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"I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."

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Re: "Clueless" response

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> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."
>
Precisely! :)

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Re: "Clueless" response

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On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
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> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."
>
> Terry

11-1-12

i AM NOW TRYING THIS ON YOUR 'SUBMIT FEEDBACK' BUTTON BECAUSE NEITHER
YOUR 'SAD' BUTTON NOR YOUR 'HAPPY' BUTTON DOES NOT WORK!!!
I am trying this on your 'happy' button because your 'sad' button ...
DOES NOT WORK~!!!
<snip>
Even for me to click on the 'submit feedback' button ... nothing
happens!!! I had to copy what I wrote and 'open another page' to get to
here ... still ... no response!!! ... still no response ... your 'submit
feedback' button DOES NOT WORK!!!!


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Re: "Clueless" response

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On 11/1/2012 10:41 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
> the keyboard
>
>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."
>>
>> Terry
>
> 11-1-12
>
> i AM NOW TRYING THIS ON YOUR 'SUBMIT FEEDBACK' BUTTON BECAUSE NEITHER
> YOUR 'SAD' BUTTON NOR YOUR 'HAPPY' BUTTON DOES NOT WORK!!!
> I am trying this on your 'happy' button because your 'sad' button ...
> DOES NOT WORK~!!!
> <snip>
> Even for me to click on the 'submit feedback' button ... nothing
> happens!!! I had to copy what I wrote and 'open another page' to get to
> here ... still ... no response!!! ... still no response ... your 'submit
> feedback' button DOES NOT WORK!!!!
>
>
> Terry

That's because once you type "too many" characters and the countdown
display goes negative, the Submit button becomes ineffective, but it's a
poor GUI because it doesn't make that at all clear.  See the bug I
submitted about this:  bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680135
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Re: "Clueless" response

F1Com
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On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
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> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."
>
> Terry

11-1-12

I attempted to use your Product Feedback webmail but it would not allow
me to submit my message (button grayed-out no matter what I did) so here
are my thoughts. Hopefully you will direct this to the appropriate parties.


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Re: "Clueless" response

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> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."
>

This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg


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Re: "Clueless" response

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My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:

> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
> the keyboard
>
>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."
>>
>
> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>
But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?

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Re: "Clueless" response

F1Com
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On 11/1/2012 7:47 AM On a whim, Rav pounded out on the keyboard

> On 11/1/2012 10:41 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
>> the keyboard
>>
>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."
>>>
>>> Terry
>> 11-1-12
>>
>> i AM NOW TRYING THIS ON YOUR 'SUBMIT FEEDBACK' BUTTON BECAUSE NEITHER
>> YOUR 'SAD' BUTTON NOR YOUR 'HAPPY' BUTTON DOES NOT WORK!!!
>> I am trying this on your 'happy' button because your 'sad' button ...
>> DOES NOT WORK~!!!
>> <snip>
>> Even for me to click on the 'submit feedback' button ... nothing
>> happens!!! I had to copy what I wrote and 'open another page' to get to
>> here ... still ... no response!!! ... still no response ... your 'submit
>> feedback' button DOES NOT WORK!!!!
>>
>>
>
> That's because once you type "too many" characters and the countdown
> display goes negative, the Submit button becomes ineffective, but it's a
> poor GUI because it doesn't make that at all clear.  See the bug I
> submitted about this:  bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680135

And I gave you my bug also, the last time you posted.  I agree with you,
but the devs don't.


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Re: "Clueless" response

F1Com
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On 11/1/2012 11:16 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard

> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
> with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:
>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
>> the keyboard
>>
>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."
>>>
>> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
>> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>>
> But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?
>

You enjoy getting it wrong, don't you!  What does it say after the
counter?  Ding ding ding!

140 IS bad, but so is 250.  Not at all what I was referring to, as usual.


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Re: "Clueless" response

Sailfish-2
My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
with on 11/1/2012 11:52 AM:

> On 11/1/2012 11:16 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>> with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:
>>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
>>> the keyboard
>>>
>>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
>>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."
>>>>
>>> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
>>> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>>>
>> But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?
>
> You enjoy getting it wrong, don't you!  What does it say after the
> counter?  Ding ding ding!
>
More like I find your inconsistencies puzzling, verging on whinedom.

