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Hi All,

It seem to you that Mozilla is not longer taking suggestions
from its users.

I ask this because I reported

RFE: make the progress bar a different color than the background color
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1464529

11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
that go ignored.

Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?

-T
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WaltS48-9
On 4/12/19 8:06 PM, T wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> It seem to you that Mozilla is not longer taking suggestions
> from its users.
>
> I ask this because I reported
>
> RFE: make the progress bar a different color than the background color
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1464529
>
> 11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
> reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
> that go ignored.
>
> Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
> they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?
>
> -T

Just doing a quick test using Firefox 68.0a1 with the default theme on
Linux Mint shows the progress bar in green with a white background for
the door hanger.

Switching to the dark theme it appears green with a dark background.

Ah, I see the green bar in a green background using Show All Downloads
with either theme. I can determine the progress by looking at the text.

It is a Priority 3 bug.

<https://mozilla.github.io/bug-handling/triage-bugzilla>

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Re: User = Enemy ???

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> On 4/12/19 8:06 PM, T wrote:
><snip>
>> 11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
>> reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
>> that go ignored.
>>
>> Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
>> they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?
>>
><snip>
>
> It is a Priority 3 bug.
>
> <https://mozilla.github.io/bug-handling/triage-bugzilla>
>
T: the fact that it (might be - probably is) simple doesn't make
 it important. And even a simple change requires some effort by
 lots of people, on review, release, etc.

The only way this is going to get done is if it's given to a new
 contributor, e.g. marked as a good 'first  bug'. So you could
 investigate how that might be done. I don't know; perhaps
 suggesting it - politely - on the thread and providing some
 evidence that it's simple - e.g. similar bugs fixed with a
 one-line patch.

But sounding off here will not achieve it. In the unlikely event
 that anyone who could help is reading this forum, they won't have
 got past the thread title.
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On 4/12/19 11:41 PM, Dave Royal wrote:

> WaltS48 <[hidden email]> Wrote in message:
>> On 4/12/19 8:06 PM, T wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> 11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
>>> reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
>>> that go ignored.
>>>
>>> Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
>>> they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?
>>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> It is a Priority 3 bug.
>>
>> <https://mozilla.github.io/bug-handling/triage-bugzilla>
>>
> T: the fact that it (might be - probably is) simple doesn't make
>   it important. And even a simple change requires some effort by
>   lots of people, on review, release, etc.
>
> The only way this is going to get done is if it's given to a new
>   contributor, e.g. marked as a good 'first  bug'. So you could
>   investigate how that might be done. I don't know; perhaps
>   suggesting it - politely - on the thread and providing some
>   evidence that it's simple - e.g. similar bugs fixed with a
>   one-line patch.
>
> But sounding off here will not achieve it. In the unlikely event
>   that anyone who could help is reading this forum, they won't have
>   got past the thread title.
>

Software is like "Broken Glass" with crime fighting.  You
go after the little crimes and or the big ones
get out of hand.  Same with software.  If you ignore the little
problems, eventually, you get a house of cards.

Now as far as a simple change, it is a matter changing the
color code.  It is really, really simple.  But if you ignore it
and keep ignoring the little bugs, eventually you wind up
with such a mess that the big bugs become overwhelming.

If this was the only ignored little bug, it would be different,
but I am sensing a pattern.





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Re: User = Enemy ???

Hartmut Figge
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Dave Royal:

>T: the fact that it (might be - probably is) simple doesn't make
> it important. And even a simple change requires some effort by
> lots of people, on review, release, etc.

Right.

>The only way this is going to get done is if it's given to a new
> contributor, e.g. marked as a good 'first  bug'.
No. I have looked at the bug and its history. The change from normal to
enhancement should never have happened. It is a regression.

But I'm not using FF so I'm not affected. :)

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Re: User = Enemy ???

