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Frog-7
Hello,
I need help in understanding the process of trimming messages on a group
like this one.  I notice that I will see such things as this on trimmed
messages:

 > Frog wrote:
 >>> Buzz wrote:
 >>>>> Frog wrote:
 >>>>>>> Frog wrote:
 >>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
 >>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:
 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:

I, however, have no idea how to make this happen without my typing this
information manually at the top of my message.  I know that there must
be some automated method for making this happen as messages are being
trimmed.

My present method for access in this group is to:
--Open my Inbox-Local Folders-SeaMonkey
--Click F9
--Go to Mozilla Help in the drop down window that opens.
--Click m.general
--and the messages for this group appears.

If I want to place a question before this group, I click compose, put a
title in for my message, type my message, and click Send.

When I want to read a response, I simply click on the response to my
message.

If I want to ask further questions or respond in some fashion, I simply
click "Reply", type my questions and/or comments, and then click send.

Clearly, there is another procedure and I would like to know what that
is and how to have/set-up this this capability on my computer.

Any help, thoughts, directions, or assistance sent my way will be
greatly appreciated.

Frog.
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Re: Trimming Messages

goodwin-8
On 04/16/2012 11:36 AM, Frog wrote:
> Hello,
> I need help in understanding the process of trimming messages on a group
> like this one. I notice that I will see such things as this on trimmed
> messages:

trimmed stuff


>
> I, however, have no idea how to make this happen without my typing this
> information manually at the top of my message. I know that there must be
> some automated method for making this happen as messages are being trimmed.
>

that makes no sense

> My present method for access in this group is to:
> --Open my Inbox-Local Folders-SeaMonkey

how are you accessing newsgroups - normal NNTP doesn't use Inboxes?

> --Click F9

that just gets new msgs.

> --Go to Mozilla Help in the drop down window that opens.

In mozilla Help??

> --Click m.general
> --and the messages for this group appears.
>

more trimmed stuff.

The quote attributions are automatically generated.

Try and rephrase your question - unless its something in local folders I
don't understand, your problem explanation needs to be rephrased,
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Re: Trimming Messages

defaria
On 04/16/2012 03:23 PM, goodwin wrote:
On 04/16/2012 11:36 AM, Frog wrote:
Hello,
I need help in understanding the process of trimming messages on a group
like this one. I notice that I will see such things as this on trimmed
messages:

trimmed stuff



I, however, have no idea how to make this happen without my typing this
information manually at the top of my message. I know that there must be
some automated method for making this happen as messages are being trimmed.


that makes no sense

My present method for access in this group is to:
--Open my Inbox-Local Folders-SeaMonkey

how are you accessing newsgroups - normal NNTP doesn't use Inboxes?

--Click F9

that just gets new msgs.

--Go to Mozilla Help in the drop down window that opens.

In mozilla Help??

--Click m.general
--and the messages for this group appears.


more trimmed stuff.

The quote attributions are automatically generated.

Try and rephrase your question - unless its something in local folders I don't understand, your problem explanation needs to be rephrased,
I'm also confused. It's amazing how badly people state problems and how they seem to invent nomenclature on the fly instead of using the linga franca of the application... But I digress...

I think the OP is actually on some web site like Google Groups when he "Go to Mozilla Help". He does say "in the drop down window that opens". Also the "Click m.general" seems like he means a link.
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Re: Trimming Messages

Frog-7
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goodwin wrote:

> On 04/16/2012 11:36 AM, Frog wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I need help in understanding the process of trimming messages on a group
>> like this one. I notice that I will see such things as this on trimmed
>> messages:
>
> trimmed stuff
>
>
>>
>> I, however, have no idea how to make this happen without my typing this
>> information manually at the top of my message. I know that there must be
>> some automated method for making this happen as messages are being
>> trimmed.
>>
>
> that makes no sense

What doesn't make sense---that I only know of one way to get that
trimmed information at the top of a message or that there must be an
automated method for making this happen?
>
>> My present method for access in this group is to:
>> --Open my Inbox-Local Folders-SeaMonkey

Yes, I do everything to a point the same way I open my personal local
mail.  That is, that I have my Local Folders e-mail window open--as if I
were going to handle my personal e-mail messages.

