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Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Rimas Kudelis-4
Hi,

would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other applications
than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it would be nice to have
some app usage statistics in particular locale. For example, right now I
have no idea how many people use SeaMonkey, Lightning and even
Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having such statistics would help me
prioritize work.

Regards,
Rimas
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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Tim Babych
03/16/2012 02:07 PM, Rimas Kudelis написав(ла):

> Hi,
>
> would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other applications
> than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it would be nice to have
> some app usage statistics in particular locale. For example, right now I
> have no idea how many people use SeaMonkey, Lightning and even
> Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having such statistics would help me
> prioritize work.
>
> Regards,
> Rimas
I second that.
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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Fjoerfoks
+1

Op 16 maart 2012 13:40 schreef Tim Babych <[hidden email]> het
volgende:

> 03/16/2012 02:07 PM, Rimas Kudelis написав(ла):
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other applications
>> than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it would be nice to have
>> some app usage statistics in particular locale. For example, right now I
>> have no idea how many people use SeaMonkey, Lightning and even
>> Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having such statistics would help me
>> prioritize work.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rimas
>>
> I second that.
>
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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Merike Sell
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For Lightning you can see the overall usage at
https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/lightning/statistics/usage/languages/.

Merike

16.03.2012 14:07, Rimas Kudelis kirjutas:

> Hi,
>
> would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other applications
> than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it would be nice to have
> some app usage statistics in particular locale. For example, right now I
> have no idea how many people use SeaMonkey, Lightning and even
> Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having such statistics would help me
> prioritize work.
>
> Regards,
> Rimas
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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Justin Wood (Callek)-2
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Rimas Kudelis wrote:

> Hi,
>
> would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other applications
> than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it would be nice to have
> some app usage statistics in particular locale. For example, right now I
> have no idea how many people use SeaMonkey, Lightning and even
> Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having such statistics would help me
> prioritize work.
>
> Regards,
> Rimas

SeaMonkey is (almost) always guaranteed to be less users than TB and
Firefox...

But lets see... I don't have an easy way at present to get an
aggregation of this date, but as a *snapshot*, yesterday across all
SeaMonkey Versions (without crosschecking that it is infact an official
locale we ship):

Locale -- Unique Users
ALL    -- 140,933
en-US  --  68,339
de     --  29,598
ru     --  13,386
pl     --   6,605
fr     --   3,850
en-GB  --   3,599
it     --   2,806
cs     --   2,287
ja     --   1,719
hu     --   1,621
es-ES  --   1,537
others --  <1,000

And fwiw, this data can certainly be skewed down a bit, but its still %
wise still relatively normal usage.

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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Justin Wood (Callek)-2
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
> others --  <1,000

to be clear that is <1000 each not as a whole.

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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Rimas Kudelis-4
2012.03.16 17:31, Justin Wood (Callek) rašė:
> Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
>> others --  <1,000
>
> to be clear that is <1000 each not as a whole.

So, my locale is not in that list.

Anyway, I'd like to assume that with Firefox metrics already set up,
setting up the same thing for other applications is just a matter of
copy-paste-minorEdit. Isn't it?

Rimas

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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Rimas Kudelis-4
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2012.03.16 15:47, Merike Sell rašė:
> For Lightning you can see the overall usage at
> https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/lightning/statistics/usage/languages/.
>
>
> Merike

Thanks for this one!

Rimas
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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Justin Wood (Callek)-2
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Rimas Kudelis wrote:

> 2012.03.16 17:31, Justin Wood (Callek) rašė:
>> Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
>>> others --  <1,000
>>
>> to be clear that is <1000 each not as a whole.
>
> So, my locale is not in that list.
>
> Anyway, I'd like to assume that with Firefox metrics already set up,
> setting up the same thing for other applications is just a matter of
> copy-paste-minorEdit. Isn't it?
>

Yea it means that your locale has <1000 (daily) users in that snapshot I
grabbed.

As far as "matter of copy-paste-minorEdit" I really don't know, I
accessed a LDAP-Restricted Metrics website, did a manual query and
copy/pasted manually for each entry. I don't know of a better way for
SeaMonkey at this time.