Don Spam's Reckless Son
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T wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> It seem to you that Mozilla is not longer taking suggestions
> from its users.
>
> I ask this because I reported
>
> RFE: make the progress bar a different color than the background color
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1464529
>
> 11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
> reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
> that go ignored.
>
> Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
> they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?
>
> -T

Open Office stopped updating altogether so expecting them to make an
exception for whatever your problem was is being extremely optimistic.
*Demanding* changes is also being optimistic, your special request was
assigned a low priority.  At least it was not rejected out of hand.

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WaltS48-9
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On 4/13/19 4:35 AM, T wrote:

> On 4/12/19 11:41 PM, Dave Royal wrote:
>> WaltS48 <[hidden email]> Wrote in message:
>>> On 4/12/19 8:06 PM, T wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> 11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
>>>> reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
>>>> that go ignored.
>>>>
>>>> Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
>>>> they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?
>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> It is a Priority 3 bug.
>>>
>>> <https://mozilla.github.io/bug-handling/triage-bugzilla>
>>>
>> T: the fact that it (might be - probably is) simple doesn't make
>>   it important. And even a simple change requires some effort by
>>   lots of people, on review, release, etc.
>>
>> The only way this is going to get done is if it's given to a new
>>   contributor, e.g. marked as a good 'first  bug'. So you could
>>   investigate how that might be done. I don't know; perhaps
>>   suggesting it - politely - on the thread and providing some
>>   evidence that it's simple - e.g. similar bugs fixed with a
>>   one-line patch.
>>
>> But sounding off here will not achieve it. In the unlikely event
>>   that anyone who could help is reading this forum, they won't have
>>   got past the thread title.
>>
>
> Software is like "Broken Glass" with crime fighting.  You
> go after the little crimes and or the big ones
> get out of hand.  Same with software.  If you ignore the little
> problems, eventually, you get a house of cards.
>
> Now as far as a simple change, it is a matter changing the
> color code.  It is really, really simple.  But if you ignore it
> and keep ignoring the little bugs, eventually you wind up
> with such a mess that the big bugs become overwhelming.

So write the code and submit a patch. You are allowed.

>
> If this was the only ignored little bug, it would be different,
> but I am sensing a pattern.
>
>

Can you elaborate?

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T wrote:

> On 4/12/19 11:41 PM, Dave Royal wrote:
>> WaltS48 <[hidden email]> Wrote in message:
>>> On 4/12/19 8:06 PM, T wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> 11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
>>>> reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
>>>> that go ignored.
>>>>
>>>> Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
>>>> they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?
>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> It is a Priority 3 bug.
>>>
>>> <https://mozilla.github.io/bug-handling/triage-bugzilla>
>>>
>> T: the fact that it (might be - probably is) simple doesn't make
>>   it important. And even a simple change requires some effort by
>>   lots of people, on review, release, etc.
>>
>> The only way this is going to get done is if it's given to a new
>>   contributor, e.g. marked as a good 'first  bug'. So you could
>>   investigate how that might be done. I don't know; perhaps
>>   suggesting it - politely - on the thread and providing some
>>   evidence that it's simple - e.g. similar bugs fixed with a
>>   one-line patch.
>>
>> But sounding off here will not achieve it. In the unlikely event
>>   that anyone who could help is reading this forum, they won't have
>>   got past the thread title.
>>
>
> Software is like "Broken Glass" with crime fighting.  You
> go after the little crimes and or the big ones
> get out of hand.  Same with software.  If you ignore the little
> problems, eventually, you get a house of cards.
>
> Now as far as a simple change, it is a matter changing the
> color code.  It is really, really simple.  But if you ignore it
> and keep ignoring the little bugs, eventually you wind up
> with such a mess that the big bugs become overwhelming.
>
> If this was the only ignored little bug, it would be different,
> but I am sensing a pattern.
>
userChrome.css perhaps?

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Wolf K.
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On 2019-04-12 20:06, T wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> It seem to you that Mozilla is not longer taking suggestions
> from its users.
>
> I ask this because I reported
>
> RFE: make the progress bar a different color than the background color
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1464529
>
> 11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
> reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
> that go ignored.
>
> Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
> they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?
>
> -T

Where did you post your request? Posts here are not checked by moz.