>
> how are you accessing newsgroups - normal NNTP doesn't use Inboxes?
>
>> --Click F9
>
> that just gets new msgs.
>
>> --Go to Mozilla Help in the drop down window that opens.
>
> In mozilla Help??

The drop down window appears after clicking F9 while in the Local Folder
window.  This drop down window includes from top to bottom--"Local
Folders" with sub folders Inbox, Drafts, Sent and Trash; a second main
folder titled "Mozilla Help" includes m.s.seamonkey and m.general; and
the last folder is "news".

>
>> --Click m.general
>> --and the messages for this group appears.

The procedures that I described in my first message are exactly how I
access this group.  I do realize that the "Mozilla Help" folder in the
drop down list is a Newsgroup Account...but it is listed together in the
drop down window with my "Local Folders" account.

>>
>
> more trimmed stuff.
>
> The quote attributions are automatically generated.

How?

>
> Try and rephrase your question - unless its something in local folders I
> don't understand, your problem explanation needs to be rephrased,

I hope my response doesn't come across to you as hostile as your
response to my message came across to me.  If so, I am sorry. I am
wanting to learn and I was simply covering the procedures I presently
use to access this group and asking for help.

Frog


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Re: Trimming Messages

goodwin-8
On 04/16/2012 09:16 PM, Frog wrote:

> goodwin wrote:
>> On 04/16/2012 11:36 AM, Frog wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I need help in understanding the process of trimming messages on a group
>>> like this one. I notice that I will see such things as this on trimmed
>>> messages:
>>
>> trimmed stuff
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I, however, have no idea how to make this happen without my typing this
>>> information manually at the top of my message. I know that there must be
>>> some automated method for making this happen as messages are being
>>> trimmed.
>>>
>>
>> that makes no sense
>
> What doesn't make sense---that I only know of one way to get that
> trimmed information at the top of a message

it makes no sense because it is done automatically bu the program - what
you are referring to are attributions referring to quoted text.
if this doesn't work for you then more information is needed about your
setup.
this is the thunderbird group, not sea monkey.

  or that there must be an
> automated method for making this happen?
>>

that info is generated by the program - you can delete it or change it
at will.  you haven't said what you want it to do.

>>> My present method for access in this group is to:
>>> --Open my Inbox-Local Folders-SeaMonkey
>
> Yes, I do everything to a point the same way I open my personal local
> mail. That is, that I have my Local Folders e-mail window open--as if I
> were going to handle my personal e-mail messages.
>>

that is your email account - newsgroups are on a separate server.  If
you somehow get your news messages into local folders, I can't fathom
how, since I don't use local folders for anything and find them to be a
waste of space.
to each his own.


>> how are you accessing newsgroups - normal NNTP doesn't use Inboxes?

you didn't answer this queston...

>>
>>> --Go to Mozilla Help in the drop down window that opens.
>>
>> In mozilla Help??
>
> The drop down window appears after clicking F9 while in the Local Folder
> window. This drop down window includes from top to bottom--"Local
> Folders" with sub folders Inbox, Drafts, Sent and Trash; a second main
> folder titled "Mozilla Help" includes m.s.seamonkey and m.general; and
> the last folder is "news".
>
>>

I don't understand that - did you create those folders?

>>> --Click m.general
>>> --and the messages for this group appears.
>
> The procedures that I described in my first message are exactly how I
> access this group. I do realize that the "Mozilla Help" folder in the
> drop down list is a Newsgroup Account...but it is listed together in the
> drop down window with my "Local Folders" account.
>
>>>
>>
>> more trimmed stuff.
>>
>> The quote attributions are automatically generated.
>
> How?
>

by the program

you apparently don't want to rephrase your question - someone else here
may be able to understand your question - I don't beyond what I have
already responded.

why are you using local folders?

