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tim o'brien-7
This is a known bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374509
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408369
but folks may be unaware of accessibility considerations. I use a
black background, making the red underline near impossible to see. Can
this be made a priority? Does anyone know of an alternative?
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Re: spell check underline color

Ken Saunders-4
On Feb 26, 8:42 pm, "tim o'brien" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> This is a known bug:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374509https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408369
> but folks may be unaware of accessibility considerations. I use a
> black background, making the red underline near impossible to see. Can
> this be made a priority? Does anyone know of an alternative?

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Re: spell check underline color

Ken Saunders-4
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I'm glad that you brought this up. I use a white background (sometimes
#F4F4F4, sometimes black, depends on my eyes each day) and I have
problems with the underline color as well.

I am sure that we can use CSS to change it, I just haven't yet
researched what the underline label is. Once we discover that, we can
just add it to the userChrome.css or Stylish.

I'll look into it but hopefully someone in the group will know what it
is already.

Ken
AccessFirefox.org

P.S. >JUSTIFIED RANT< I surely do hope that by the time that the folks
at Google lose their perfect eyesight that CAPTCHAS are even more
difficult to decipher and read. We're used to dealing with such
blatant and discriminatory barriers, it's a fringe benefit.

I have to use full page zoom to just barely see the CAPTCHA and I can
only zoom to 170%. At 200% the CAPTCHA gets cut off at the right due
to finely coded pages I guess, I'm not a coder but 816 errors can't be
all that good.
And the garbled ridiculously fast audio option is a joke.
Sure there is Webvisium but it is appalling that there isn't an add-on
that just solves CAPTCHAS.
All on a page pertaining to accessibility.
>END JUSTIFIED RANT<

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On Feb 26, 8:42 pm, "tim o'brien" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> This is a known bug:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374509https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408369
> but folks may be unaware of accessibility considerations. I use a
> black background, making the red underline near impossible to see. Can
> this be made a priority? Does anyone know of an alternative?

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Re: spell check underline color

Steve Lee-3
2009/2/27 Ken Saunders <[hidden email]>:
> Sure there is Webvisium but it is appalling that there isn't an add-on
> that just solves CAPTCHAS.

better, an addon that sends rude emails to the owners of site with captchas :-)

Steve
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Ken Saunders-4
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LOL

I have to solve a CAPTCHA just to type LOL (and this) and I'm logged
into my Google account. Just doesn't seem right.

Oops, and the first attempt failed with zoom at 170%.

Oops, here goes my 3rd attempt. Am I the only one seeing (pun
intended) a problem here?



On Feb 27, 2:54 am, Steve Lee <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 2009/2/27 Ken Saunders <[hidden email]>:
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> > Sure there is Webvisium but it is appalling that there isn't an add-on
> > that just solves CAPTCHAS.
>
> better, an addon that sends rude emails to the owners of site with captchas :-)
>
> Steve

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Steve Lee-3
2009/2/27 Ken Saunders <[hidden email]>:
> Oops, here goes my 3rd attempt. Am I the only one seeing (pun
> intended) a problem here?

Ken, we're going a little off topic here but where exactly are you
seeing these CAPTCHAs? In Gmail or some web ui like google groups? You
should be able to do all you need to with email.

I use gmail through Google Apps these days and never see a CAPTCHA
(and would vote with my mouse and go else where if I had to).

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Re: spell check underline color

tim o'brien-7
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re: CAPTCHA zoom:

 Don't use full page zoom. Download the firefox plugin, Image Zoom.
Right Click + Scroll Wheel zooms the image in and out nicely. I have a
spiel about it on my blog post: http://www.timobrienphotos.com/2008/12/access-the-web/.
I think that I emailed you all at AccessFirefox so you might consider
adding this to your list of accessible add-ons. If not :), please
consider adding Image Zoom to your list of accessible add-ons

re spell check underline. What I have read is that the underline color
is 'hard coded'.I don't know exactly what that means, but it seems to
imply that it is not user accessible. Am I correct? Any suggestions
for alternatives in the meanwhile?
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Re: spell check underline color

Gregory J. Rosmaita
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aloha, tim!

as a user with no vision, i would like to have the spell checker
made accessible to those who cannot perceive the underlining --
there needs to be a programmatic means of alerting the totally
blind user that a potential misspelling has been detected, and a
means of accessing the dictionary entry suggestions in the context
menu for the underlined word, short of routing the speech cursor
to the underlined text and simulating a right mouse click to open
the context menu...

is this something for which i should open a related bug?  is this
a case where the FoxSounds plug-in/add-on could be leveraged to
provide aural indications of potential misspellings?  i'd rather
have this addressed in FireFox itself, rather than be left to a
plug-in or extension, as it is part of the "core" functionality
of FireFox...

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---------- Original Message -----------
From: "tim o'brien" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:42:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: spell check underline color

> This is a known bug:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374509
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408369
> but folks may be unaware of accessibility considerations. I use a
> black background, making the red underline near impossible to
> see. Can this be made a priority? Does anyone know of an alternative?
>
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Re: spell check underline color

tim o'brien-7
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gregory,

you put the issue very well. I don't yet know FoxSounds. Wher ecan I
find it?

We need a firefox developer to help with my thoughts. I hypothesize,
with no evidence, that the underlining feature being 'hard coded'
makes it difficult to build an accessible feature around it. If I am
right (there is no reason to suppose I am), the first step would be to
get it 'soft coded'.