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WaltS48-9
On 4/13/19 9:16 AM, Wolf K wrote:

> On 2019-04-12 20:06, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> It seem to you that Mozilla is not longer taking suggestions
>> from its users.
>>
>> I ask this because I reported
>>
>> RFE: make the progress bar a different color than the background color
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1464529
>>
>> 11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
>> reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
>> that go ignored.
>>
>> Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
>> they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?
>>
>> -T
>
> Where did you post your request? Posts here are not checked by moz.
>

In the bug report linked in his first post which you replied to here. :)
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Big Al-3
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On 4/13/19 8:13 AM, Luis wrote:

> T wrote:
>> On 4/12/19 11:41 PM, Dave Royal wrote:
>>> WaltS48 <[hidden email]> Wrote in message:
>>>> On 4/12/19 8:06 PM, T wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> 11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
>>>>> reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
>>>>> that go ignored.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
>>>>> they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?
>>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> It is a Priority 3 bug.
>>>>
>>>> <https://mozilla.github.io/bug-handling/triage-bugzilla>
>>>>
>>> T: the fact that it (might be - probably is) simple doesn't make
>>>   it important. And even a simple change requires some effort by
>>>   lots of people, on review, release, etc.
>>>
>>> The only way this is going to get done is if it's given to a new
>>>   contributor, e.g. marked as a good 'first  bug'. So you could
>>>   investigate how that might be done. I don't know; perhaps
>>>   suggesting it - politely - on the thread and providing some
>>>   evidence that it's simple - e.g. similar bugs fixed with a
>>>   one-line patch.
>>>
>>> But sounding off here will not achieve it. In the unlikely event
>>>   that anyone who could help is reading this forum, they won't have
>>>   got past the thread title.
>>>
>>
>> Software is like "Broken Glass" with crime fighting.  You
>> go after the little crimes and or the big ones
>> get out of hand.  Same with software.  If you ignore the little
>> problems, eventually, you get a house of cards.
>>
>> Now as far as a simple change, it is a matter changing the
>> color code.  It is really, really simple.  But if you ignore it
>> and keep ignoring the little bugs, eventually you wind up
>> with such a mess that the big bugs become overwhelming.
>>
>> If this was the only ignored little bug, it would be different,
>> but I am sensing a pattern.
>>
> userChrome.css perhaps?
>
exactly.   I have these lines in my css and it's red for me.

.progress-bar {
       -moz-appearance: none ! important;
       background-color: #FF0000 !important;
      }


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On 4/13/19 5:08 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>
>> If this was the only ignored little bug, it would be different,
>> but I am sensing a pattern.
>>
>>
>
> Can you elaborate?

I have not seen them taking user input for some time now.
No tabs on he bottom with rounded edges, the one I reported,
things like that.

And it does not help Firefox that I have had to move to Brave
to purchase things on line as so may sites don't work with
Firefox: missing buttons, order that go half way though, etc.

And if you report this to Firefox, you are wasting you time.


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On 4/13/19 10:08 AM, Big Al wrote:
>> userChrome.css perhaps?
>>
> exactly.   I have these lines in my css and it's red for me.
>
> .progress-bar {
>        -moz-appearance: none ! important;
>        background-color: #FF0000 !important;
>       }

I have just moved my big download to Brave where I
can see what is going on.

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T
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On 4/13/19 4:22 AM, Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

> T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> It seem to you that Mozilla is not longer taking suggestions
>> from its users.
>>
>> I ask this because I reported
>>
>> RFE: make the progress bar a different color than the background color
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1464529
>>
>> 11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
>> reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
>> that go ignored.
>>
>> Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
>> they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?
>>
>> -T
>
> Open Office stopped updating altogether so expecting them to make an
> exception for whatever your problem was is being extremely optimistic.
> *Demanding* changes is also being optimistic, your special request was
> assigned a low priority.  At least it was not rejected out of hand.
>

Uhhhh.  I was talking about when OO was in full swing.  They
ignored all the bugs I and others posted to them.  When LibreOffice
started, they asked us for all our ignored bugs and fix them all
post haste.  LO was my hero.