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Re: Trimming Messages

goodwin-8
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On 04/16/2012 08:51 PM, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> On 04/16/2012 03:23 PM, goodwin wrote:

> I think the OP is actually on some web site like Google Groups when he
> "Go to Mozilla Help".

never heard of that - he said his groups are listed under mozilla help

> He does say "in the drop down window that opens".
> Also the "Click m.general" seems like he means a link.

who knows what he means?  others here are better at reading minds than I.
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Re: Trimming Messages

defaria
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On 04/16/2012 09:16 PM, Frog wrote:
The drop down window appears after clicking F9 while in the Local Folder window....
I don't use Sea Monkey so I will bow out of trying to further instruct you except to say this, one doesn't click F9. F9 is a key on the keyboard. The term click refers to hitting either the left or right button on the mouse and does not refer to any key on your keyboard. Now unless you are using an on screen keyboard, you type f9. It's also acceptable to hit f9. But it's never described as "clicking".

Using made up nomenclature to describe things will only confuse issues and lead people astray.

After having read your revised description are you sure this "Mozilla Help" is not an RSS feed of sorts? If you right click on the words "Mozilla Help" and select Settings and then look at Server Settings, is it describing an NNTP connection? (This assumes that Sea Monkey is at all similar to Thunderbird).
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Re: Trimming Messages

Beauregard T. Shagnasty
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goodwin wrote:

> this is the thunderbird group, not sea monkey.

Data point:  this is mozilla.general

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Re: Trimming Messages

Daniel-257
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Frog wrote:

> Hello,
> I need help in understanding the process of trimming messages on a group
> like this one. I notice that I will see such things as this on trimmed
> messages:
>
>  > Frog wrote:
>  >>> Buzz wrote:
>  >>>>> Frog wrote:
>  >>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>
> I, however, have no idea how to make this happen without my typing this
> information manually at the top of my message. I know that there must be
> some automated method for making this happen as messages are being trimmed.
>
> My present method for access in this group is to:
> --Open my Inbox-Local Folders-SeaMonkey
> --Click F9
> --Go to Mozilla Help in the drop down window that opens.
> --Click m.general
> --and the messages for this group appears.
>
> If I want to place a question before this group, I click compose, put a
> title in for my message, type my message, and click Send.
>
> When I want to read a response, I simply click on the response to my
> message.
>
> If I want to ask further questions or respond in some fashion, I simply
> click "Reply", type my questions and/or comments, and then click send.
>
> Clearly, there is another procedure and I would like to know what that
> is and how to have/set-up this this capability on my computer.
>
> Any help, thoughts, directions, or assistance sent my way will be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Frog.

Hello, Frog and welcome to the mozilla.general newsgroup. This NG is for
general discussions on just about anything, although it may have
originally been meant to discuss anything Mozilla related.

As your questions are related to SeaMonkey, perhaps you should have
posted them in the mozilla.support.seamonkey group, where we were
working, but no problems, as I typed this group is for general
discussions (and does not exclude SM, in particular!!).

Now to your questions......

A1     The attributes (> Buzz wrote, etc) are inserted by SeaMonkey (in
your case) so a track can be kept of who typed what. (Note I have quoted
your original post, so SM has added the "Frog wrote" at the top of my
reply.) The actual attribution can take one of three forms, I think,
determined by a preference setting. I *think* the pref concerned might
be mailnews.quotingPrefs.version, but am not at all sure. These
preferences can be found by entering "about:config" (without the quotes)
in the Browser address bar. There is a *Warning* screen before you get
to the approx 1000 prefs, because you can muck things up bad if you just
fiddle. Maybe your preference is set to default (none inserted) where as
mine is "user set" with a value of 1.

Messages are trimmed manually, by highlighting the portion to be deleted
and then pressing the delete key.