> 140 IS bad, but so is 250.  Not at all what I was referring to, as usual.
>
ah, so maybe I should have removed one of the bads:

Apple is merely bad for 140 character limit (and, btw, hasn't seen fit
to increase it to 250 characters like Mozilla has) but they really
nailed it on how to label their characters-left counter so I can forgive
them their low character count limitation.

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Re: "Clueless" response

F1Com
On 11/1/2012 12:27 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard

> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
> with on 11/1/2012 11:52 AM:
>> On 11/1/2012 11:16 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>> with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:
>>>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
>>>> the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
>>>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."
>>>>>
>>>> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
>>>> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>>>>
>>> But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?
>> You enjoy getting it wrong, don't you!  What does it say after the
>> counter?  Ding ding ding!
>>
> More like I find your inconsistencies puzzling, verging on whinedom.

I already said "I" was the one to get the characters increased.  Go back
and read what I've stated all along.  It was about making the counter
clear.  What do you find inconsistent about that?

>
>> 140 IS bad, but so is 250.  Not at all what I was referring to, as usual.
>>
> ah, so maybe I should have removed one of the bads:
>
> Apple is merely bad for 140 character limit (and, btw, hasn't seen fit
> to increase it to 250 characters like Mozilla has) but they really
> nailed it on how to label their characters-left counter so I can forgive
> them their low character count limitation.
>

Maybe no one filed a bug on it as I did, to get it increased.

And BTW, the counter was only for searching a topic, so I really doubt
someone would use MORE than 140 characters in a search, no?  Quite a bit
different that trying to explain clearly enough why a program isn't
doing what it is supposed to.  I don't see any comparison at all.


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Re: "Clueless" response

Sailfish-2
My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
with on 11/1/2012 12:33 PM:

> On 11/1/2012 12:27 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>> with on 11/1/2012 11:52 AM:
>>> On 11/1/2012 11:16 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>>> with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:
>>>>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
>>>>> the keyboard
>>>>>
>>>>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the
>>>>>> “makes me
>>>>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link
>>>>>> worked."
>>>>>>
>>>>> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
>>>>> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>>>>>
>>>> But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?
>>> You enjoy getting it wrong, don't you!  What does it say after the
>>> counter?  Ding ding ding!
>>>
>> More like I find your inconsistencies puzzling, verging on whinedom.
>
> I already said "I" was the one to get the characters increased.  Go back
> and read what I've stated all along.  It was about making the counter
> clear.  What do you find inconsistent about that?

The fact that you made no mention of the Apple 140 character limitation;
especially considering how much you claimed about how bad a UI it was
for Mozilla, perhaps?

>>
>>> 140 IS bad, but so is 250.  Not at all what I was referring to, as
>>> usual.
>>>
>> ah, so maybe I should have removed one of the bads:
>>
>> Apple is merely bad for 140 character limit (and, btw, hasn't seen fit
>> to increase it to 250 characters like Mozilla has) but they really
>> nailed it on how to label their characters-left counter so I can forgive
>> them their low character count limitation.
>>
> Maybe no one filed a bug on it as I did, to get it increased.
>
Hmm, if so, mightn't that suggest that your Mozilla bug was not as big
of a problem as you made it out to be?

> And BTW, the counter was only for searching a topic, so I really doubt
> someone would use MORE than 140 characters in a search, no?  Quite a bit
> different that trying to explain clearly enough why a program isn't
> doing what it is supposed to.  I don't see any comparison at all.
>
Whose to say? I noticed that Google Groups
(http://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en) has such arbitrary character
limitation nor the TB searchbar, for that matter.

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F1Com
On 11/1/2012 12:45 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard

> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
> with on 11/1/2012 12:33 PM:
>> On 11/1/2012 12:27 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>> with on 11/1/2012 11:52 AM:
>>>> On 11/1/2012 11:16 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>>>> with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:
>>>>>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
>>>>>> the keyboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the
>>>>>>> “makes me
>>>>>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link
>>>>>>> worked."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
>>>>>> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>> But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?
>>>> You enjoy getting it wrong, don't you!  What does it say after the
>>>> counter?  Ding ding ding!
>>>>
>>> More like I find your inconsistencies puzzling, verging on whinedom.
>> I already said "I" was the one to get the characters increased.  Go back
>> and read what I've stated all along.  It was about making the counter
>> clear.  What do you find inconsistent about that?
>
> The fact that you made no mention of the Apple 140 character limitation;
> especially considering how much you claimed about how bad a UI it was
> for Mozilla, perhaps?