Regardless, there should be multiple ways to receive spell check
feedback. If it is not built directly into Firefox, this would make
for a great accessibility plug in. Together with more perceivable
visual signal, there should be either a direct audio interface or some
sort of bridge to screen readers.

I am out of my depth here. Perhaps we should suggest in the bug
discussions that, if they do not have the resources to fix this soon,
that they could change Firefox sufficiently to allow a add-on
developer to build such an extension? If you suggest it, the
additional voice may add weight to the request. Let me know.

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Re: spell check underline color

Ken Saunders-4
Hi all,
Sorry for not getting back.
I am by no means at all a developer but I learn hands on and by
experimenting. Feel free to shoot this down if you know that it will
not work.

I have an idea to try and at least assign a sound event to spell
checking by using the Noise Firefox extension. It's quite awesome,
customizable, and helpful by the way and worth looking into.
On AMO
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8438
Home page
http://www.bootleq.com/noise/index.html

I've emailed the developer to see if it would be possible to add such
an event as well posted to the mozillaZine forums. We'll see how all
that goes.
I've experimented with different strings for the sound event, but no
luck.
I thought that at the least perhaps a sound event can be added to the
triggering of manually spelling checking a document, text area etc but
again, I have no clue on what the string should be and I'm still
searching for the keyboard shortcut that does trigger spell check but
no luck there either. The only one that I found seems to be old (alt
+s) and it now focuses on the History drop down menu (using Windows).

At least by us all brainstorming this in the open, our chances of
finding a remedy are much greater. Again, if you already know that
none of these ideas are possible, please comment.

@ tim
I didn't see the need to use Image Zoom at first because Firefox's
full page zoom is usually sufficient for me but after reading your
comment again, I decided to give it another shot. It actually does
work better on CAPTCHAS and keeps the whole CAPTCHA image in view
while full page zoom does not. But I did experience issues with it
distorting images. If it always maintained the aspect ratio, then it
would be perfect. For now though, I will add it to my add-ons and when
I get the time (like that will ever happen) I'll surely add it to
Access Firefox so thank you and sorry for the delay.
I also use ImageTweak that replaces the default view image function in
Firefox. I love it. It's very customizable. You can specify the
background color, zoom in and out (with mouse or keyboard), drag and
more.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3683

@ Steve
Yes, I am currently in Google Groups. I sometimes have trouble (for
whatever reason) with posting to the group via Thunderbird, but I
shouldn't have to try and find an alternative way of accessing and
using sites and services because there isn't always one available.
I'd be ok with Google's CAPTCHA choice if they use what I consider to
be the standard one from captcha.net. I can zoom in to 300% and view
the entire image, change the CAPTCHA image as many times as necessary
until I find one that I THINK that I can solve, and if not, the audio
option is very clear and a different and unlimited one of those is
possible too. None of which is possible with Google's CAPTCHA.

Thanks guys.
I look forward to your ideas and feedback.

Ken


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Re: spell check underline color

tim o'brien-7
@Ken - If I can help with AccesFirefox in any way, let me know.

I have downloaded Noise and Image Tweak, so will give them a spin.

How would a sound notification work? I usually have multiple typos in
my writing, so the trigger would have to be via the mouse or cursor
bumping into a mis-spelled word.

Or we need an old fashion spell check pop up window type of thing that
would find incorrect spelling ans prompt for a response.
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add-ons ate the URI in my status bar!

Gregory J. Rosmaita
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aloha!

how does one set a plug-in to NOT take up space in the status
bar, so that one can review the status line for the URI of the
link/item with focus?

i'm willing to give up some space to foxclocks, because foxclocks
rocks -- both in and of itself as an add-on, and in its exemplary
choice of display options -- but i don't need the iconic clutter
that keeps me from being able to query the status line for the URI
of the link/item with focus

no matter how many objects clutter my status line, i should still
be able to have my screen reader read the full URI when the status
line is queried, even if -- visually -- the URI is truncated or is
forced off the status line by add-on/plug-in status bar hogs

there should be a way for the user to be able to preserve the
status line for URI exposition and a default add-on/plug-in
requirement that shortcuts or icons will not be added to the
status line except upon receipt of explicit user input

the multiple toolbar model is what i'm after for the status
line in firefox - i can turn on toolbars or turn them off, and
they don't interfere with the location field (the addressbar,
i think is its technical name); the same should be true for
any add-on or plug-in distributed via any mozilla fora -- a
user should be able to control whether or not to add items to
the status line...  either that, or i need someone to hack me
a plugin that moves statusbar icons to a XUL toolbar or (better
yet) a menu item...

speaking of multiple toolbars, there should be a native (that
is, firefox UI provided) means of accessing multiple toolbars
from the keyboard -- or, at least, the ability for a user to set
or invoke one?

gregory.
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earcon plugin for firefox (was: Re: spell check underline color)

Gregory Rosmaita
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On Feb 28, 10:08 am, "tim o'brien" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> gregory,
>
> you put the issue very well. I don't yet know FoxSounds. Wher ecan I
> find it?

the name of one of the sound/earconic plugins is i use is
"Navigational Sounds"

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16?addons-author-addons-select=1030

sorry for taking so long to respond to your question, gregory
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