A2     The screen you are looking at now (as you are not posing via
Google Groups) is known as the "Mail & Newsgroups" screen. If you have
it set up the same as me, the Accounts (Local Folders, any other Mail
accounts and the news servers you connect to) are listed down the left
side. When you click on any of the servers, it expands to show the
(mail) folders or newsgroups on the server. This server, which you call
"Mozilla Help", I call "Mozilla" and I sure others have other names for
it. You use "Local Folders" for your mail account, I have a separate
account (Mail) for my e-mail stuff and I use my "Local Folders" as an
archive for my old e-mails.

When you type "Clearly, there is another procedure and I would like to
know what that is and how to have/set-up this this capability on my
computer.", I don't know, apart from changing the prefs, but, as I typed
above, I'm not sure which pref it is.

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Re: Trimming Messages

Daniel-257
Daniel wrote:
> Frog wrote:

<Snip>

I just remembered that I had a link to the Mozilla knowledgebase, which
lists all the available "about:config" preferences.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries

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Re: Trimming Messages

Frog-7
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Daniel wrote:

> Frog wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I need help in understanding the process of trimming messages on a group
>> like this one. I notice that I will see such things as this on trimmed
>> messages:
>>
>> > Frog wrote:
>> >>> Buzz wrote:
>> >>>>> Frog wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>>
>> I, however, have no idea how to make this happen without my typing this
>> information manually at the top of my message. I know that there must be
>> some automated method for making this happen as messages are being
>> trimmed.
>>
>> My present method for access in this group is to:
>> --Open my Inbox-Local Folders-SeaMonkey
>> --Click F9
>> --Go to Mozilla Help in the drop down window that opens.
>> --Click m.general
>> --and the messages for this group appears.
>>
>> If I want to place a question before this group, I click compose, put a
>> title in for my message, type my message, and click Send.
>>
>> When I want to read a response, I simply click on the response to my
>> message.
>>
>> If I want to ask further questions or respond in some fashion, I simply
>> click "Reply", type my questions and/or comments, and then click send.
>>
>> Clearly, there is another procedure and I would like to know what that
>> is and how to have/set-up this this capability on my computer.
>>
>> Any help, thoughts, directions, or assistance sent my way will be
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Frog.
>
> Hello, Frog and welcome to the mozilla.general newsgroup. This NG is for
> general discussions on just about anything, although it may have
> originally been meant to discuss anything Mozilla related.
>
> As your questions are related to SeaMonkey, perhaps you should have
> posted them in the mozilla.support.seamonkey group, where we were
> working, but no problems, as I typed this group is for general
> discussions (and does not exclude SM, in particular!!).
>
> Now to your questions......
>
> A1 The attributes (> Buzz wrote, etc) are inserted by SeaMonkey (in your
> case) so a track can be kept of who typed what. (Note I have quoted your
> original post, so SM has added the "Frog wrote" at the top of my reply.)
> The actual attribution can take one of three forms, I think, determined
> by a preference setting. I *think* the pref concerned might be
> mailnews.quotingPrefs.version, but am not at all sure. These preferences
> can be found by entering "about:config" (without the quotes) in the
> Browser address bar. There is a *Warning* screen before you get to the
> approx 1000 prefs, because you can muck things up bad if you just
> fiddle. Maybe your preference is set to default (none inserted) where as
> mine is "user set" with a value of 1.
>
> Messages are trimmed manually, by highlighting the portion to be deleted
> and then pressing the delete key.
>
> A2 The screen you are looking at now (as you are not posing via Google
> Groups) is known as the "Mail & Newsgroups" screen. If you have it set
> up the same as me, the Accounts (Local Folders, any other Mail accounts
> and the news servers you connect to) are listed down the left side. When
> you click on any of the servers, it expands to show the (mail) folders
> or newsgroups on the server. This server, which you call "Mozilla Help",
> I call "Mozilla" and I sure others have other names for it. You use
> "Local Folders" for your mail account, I have a separate account (Mail)
> for my e-mail stuff and I use my "Local Folders" as an archive for my
> old e-mails.
>
> When you type "Clearly, there is another procedure and I would like to
> know what that is and how to have/set-up this this capability on my
> computer.", I don't know, apart from changing the prefs, but, as I typed
> above, I'm not sure which pref it is.
>
Thanks again for your help.