Made no mention?  I posted an image!  If I wanted to hide it, I could
have easily done so!  "...claimed about how bad a UI it was..."?

>>>> 140 IS bad, but so is 250.  Not at all what I was referring to, as
>>>> usual.
>>>>
>>> ah, so maybe I should have removed one of the bads:
>>>
>>> Apple is merely bad for 140 character limit (and, btw, hasn't seen fit
>>> to increase it to 250 characters like Mozilla has) but they really
>>> nailed it on how to label their characters-left counter so I can forgive
>>> them their low character count limitation.
>>>
>> Maybe no one filed a bug on it as I did, to get it increased.
>>
> Hmm, if so, mightn't that suggest that your Mozilla bug was not as big
> of a problem as you made it out to be?
>

yawn...

>> And BTW, the counter was only for searching a topic, so I really doubt
>> someone would use MORE than 140 characters in a search, no?  Quite a bit
>> different that trying to explain clearly enough why a program isn't
>> doing what it is supposed to.  I don't see any comparison at all.
>>
> Whose to say? I noticed that Google Groups
> (http://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en) has such arbitrary character
> limitation nor the TB searchbar, for that matter.
>

Go to the Apple site yourself and see.

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Re: "Clueless" response

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On 11/1/2012 2:33 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> On 11/1/2012 12:27 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>> with on 11/1/2012 11:52 AM:
>>> On 11/1/2012 11:16 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>>> with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:
>>>>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
>>>>> the keyboard
>>>>>
>>>>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the
>>>>>> “makes me
>>>>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link
>>>>>> worked."
>>>>>>
>>>>> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
>>>>> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>>>>>
>>>> But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?
>>> You enjoy getting it wrong, don't you!  What does it say after the
>>> counter?  Ding ding ding!
>>>
>> More like I find your inconsistencies puzzling, verging on whinedom.
>
> I already said "I" was the one to get the characters increased.  Go back
> and read what I've stated all along.  It was about making the counter
> clear.  What do you find inconsistent about that?
>
>>
>>> 140 IS bad, but so is 250.  Not at all what I was referring to, as
>>> usual.
>>>
>> ah, so maybe I should have removed one of the bads:
>>
>> Apple is merely bad for 140 character limit (and, btw, hasn't seen fit
>> to increase it to 250 characters like Mozilla has) but they really
>> nailed it on how to label their characters-left counter so I can forgive
>> them their low character count limitation.
>>
>
> Maybe no one filed a bug on it as I did, to get it increased.
>
> And BTW, the counter was only for searching a topic, so I really doubt
> someone would use MORE than 140 characters in a search, no?  Quite a bit
> different that trying to explain clearly enough why a program isn't
> doing what it is supposed to.  I don't see any comparison at all.
>
>
> Terry
If they want to do it right, up the count to 500 and display the
characters remaining in green.  When the count goes under 100, change it
to yellow, and when it gets to 25, change to red, and beep.  Better yet,
if they don't want to spend a reasonable amount of time on each
feedback, just forget the whole idea.

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Re: "Clueless" response

WaltS-3
On 11/01/2012 04:51 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:

> On 11/1/2012 2:33 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> On 11/1/2012 12:27 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>> with on 11/1/2012 11:52 AM:
>>>> On 11/1/2012 11:16 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>>>> with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:
>>>>>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
>>>>>> the keyboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the
>>>>>>> “makes me
>>>>>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link
>>>>>>> worked."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
>>>>>> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>> But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?
>>>> You enjoy getting it wrong, don't you!  What does it say after the
>>>> counter?  Ding ding ding!
>>>>
>>> More like I find your inconsistencies puzzling, verging on whinedom.
>>
>> I already said "I" was the one to get the characters increased.  Go back
>> and read what I've stated all along.  It was about making the counter
>> clear.  What do you find inconsistent about that?
>>
>>>
>>>> 140 IS bad, but so is 250.  Not at all what I was referring to, as
>>>> usual.
>>>>
>>> ah, so maybe I should have removed one of the bads:
>>>
>>> Apple is merely bad for 140 character limit (and, btw, hasn't seen fit
>>> to increase it to 250 characters like Mozilla has) but they really
>>> nailed it on how to label their characters-left counter so I can forgive
>>> them their low character count limitation.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe no one filed a bug on it as I did, to get it increased.
>>
>> And BTW, the counter was only for searching a topic, so I really doubt
>> someone would use MORE than 140 characters in a search, no?  Quite a bit
>> different that trying to explain clearly enough why a program isn't
>> doing what it is supposed to.  I don't see any comparison at all.
>>
>>
>> Terry
> If they want to do it right, up the count to 500 and display the
> characters remaining in green.  When the count goes under 100, change it
> to yellow, and when it gets to 25, change to red, and beep.  Better yet,
> if they don't want to spend a reasonable amount of time on each
> feedback, just forget the whole idea.
>

It starts out Green, turns to Black at 50, Red when it goes into
negative values. Quite visible to me.

What is the problem?

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RAV-2
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On 11/1/2012 2:35 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> On 11/1/2012 7:47 AM On a whim, Rav pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> On 11/1/2012 10:41 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
>>> the keyboard
>>>
>>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the “makes me
>>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link worked."
>>>>
>>>> Terry
>>> 11-1-12
>>>
>>> i AM NOW TRYING THIS ON YOUR 'SUBMIT FEEDBACK' BUTTON BECAUSE NEITHER
>>> YOUR 'SAD' BUTTON NOR YOUR 'HAPPY' BUTTON DOES NOT WORK!!!
>>> I am trying this on your 'happy' button because your 'sad' button ...
>>> DOES NOT WORK~!!!
>>> <snip>
>>> Even for me to click on the 'submit feedback' button ... nothing
>>> happens!!! I had to copy what I wrote and 'open another page' to get to
>>> here ... still ... no response!!! ... still no response ... your 'submit
>>> feedback' button DOES NOT WORK!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's because once you type "too many" characters and the countdown
>> display goes negative, the Submit button becomes ineffective, but it's a
>> poor GUI because it doesn't make that at all clear.  See the bug I
>> submitted about this:  bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680135
>
> And I gave you my bug also, the last time you posted.  I agree with you,
> but the devs don't.
>
>
> Terry

Sorry, right you are.  I didn't make the connection as it was a
different thread.
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Re: "Clueless" response

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On 11/1/2012 1:51 PM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard

> On 11/1/2012 2:33 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> On 11/1/2012 12:27 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>> with on 11/1/2012 11:52 AM:
>>>> On 11/1/2012 11:16 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>>>> with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:
>>>>>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded out on
>>>>>> the keyboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the
>>>>>>> “makes me
>>>>>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link
>>>>>>> worked."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
>>>>>> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>> But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?
>>>> You enjoy getting it wrong, don't you!  What does it say after the
>>>> counter?  Ding ding ding!
>>>>
>>> More like I find your inconsistencies puzzling, verging on whinedom.
>> I already said "I" was the one to get the characters increased.  Go back
>> and read what I've stated all along.  It was about making the counter
>> clear.  What do you find inconsistent about that?
>>
>>>> 140 IS bad, but so is 250.  Not at all what I was referring to, as
>>>> usual.
>>>>
>>> ah, so maybe I should have removed one of the bads:
>>>
>>> Apple is merely bad for 140 character limit (and, btw, hasn't seen fit
>>> to increase it to 250 characters like Mozilla has) but they really
>>> nailed it on how to label their characters-left counter so I can forgive
>>> them their low character count limitation.
>>>
>> Maybe no one filed a bug on it as I did, to get it increased.
>>
>> And BTW, the counter was only for searching a topic, so I really doubt
>> someone would use MORE than 140 characters in a search, no?  Quite a bit
>> different that trying to explain clearly enough why a program isn't
>> doing what it is supposed to.  I don't see any comparison at all.
>>
>>
> If they want to do it right, up the count to 500 and display the
> characters remaining in green.  When the count goes under 100, change it
> to yellow, and when it gets to 25, change to red, and beep.  Better yet,
> if they don't want to spend a reasonable amount of time on each
> feedback, just forget the whole idea.
>

Well, that would take some actual coding. ;-)  Clearly as everyone seems
to think, they don't have time to do ANYTHING to the page.  Even if it
only means typing 20 characters into the file and saving it.