OpenOffice is a tragic example of what happens to software when
you don't keep up with the little bugs.

But, now LO seems to ignore things too.

Example:
Deleting columns in a table can delete several columns if any cells in
that column are merged with other cells
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46733

And LO can't print an envelope for s***.

Firefox "seems" is ignoring the little bugs now too.  I can't
order from some webs sites.  Buttons are missing.
And on and on and so forth.  I think we are watching
Firefox start to die.



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T
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On 4/13/19 6:16 AM, Wolf K wrote:

> On 2019-04-12 20:06, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> It seem to you that Mozilla is not longer taking suggestions
>> from its users.
>>
>> I ask this because I reported
>>
>> RFE: make the progress bar a different color than the background color
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1464529
>>
>> 11 months ago and it is still an issue.  And it was a simple,
>> reasonable request.  I have seen other request (mine and others)
>> that go ignored.
>>
>> Is it just me or has Mozilla gone the way of Open Office where
>> they ignored all customer requests and bugs?  User = enemy?
>>
>> -T
>
> Where did you post your request?

Over on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org

> Posts here are not checked by moz.

I posted here because I wanted to talk openly with out running
afoulof the censors



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WaltS48-9
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On 4/13/19 7:08 PM, T wrote:

> On 4/13/19 5:08 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>
>>> If this was the only ignored little bug, it would be different,
>>> but I am sensing a pattern.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Can you elaborate?
>
> I have not seen them taking user input for some time now.
> No tabs on he bottom with rounded edges, the one I reported,
> things like that.
>
> And it does not help Firefox that I have had to move to Brave
> to purchase things on line as so may sites don't work with
> Firefox: missing buttons, order that go half way though, etc.
>
> And if you report this to Firefox, you are wasting you time.
>
>

Sorry, you feel that way.

Your enhancements might make you happy, but I don't need or want tabs on
the bottom with round edges. I'm too busy reading web site content.

Never use the Library for downloads either. The door hanger suffices if
I really have to monitor a download. Otherwise I just do something else
and check back periodically, or wait for the Download arrow to turn green.

The Firefox icon on the taskbar of Windows 10 and Linux Mint 19 also
have progress indicators when a download is in progress.

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T
On 4/13/19 4:41 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

> On 4/13/19 7:08 PM, T wrote:
>> On 4/13/19 5:08 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If this was the only ignored little bug, it would be different,
>>>> but I am sensing a pattern.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can you elaborate?
>>
>> I have not seen them taking user input for some time now.
>> No tabs on he bottom with rounded edges, the one I reported,
>> things like that.
>>
>> And it does not help Firefox that I have had to move to Brave
>> to purchase things on line as so may sites don't work with
>> Firefox: missing buttons, order that go half way though, etc.
>>
>> And if you report this to Firefox, you are wasting you time.
>>
>>
>
> Sorry, you feel that way.
>
> Your enhancements might make you happy, but I don't need or want tabs on
> the bottom with round edges. I'm too busy reading web site content.
>
> Never use the Library for downloads either. The door hanger suffices if
> I really have to monitor a download. Otherwise I just do something else
> and check back periodically, or wait for the Download arrow to turn green.
>
> The Firefox icon on the taskbar of Windows 10 and Linux Mint 19 also
> have progress indicators when a download is in progress.
>

I have FF spread out over two counties.  I have been a fan of FF for
more years than I can remember.  It is sad to see it dying.