I will attempt to work my way through the above and hopefully I will be
able to trim messages soon.  Also, I did see your follow-up message this
subject.

Frog

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Mike Easter-2
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Frog wrote:

> Hello,
> I need help in understanding the process of trimming messages on a group
> like this one. I notice that I will see such things as this on trimmed
> messages:
>
>  > Frog wrote:
>  >>> Buzz wrote:
>  >>>>> Frog wrote:
>  >>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
>  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:

Those are attribution lines and the examples you have shown are the type
of attributions I prefer, namely very short ones containing Handle
wrote: without date or message-id or any cutesy elaboration.

When a news agent replies to a message, it adds an attribution line at
the top and it 'quotes' everything which was there before, including all
of the pre-existing attribution lines.

> I, however, have no idea how to make this happen without my typing
> this information manually at the top of my message. I know that there
> must be some automated method for making this happen as messages are
> beingtrimmed.

Later in this thread you replied to Daniel's message and your news agent
made a short attribution

Daniel wrote:

... which short attribution is not actually the default attribution of
Tb, but you are using SeaMonkey and maybe its default is short.  I think
I have a SeaMonkey on a Puppy LiveCD I can check.

> My present method for access in this group is to:
> --Open my Inbox-Local Folders-SeaMonkey
> --Click F9
> --Go to Mozilla Help in the drop down window that opens.
> --Click m.general
> --and the messages for this group appears.

That seems like  a strange way to get to a newsgroup.  I'll definitely
check my SeaMonkey for that.

> If I want to place a question before this group, I click compose, put a
> title in for my message, type my message, and click Send.
>
> When I want to read a response, I simply click on the response to my
> message.
>
> If I want to ask further questions or respond in some fashion, I simply
> click "Reply", type my questions and/or comments, and then click send.
>
> Clearly, there is another procedure and I would like to know what that
> is and how to have/set-up this this capability on my computer.
>
> Any help, thoughts, directions, or assistance sent my way will be
> greatly appreciated.

Booting up Puppy.

Back later.



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Mike Easter-2
Mike Easter wrote:
> Frog wrote:

>> I need help in understanding the process of trimming messages on a group
>> like this one. I notice that I will see such things as this on trimmed
>> messages:
>>
>> > Frog wrote:
>> >>> Buzz wrote:
>> >>>>> Frog wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>
> Those are attribution lines and the examples you have shown are the type
> of attributions I prefer, namely very short ones containing Handle
> wrote: without date or message-id or any cutesy elaboration.

I have just read/skimmed over the long thread between you and Daniel in
the SM group Subject: Profile problems and I see the problem.

You and Daniel were carrying on a long conversation and both of you were
replying in the fashion of what I call 'untrimmed bottom posting'.

That is, with each reply to each other, you would simply add your reply
to the bottom of whatever your agent quoted, with no trimming. Then the
other would reply in the same fashion with no trimming.

Consequently everything which had been said before in the thread which
includes all of the attribution lines remained.

Some other people don't reply in that way.  Instead, they trim every
line away to which they are not directly replying.  Such trimming might
very well trim every attribution line but one and might trim every
content line but two.  Then they would make their reply after that.

The 'conflict' between those who so trim regularly or regularly and
aggressively and those who generally prefer to bottom post untrimmed is
long-standing.  Consequently after your long string of bottom posting
untrimmed with Daniel, No-op and Paul spoke up in your thread and Daniel
started trimming.


>> My present method for access in this group is to:
>> --Open my Inbox-Local Folders-SeaMonkey
>> --Click F9
>> --Go to Mozilla Help in the drop down window that opens.
>> --Click m.general
>> --and the messages for this group appears.
>
> That seems like a strange way to get to a newsgroup. I'll definitely
> check my SeaMonkey for that.

OK. I see a SM.  That is not a good way for you to access a newsgroup.