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Re: "Clueless" response

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My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
with on 11/1/2012 1:40 PM:

> On 11/1/2012 12:45 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>> with on 11/1/2012 12:33 PM:
>>> On 11/1/2012 12:27 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>>> with on 11/1/2012 11:52 AM:
>>>>> On 11/1/2012 11:16 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>>
>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>>>>> with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:
>>>>>>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded
>>>>>>> out on
>>>>>>> the keyboard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the
>>>>>>>> “makes me
>>>>>>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link
>>>>>>>> worked."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
>>>>>>> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?
>>>>> You enjoy getting it wrong, don't you!  What does it say after the
>>>>> counter?  Ding ding ding!
>>>>>
>>>> More like I find your inconsistencies puzzling, verging on whinedom.
>>> I already said "I" was the one to get the characters increased.  Go back
>>> and read what I've stated all along.  It was about making the counter
>>> clear.  What do you find inconsistent about that?
>>
>> The fact that you made no mention of the Apple 140 character limitation;
>> especially considering how much you claimed about how bad a UI it was
>> for Mozilla, perhaps?
>
> Made no mention?  I posted an image!  If I wanted to hide it, I could
> have easily done so!  "...claimed about how bad a UI it was..."?
>
Nice dodge but beside the point. I never suggested you were trying to
hide it.

>>>>> 140 IS bad, but so is 250.  Not at all what I was referring to, as
>>>>> usual.
>>>>>
>>>> ah, so maybe I should have removed one of the bads:
>>>>
>>>> Apple is merely bad for 140 character limit (and, btw, hasn't seen fit
>>>> to increase it to 250 characters like Mozilla has) but they really
>>>> nailed it on how to label their characters-left counter so I can
>>>> forgive
>>>> them their low character count limitation.
>>>>
>>> Maybe no one filed a bug on it as I did, to get it increased.
>>>
>> Hmm, if so, mightn't that suggest that your Mozilla bug was not as big
>> of a problem as you made it out to be?
>
> yawn...
>
Now you're beginning to experience my mental state when reading this
repeated thread.

>>> And BTW, the counter was only for searching a topic, so I really doubt
>>> someone would use MORE than 140 characters in a search, no?  Quite a bit
>>> different that trying to explain clearly enough why a program isn't
>>> doing what it is supposed to.  I don't see any comparison at all.
>>>
>> Whose to say? I noticed that Google Groups
>> (http://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en) has such arbitrary character
>> limitation nor the TB searchbar, for that matter.
>
> Go to the Apple site yourself and see.
>
ah, so you're claiming that since Apple has it on their site, it's by
definition all that's needed. One could say the same about Mozilla's
feedback page, too, no? The difference is, Mozilla allows you access to
users complaints and, to the best of my knowledge, you haven't done
triage on Apple's stuff.

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Re: "Clueless" response

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My bloviated meandering follows what WaltS graced us with on 11/1/2012
2:16 PM:

> On 11/01/2012 04:51 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>> On 11/1/2012 2:33 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>> On 11/1/2012 12:27 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>>> with on 11/1/2012 11:52 AM:
>>>>> On 11/1/2012 11:16 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>>
>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>>>>> with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:
>>>>>>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded
>>>>>>> out on
>>>>>>> the keyboard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the
>>>>>>>> “makes me
>>>>>>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link
>>>>>>>> worked."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
>>>>>>> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?
>>>>> You enjoy getting it wrong, don't you!  What does it say after the
>>>>> counter?  Ding ding ding!
>>>>>
>>>> More like I find your inconsistencies puzzling, verging on whinedom.
>>>
>>> I already said "I" was the one to get the characters increased.  Go back
>>> and read what I've stated all along.  It was about making the counter
>>> clear.  What do you find inconsistent about that?
>>>>
>>>>> 140 IS bad, but so is 250.  Not at all what I was referring to, as
>>>>> usual.
>>>>>
>>>> ah, so maybe I should have removed one of the bads:
>>>>
>>>> Apple is merely bad for 140 character limit (and, btw, hasn't seen fit
>>>> to increase it to 250 characters like Mozilla has) but they really
>>>> nailed it on how to label their characters-left counter so I can
>>>> forgive
>>>> them their low character count limitation.
>>>
>>> Maybe no one filed a bug on it as I did, to get it increased.
>>>
>>> And BTW, the counter was only for searching a topic, so I really doubt
>>> someone would use MORE than 140 characters in a search, no?  Quite a bit
>>> different that trying to explain clearly enough why a program isn't
>>> doing what it is supposed to.  I don't see any comparison at all.
>>>
>> If they want to do it right, up the count to 500 and display the
>> characters remaining in green.  When the count goes under 100, change it
>> to yellow, and when it gets to 25, change to red, and beep.  Better yet,
>> if they don't want to spend a reasonable amount of time on each
>> feedback, just forget the whole idea.
>
> It starts out Green, turns to Black at 50, Red when it goes into
> negative values. Quite visible to me.
>
> What is the problem?
>
+1

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Re: "Clueless" response

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On 11/1/2012 2:45 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard

> My bloviated meandering follows what WaltS graced us with on 11/1/2012
> 2:16 PM:
>> On 11/01/2012 04:51 PM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> On 11/1/2012 2:33 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>> On 11/1/2012 12:27 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>>>> with on 11/1/2012 11:52 AM:
>>>>>> On 11/1/2012 11:16 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>>>>>> with on 11/1/2012 10:41 AM:
>>>>>>>> On 10/30/2012 12:52 PM On a whim, [hidden email] pounded
>>>>>>>> out on
>>>>>>>> the keyboard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "I tried to submit this on your Product Feedback link on the
>>>>>>>>> “makes me
>>>>>>>>> sad” and your “I have an idea” and neither submit button/link
>>>>>>>>> worked."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is the way a "good" counter is done.  By who?  Apple.
>>>>>>>> http://www.ratherco.com/public/good_counter.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I thought you stated that 140 characters was bad, reAL BAD?
>>>>>> You enjoy getting it wrong, don't you!  What does it say after the
>>>>>> counter?  Ding ding ding!
>>>>>>
>>>>> More like I find your inconsistencies puzzling, verging on whinedom.
>>>> I already said "I" was the one to get the characters increased.  Go back
>>>> and read what I've stated all along.  It was about making the counter
>>>> clear.  What do you find inconsistent about that?
>>>>>> 140 IS bad, but so is 250.  Not at all what I was referring to, as
>>>>>> usual.
>>>>>>
>>>>> ah, so maybe I should have removed one of the bads:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple is merely bad for 140 character limit (and, btw, hasn't seen fit
>>>>> to increase it to 250 characters like Mozilla has) but they really
>>>>> nailed it on how to label their characters-left counter so I can
>>>>> forgive
>>>>> them their low character count limitation.
>>>> Maybe no one filed a bug on it as I did, to get it increased.
>>>>
>>>> And BTW, the counter was only for searching a topic, so I really doubt
>>>> someone would use MORE than 140 characters in a search, no?  Quite a bit
>>>> different that trying to explain clearly enough why a program isn't
>>>> doing what it is supposed to.  I don't see any comparison at all.
>>>>
>>> If they want to do it right, up the count to 500 and display the
>>> characters remaining in green.  When the count goes under 100, change it
>>> to yellow, and when it gets to 25, change to red, and beep.  Better yet,
>>> if they don't want to spend a reasonable amount of time on each
>>> feedback, just forget the whole idea.
>> It starts out Green, turns to Black at 50, Red when it goes into
>> negative values. Quite visible to me.
>>
>> What is the problem?
>>
> +1
>

-1

When someone starts typing, they're not paying attention to what is
going on the stupid UI.  Regardless of what color the number is, what
difference does it make?  Green/black/red?  So what?

A good UI doesn't need color, as Apple cleared displays.  It's simple
and perfectly defined.


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