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WaltS48-9
On 4/13/19 8:01 PM, T wrote:

> On 4/13/19 4:41 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>> On 4/13/19 7:08 PM, T wrote:
>>> On 4/13/19 5:08 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If this was the only ignored little bug, it would be different,
>>>>> but I am sensing a pattern.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you elaborate?
>>>
>>> I have not seen them taking user input for some time now.
>>> No tabs on he bottom with rounded edges, the one I reported,
>>> things like that.
>>>
>>> And it does not help Firefox that I have had to move to Brave
>>> to purchase things on line as so may sites don't work with
>>> Firefox: missing buttons, order that go half way though, etc.
>>>
>>> And if you report this to Firefox, you are wasting you time.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, you feel that way.
>>
>> Your enhancements might make you happy, but I don't need or want tabs
>> on the bottom with round edges. I'm too busy reading web site content.
>>
>> Never use the Library for downloads either. The door hanger suffices
>> if I really have to monitor a download. Otherwise I just do something
>> else and check back periodically, or wait for the Download arrow to
>> turn green.
>>
>> The Firefox icon on the taskbar of Windows 10 and Linux Mint 19 also
>> have progress indicators when a download is in progress.
>>
>
> I have FF spread out over two counties.  I have been a fan of FF for
> more years than I can remember.  It is sad to see it dying.
>
>
>

I'm using the Nightly 68.0a1 and just see it getting better.

YMMV

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On 13-Apr.-2019 20:47, WaltS48 wrote:

> On 4/13/19 8:01 PM, T wrote:
>> On 4/13/19 4:41 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>> On 4/13/19 7:08 PM, T wrote:
>>>> On 4/13/19 5:08 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this was the only ignored little bug, it would be different,
>>>>>> but I am sensing a pattern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you elaborate?
>>>>
>>>> I have not seen them taking user input for some time now.
>>>> No tabs on he bottom with rounded edges, the one I reported,
>>>> things like that.
>>>>
>>>> And it does not help Firefox that I have had to move to Brave
>>>> to purchase things on line as so may sites don't work with
>>>> Firefox: missing buttons, order that go half way though, etc.
>>>>
>>>> And if you report this to Firefox, you are wasting you time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, you feel that way.
>>>
>>> Your enhancements might make you happy, but I don't need or want tabs
>>> on the bottom with round edges. I'm too busy reading web site content.
>>>
>>> Never use the Library for downloads either. The door hanger suffices
>>> if I really have to monitor a download. Otherwise I just do something
>>> else and check back periodically, or wait for the Download arrow to
>>> turn green.
>>>
>>> The Firefox icon on the taskbar of Windows 10 and Linux Mint 19 also
>>> have progress indicators when a download is in progress.
>>>
>>
>> I have FF spread out over two counties.  I have been a fan of FF for
>> more years than I can remember.  It is sad to see it dying.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I'm using the Nightly 68.0a1 and just see it getting better.
>
> YMMV
>
Yep, you're one of the very few.
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Re: User = Enemy ???

The Real Bev
In reply to this post by WaltS48-9
On 04/13/2019 05:47 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

> On 4/13/19 8:01 PM, T wrote:
>> On 4/13/19 4:41 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>> On 4/13/19 7:08 PM, T wrote:
>>>> On 4/13/19 5:08 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this was the only ignored little bug, it would be different,
>>>>>> but I am sensing a pattern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you elaborate?
>>>>
>>>> I have not seen them taking user input for some time now.
>>>> No tabs on he bottom with rounded edges, the one I reported,
>>>> things like that.
>>>>
>>>> And it does not help Firefox that I have had to move to Brave
>>>> to purchase things on line as so may sites don't work with
>>>> Firefox: missing buttons, order that go half way though, etc.
>>>>
>>>> And if you report this to Firefox, you are wasting you time.
>>>
>>> Sorry, you feel that way.
>>>
>>> Your enhancements might make you happy, but I don't need or want tabs
>>> on the bottom with round edges. I'm too busy reading web site content.
>>>
>>> Never use the Library for downloads either. The door hanger suffices
>>> if I really have to monitor a download. Otherwise I just do something
>>> else and check back periodically, or wait for the Download arrow to
>>> turn green.
>>>
>>> The Firefox icon on the taskbar of Windows 10 and Linux Mint 19 also
>>> have progress indicators when a download is in progress.
>>>
>>
>> I have FF spread out over two counties.  I have been a fan of FF for
>> more years than I can remember.  It is sad to see it dying.
>
> I'm using the Nightly 68.0a1 and just see it getting better.

So Tab Mix Plus is back to pre-quantum capability?  Cool!

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