In your SM, you can enable your layout view to show the Folder pane,
which incidentally works with F9 on my linux SM, but the F9 toggles the
folder view on and off.  I would leave it on so that you can see the Moz
news server and the .general and SM groups.

>> If I want to place a question before this group, I click compose, put a
>> title in for my message, type my message, and click Send.

It is clear from your conversation with Daniel that you are using the
newsgroup to read and reply in a newsgroup way, but you are bottom
posting untrimmed which in the example of the Profile problems thread is
ridiculous, and that is what No-Op and Paul were talking about.

>> Clearly, there is another procedure and I would like to know what that
>> is and how to have/set-up this this capability on my computer.

It is a manual trimming process, not a computer capability.

> Booting up Puppy.

The first puppy was newer and didn't use SM; now I've looked at an old
SM 1 and I have learned the default attribution is the short Handle
wrote: and that F9 toggles the Folder pane on and off.


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Re: Trimming Messages

goodwin-8
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On 04/17/2012 02:24 AM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> goodwin wrote:
>
>> this is the thunderbird group, not sea monkey.
>
> Data point:  this is mozilla.general
>
point taken
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goodwin wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> goodwin wrote:
>>
>>> this is the thunderbird group, not sea monkey.
>>
>> Data point: this is mozilla.general
>>
> point taken

... but the general issue turned out to be one for .general as opposed
to being debated in SM, since it turned out to be about trimming vs
untrimmed bottom posting.

In the case in point, that thread was sufficiently protracted that there
were 660 lines with 11 levels of attribution when Paul and NoOp 'hollered'.

It worked OK (to simply curtail the bottom posting instead of debating)
in the SM group because the bottom posters didn't resist or argue about
how valuable it was for everyone to have such a ridiculous result.


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Mike Easter wrote:

> Mike Easter wrote:
>> Frog wrote:
>
>>> I need help in understanding the process of trimming messages on a group
>>> like this one. I notice that I will see such things as this on trimmed
>>> messages:
>>>
>>> > Frog wrote:
>>> >>> Buzz wrote:
>>> >>>>> Frog wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Buzz wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frog wrote:
>>
>> Those are attribution lines and the examples you have shown are the type
>> of attributions I prefer, namely very short ones containing Handle
>> wrote: without date or message-id or any cutesy elaboration.
>
> I have just read/skimmed over the long thread between you and Daniel in
> the SM group Subject: Profile problems and I see the problem.
>
> You and Daniel were carrying on a long conversation and both of you were
> replying in the fashion of what I call 'untrimmed bottom posting'.
>
> That is, with each reply to each other, you would simply add your reply
> to the bottom of whatever your agent quoted, with no trimming. Then the
> other would reply in the same fashion with no trimming.
>
> Consequently everything which had been said before in the thread which
> includes all of the attribution lines remained.
>
> Some other people don't reply in that way. Instead, they trim every line
> away to which they are not directly replying. Such trimming might very
> well trim every attribution line but one and might trim every content
> line but two. Then they would make their reply after that.
>
> The 'conflict' between those who so trim regularly or regularly and
> aggressively and those who generally prefer to bottom post untrimmed is
> long-standing. Consequently after your long string of bottom posting
> untrimmed with Daniel, No-op and Paul spoke up in your thread and Daniel
> started trimming.
>
>
>>> My present method for access in this group is to:
>>> --Open my Inbox-Local Folders-SeaMonkey
>>> --Click F9
>>> --Go to Mozilla Help in the drop down window that opens.
>>> --Click m.general
>>> --and the messages for this group appears.
>>
>> That seems like a strange way to get to a newsgroup. I'll definitely
>> check my SeaMonkey for that.
>
> OK. I see a SM. That is not a good way for you to access a newsgroup.
>
> In your SM, you can enable your layout view to show the Folder pane,
> which incidentally works with F9 on my linux SM, but the F9 toggles the
> folder view on and off. I would leave it on so that you can see the Moz
> news server and the .general and SM groups.
>
>>> If I want to place a question before this group, I click compose, put a
>>> title in for my message, type my message, and click Send.
>
> It is clear from your conversation with Daniel that you are using the
> newsgroup to read and reply in a newsgroup way, but you are bottom
> posting untrimmed which in the example of the Profile problems thread is
> ridiculous, and that is what No-Op and Paul were talking about.
>
>>> Clearly, there is another procedure and I would like to know what that
>>> is and how to have/set-up this this capability on my computer.
>
> It is a manual trimming process, not a computer capability.
>
>> Booting up Puppy.
>
> The first puppy was newer and didn't use SM; now I've looked at an old
> SM 1 and I have learned the default attribution is the short Handle
> wrote: and that F9 toggles the Folder pane on and off.
>
>
Thanks for coming to my rescue.