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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Vito Smolej-3
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On 16 mar., 13:07, Rimas Kudelis <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other applications
> than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it would be nice to have
> some app usage statistics in particular locale. For example, right now I
> have no idea how many people use SeaMonkey, Lightning and even
> Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having such statistics would help me
> prioritize work.
>
> Regards,
> Rimas

I asked Messaging people for TB stats some time ago, but got no
answer.

regards

smo

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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Simon Paquet-2
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Rimas Kudelis wrote on 16. Mar 2012:

> Hi,

> would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other
> applications than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it
> would be nice to have some app usage statistics in particular
> locale. For example, right now I have no idea how many people use
> SeaMonkey, Lightning and even Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having
> such statistics would help me prioritize work.

I know that this was planned when I was still in charge of TB l10n
and Seth was still the Mozilla l10n lead. Perhaps it is a good idea
to directly email Seth's successor to get the ball rolling.

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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Chris Hofmann-3
On 3/18/12 8:00 AM, Simon Paquet wrote:

> Rimas Kudelis wrote on 16. Mar 2012:
>
>> Hi,
>
>> would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other applications
>> than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it would be nice to
>> have some app usage statistics in particular locale. For example,
>> right now I have no idea how many people use SeaMonkey, Lightning and
>> even Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having such statistics would help me
>> prioritize work.
>
> I know that this was planned when I was still in charge of TB l10n
> and Seth was still the Mozilla l10n lead. Perhaps it is a good idea
> to directly email Seth's successor to get the ball rolling.
>

I'm seth's replacement (if such a thing is possible ;-)

Does anyone know if a metrics bug is on file for this.   Probably makes
sense to add these numbers (where available) to the weekly metrics reports.

-chofmann
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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Gen Kanai-2


On 3/19/12 2:41 AM, chris hofmann wrote:

> On 3/18/12 8:00 AM, Simon Paquet wrote:
>> Rimas Kudelis wrote on 16. Mar 2012:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other applications
>>> than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it would be nice to
>>> have some app usage statistics in particular locale. For example,
>>> right now I have no idea how many people use SeaMonkey, Lightning and
>>> even Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having such statistics would help me
>>> prioritize work.
>> I know that this was planned when I was still in charge of TB l10n
>> and Seth was still the Mozilla l10n lead. Perhaps it is a good idea
>> to directly email Seth's successor to get the ball rolling.
>>
> I'm seth's replacement (if such a thing is possible ;-)
>
> Does anyone know if a metrics bug is on file for this.   Probably makes
> sense to add these numbers (where available) to the weekly metrics reports.
>
I doubt there is such a bug. deinspanjer or Pedro would know.

My preference would be to have separate reports for separate apps
instead of folding in metrics for all apps into one report.

Gen

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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Chris Hofmann-3
On 3/18/12 10:26 PM, Gen Kanai wrote:

>
> On 3/19/12 2:41 AM, chris hofmann wrote:
>> On 3/18/12 8:00 AM, Simon Paquet wrote:
>>> Rimas Kudelis wrote on 16. Mar 2012:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other applications
>>>> than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it would be nice to
>>>> have some app usage statistics in particular locale. For example,
>>>> right now I have no idea how many people use SeaMonkey, Lightning and
>>>> even Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having such statistics would help me
>>>> prioritize work.
>>> I know that this was planned when I was still in charge of TB l10n
>>> and Seth was still the Mozilla l10n lead. Perhaps it is a good idea
>>> to directly email Seth's successor to get the ball rolling.
>>>
>> I'm seth's replacement (if such a thing is possible ;-)
>>
>> Does anyone know if a metrics bug is on file for this.   Probably makes
>> sense to add these numbers (where available) to the weekly metrics reports.
>>
> I doubt there is such a bug. deinspanjer or Pedro would know.
>
> My preference would be to have separate reports for separate apps
> instead of folding in metrics for all apps into one report.
>
> Gen
>
The reason that I suggested a single report is for helping to sort out
localizers to sort out and set priorities.  Multiple reports makes that
task harder.

Are there other reasons for the reports?

-chofmann
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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Michael Bauer-11
You mean for wanting them product-by-product for a locale? Yes, it
allows you to judge if you need to push a particular product. If you
knew that, say, 20,000 people use Fx in your locale but only 23 use Tb,
then that raises questions over why that is, what you can do about it
and if there's any point in continuing Tb for your locale. At the
moment, we only know the figure for Fx but we have little idea about the
other products - and I suspect the figures aren't necessarily what we
think.

