus
repackaging-checkup at the same time is welcome but DON'T RELEASE BEFORE
I SAY THEY'RE OK.

I'll post sign-off mail after our QA is done.
# The sing-off by me may going to be within today and it may possible to
# sim-ship but it's not clear we can do it or not...
# QA is more important than sim-ship I think.

Thanks.

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:52:41 +0200
Axel Hecht <[hidden email]> wrote

> Axel Hecht wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > we have another Thunderbird 1.0.x release coming up and we're trying to
> > learn the lesson from the previous releases. We're down to about 50%
> > locales that we started out with, and all locales that have on 1.0.7
> > have a 1.5 release out.
> >
> > So, my question, and the question of engineering and build, is, which
> > locales care about a 1.0.x release for their locale.
> >
> > We want to assess how good any solution we pick needs to scale before
> > going that route.
> >
> > Cost is to either repackage ourselves or have l10n teams repackage, and
> > then do some amount of QA and virus and repackaging-checkup and all that
> > is not really helping doing other pressing stuff.
> >
> > So any input here with rationale would be great, sadly, in short timing,
> > as usual.
> >
> > Axel
>
>
> Again, I really don't think that a lot of locales will need this, but
> here it goes.
>
> http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/1.0.8-candidates/ 
>
> has the build that got signed off by moco QA to get the 1.0.8 builds.
> Those locales (really just japanese, right?) that want to, grab them and
> follow up on this thread with URLs to the builds so that we can put them
> up on ftp.
>
> The principle for this is, we're going to fork the workflow after
> mozilla QA signs off the candidate, after that, there will be no
> blockers of one on the other, that is, no sim-ship as a priority here.
> Once I get the URLs, I'll forward them to build to put up in the
> candidates directory along with the en-US one, then QA will do some
> sanity checking (someone will do virus checking, too), then we push them
> to the release dir.
>
> Axel
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Re: thunderbird 1.0.x releases and locales

dynamis-2
Hi.

Here is Japanese (ja-JPM) Thunderbird 1.0.8 build:
http://ftp.mozilla-japan.org/pub/mozilla-japan/thunderbird/development/1.0.8/thunderbird-1.0.8-2006041710.ja-JPM.mac-2.dmg

and win/linux ja-JP builds are same as previous post:
http://ftp.mozilla-japan.org/pub/mozilla-japan/thunderbird/development/1.0.8/thunderbird-1.0.8-2006041711.ja-JP.win32.installer.exe
http://ftp.mozilla-japan.org/pub/mozilla-japan/thunderbird/development/1.0.8/thunderbird-1.0.8-2006041710.ja-JP.linux-i686.tar.gz

THEY ARE READY TO REELEASE

Please check and release them unless I stop or you find something wrong.
# we don't change copyright year of them since the year of L10N Firefox
# builds are still 2005

Thanks.


On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:22:10 +0900
dynamis <[hidden email]> wrote

> Hi,
>
> These are Japanese (ja-JP) Thunderbird 1.0.8 builds based on 20060417xx
> release candidates:
> http://ftp.mozilla-japan.org/pub/mozilla-japan/thunderbird/development/1.0.8/thunderbird-1.0.8-2006041710.ja-JP.linux-i686.tar.gz
> http://ftp.mozilla-japan.org/pub/mozilla-japan/thunderbird/development/1.0.8/thunderbird-1.0.8-2006041711.ja-JP.win32.installer.exe
>
> We'll add Mac build tonight (in japan) and post about it again.
>
> These builds are under our QA process now. So your QA and virus
> repackaging-checkup at the same time is welcome but DON'T RELEASE BEFORE
> I SAY THEY'RE OK.
>
> I'll post sign-off mail after our QA is done.
> # The sing-off by me may going to be within today and it may possible to
> # sim-ship but it's not clear we can do it or not...
> # QA is more important than sim-ship I think.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:52:41 +0200
> Axel Hecht <[hidden email]> wrote
>
> > Axel Hecht wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > we have another Thunderbird 1.0.x release coming up and we're trying to
> > > learn the lesson from the previous releases. We're down to about 50%
> > > locales that we started out with, and all locales that have on 1.0.7
> > > have a 1.5 release out.
> > >
> > > So, my question, and the question of engineering and build, is, which
> > > locales care about a 1.0.x release for their locale.
> > >
> > > We want to assess how good any solution we pick needs to scale before
> > > going that route.
> > >
> > > Cost is to either repackage ourselves or have l10n teams repackage, and
> > > then do some amount of QA and virus and repackaging-checkup and all that
> > > is not really helping doing other pressing stuff.
> > >
> > > So any input here with rationale would be great, sadly, in short timing,
> > > as usual.
> > >
> > > Axel
> >
> >
> > Again, I really don't think that a lot of locales will need this, but
> > here it goes.
> >
> > http://stage.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/1.0.8-candidates/ 
> >
> > has the build that got signed off by moco QA to get the 1.0.8 builds.
> > Those locales (really just japanese, right?) that want to, grab them and
> > follow up on this thread with URLs to the builds so that we can put them
> > up on ftp.
> >
> > The principle for this is, we're going to fork the workflow after
> > mozilla QA signs off the candidate, after that, there will be no
> > blockers of one on the other, that is, no sim-ship as a priority here.
> > Once I get the URLs, I'll forward them to build to put up in the
> > candidates directory along with the en-US one, then QA will do some
> > sanity checking (someone will do virus checking, too), then we push them
> > to the release dir.
> >
> > Axel
> > _______________________________________________
> > dev-l10n mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-l10n
>
>
>  - dynamis (Manager, L10N Center)
>
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>   L10N Center     : http://www.mozilla-japan.org/jp/l10n/
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>
>
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