I realized that No-op and Paul were on the mark about the need to trim
the messages in the exchanged you referred to.  That is what I am
attempting to understand/fix.

My problem is...how do I set up my computer to make it put the thread
information at the top of the message?  For example:
Mike Easter wrote:
 > Mike Easter wrote:
 >> Frog wrote:

I know that there must be a setting someplace that causes that to
happen.  It is my understanding that this type of information will
appear on each and every message posted, whether or trimmed.  If that is
correct, it then becomes a process of highlighting/deleting those parts
of previous messages that have nothing to do with the current message.

Bottom line---I'm looking for guidance on how to set up my computer to
make this capability available to me.  I am not a computer person and
this world I am trying to live in is not easy for me to understand.

By the way, my operating system is Windows XP Pro SP3 and my version of
SeaMonkey is 2.8.

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WaltS-3
Frog wrote:

<trimmed>

>
> My problem is...how do I set up my computer to make it put the thread
> information at the top of the message? For example:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>  > Mike Easter wrote:
>  >> Frog wrote:
>
> I know that there must be a setting someplace that causes that to
> happen. It is my understanding that this type of information will appear
> on each and every message posted, whether or trimmed. If that is
> correct, it then becomes a process of highlighting/deleting those parts
> of previous messages that have nothing to do with the current message.
>
> Bottom line---I'm looking for guidance on how to set up my computer to
> make this capability available to me. I am not a computer person and
> this world I am trying to live in is not easy for me to understand.
>
> By the way, my operating system is Windows XP Pro SP3 and my version of
> SeaMonkey is 2.8.
>
> Frog

Looks like SeaMonkey is already set up.
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Re: Trimming Messages

Jay Garcia
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On 17.04.2012 11:38, Frog wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Bottom line---I'm looking for guidance on how to set up my computer to
> make this capability available to me.  I am not a computer person and
> this world I am trying to live in is not easy for me to understand.

If you swipe-hilite just the portion of the reply you want to respond
to, when you click on reply, just that hilited text will be included and
only a new attribution will be created - none of the previous attributes
will be included in your reply.

Note: The reply above my entry was swiped-hilited from your reply. Is
this something that will help you? And this has to be manually done, not
something that can be set up automatic.

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Frog-7
Jay Garcia wrote:
> If you swipe-hilite just the portion of the reply you want to respond
> to, when you click on reply, just that hilited text will be included and
> only a new attribution will be created - none of the previous attributes
> will be included in your reply.
>
> Note: The reply above my entry was swiped-hilited from your reply. Is
> this something that will help you? And this has to be manually done, not
> something that can be set up automatic.

Thanks for helping me---this message is the first time I have been able
to make this trimming work work for me.  I do, however, have a follow up
question for you.  Suppose I want to make reference 2 or more other
messages in my response---what do I do then?

Frog

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Re: Trimming Messages

Ed Mullen-6
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Daniel wrote:

> Daniel wrote:
>> Frog wrote:
>
> <Snip>
>
> I just remembered that I had a link to the Mozilla knowledgebase, which
> lists all the available "about:config" preferences.
>
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries
>

Er, to quote ...

"This article does not contain a complete list of all preferences."

:-)

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