For example, I discovered that about 4 times as many people use the Fx
spellchecker for Gaelic compared to people who use the browser in Gaelic
which was very unexpected. I've since figured why but I would have never
guessed without the figures. Data is always good.

Michael

19/03/2012 14:42, sgrìobh chris hofmann:
> The reason that I suggested a single report is for helping to sort out
> localizers to sort out and set priorities.  Multiple reports makes
> that task harder.
>
> Are there other reasons for the reports?
>
> -chofmann

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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Rimas Kudelis
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2012.03.19 16:42, chris hofmann rašė:

> On 3/18/12 10:26 PM, Gen Kanai wrote:
>>
>> On 3/19/12 2:41 AM, chris hofmann wrote:
>>> On 3/18/12 8:00 AM, Simon Paquet wrote:
>>>> Rimas Kudelis wrote on 16. Mar 2012:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other applications
>>>>> than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it would be nice to
>>>>> have some app usage statistics in particular locale. For example,
>>>>> right now I have no idea how many people use SeaMonkey, Lightning and
>>>>> even Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having such statistics would help me
>>>>> prioritize work.
>>>> I know that this was planned when I was still in charge of TB l10n
>>>> and Seth was still the Mozilla l10n lead. Perhaps it is a good idea
>>>> to directly email Seth's successor to get the ball rolling.
>>>>
>>> I'm seth's replacement (if such a thing is possible ;-)
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if a metrics bug is on file for this. Probably makes
>>> sense to add these numbers (where available) to the weekly metrics
>>> reports.
>>>
>> I doubt there is such a bug. deinspanjer or Pedro would know.
>>
>> My preference would be to have separate reports for separate apps
>> instead of folding in metrics for all apps into one report.
>>
>> Gen
>>
> The reason that I suggested a single report is for helping to sort out
> localizers to sort out and set priorities. Multiple reports makes that
> task harder.
>
> Are there other reasons for the reports?

They could be useful for figuring out trends (e.g. how adoption of a
localized application grows/shrinks with new versions.

I personally don't care whether I'd get the report for all apps at once
or separately – I work on all of them myself now. But expectations might
differ for bigger teams where different people work on different apps.

Rimas
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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Axel Hecht
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I think Chris was asking if there are reasons to have tb be in one mail
and fx in another, instead of composing one report that includes all the
apps.

Axel

On 19.03.12 16:35, Michael Bauer wrote:

> You mean for wanting them product-by-product for a locale? Yes, it
> allows you to judge if you need to push a particular product. If you
> knew that, say, 20,000 people use Fx in your locale but only 23 use Tb,
> then that raises questions over why that is, what you can do about it
> and if there's any point in continuing Tb for your locale. At the
> moment, we only know the figure for Fx but we have little idea about the
> other products - and I suspect the figures aren't necessarily what we
> think.
>
> For example, I discovered that about 4 times as many people use the Fx
> spellchecker for Gaelic compared to people who use the browser in Gaelic
> which was very unexpected. I've since figured why but I would have never
> guessed without the figures. Data is always good.
>
> Michael
>
> 19/03/2012 14:42, sgrìobh chris hofmann:
>> The reason that I suggested a single report is for helping to sort out
>> localizers to sort out and set priorities. Multiple reports makes that
>> task harder.
>>
>> Are there other reasons for the reports?
>>
>> -chofmann
>

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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Michael Bauer-11
Ah sorry, my bad, I was skim-reading :)

Well, at the moment I get a two-page pdf. I wouldn't mind if that was
several pages longer, including Tb and whatever else my locale has.

Michael

19/03/2012 18:45, sgrìobh Axel Hecht:
> I think Chris was asking if there are reasons to have tb be in one
> mail and fx in another, instead of composing one report that includes
> all the apps.
>
> Axel

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Re: Usage statistics for other apps than Firefox

Rimas Kudelis-4
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Hi,

replying to my own old topic, I've filed a bug to hopefully get this
rolling: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878473

Rimas



2012.03.16 14:07, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

> Hi,
>
> would it be possible to set up metrics reports for other applications
> than Firefox? They don't have to be weekly, but it would be nice to have
> some app usage statistics in particular locale. For example, right now I
> have no idea how many people use SeaMonkey, Lightning and even
> Thunderbird in Lithuanian. Having such statistics would help me
> prioritize work.
>
> Regards,
> Rimas

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