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Hi All,

Thunderbird Release Notes

      Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered as direct
      download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade
      from Thunderbird version 68 or earlier. A future
      release will provide updates from earlier versions.

      Add-on support: As of version 78.0, Thunderbird
      only supports MailExtensions. Your favorite add-ons
      may not have been updated for compatibility.

      At this time, users of the Enigmail Add-on should
      not update to Thunderbird 78.

They should have fixed all this stuff first before release
it.  And left it in Beta till them.

-T
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T
On 2020-07-20 14:16, T wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Thunderbird Release Notes
>
>       Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered as direct
>       download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade
>       from Thunderbird version 68 or earlier. A future
>       release will provide updates from earlier versions.
>
>       Add-on support: As of version 78.0, Thunderbird
>       only supports MailExtensions. Your favorite add-ons
>       may not have been updated for compatibility.
>
>       At this time, users of the Enigmail Add-on should
>       not update to Thunderbird 78.
>
> They should have fixed all this stuff first before release
> it.  And left it in Beta till them.
>
> -T

I downloaded both 68.10.0 and 78.0 (new installs)
to take with me to customer sites.  And commented
out the call in my updated program for Thunderbird


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Re: Thunderbird 78 is going to be a challenge!

WaltS48-12
On 7/20/20 5:22 PM, T wrote:

> On 2020-07-20 14:16, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Thunderbird Release Notes
>>
>>       Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered as direct
>>       download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade
>>       from Thunderbird version 68 or earlier. A future
>>       release will provide updates from earlier versions.
>>
>>       Add-on support: As of version 78.0, Thunderbird
>>       only supports MailExtensions. Your favorite add-ons
>>       may not have been updated for compatibility.
>>
>>       At this time, users of the Enigmail Add-on should
>>       not update to Thunderbird 78.
>>
>> They should have fixed all this stuff first before release
>> it.  And left it in Beta till them.
>>
>> -T
>
> I downloaded both 68.10.0 and 78.0 (new installs)
> to take with me to customer sites.  And commented
> out the call in my updated program for Thunderbird
>
>

Explain which updated program?

Thunderbird 68.10.0 will update to 68.11.0.

" Thunderbird does not release on specific scheduled dates, because we
ship when code is ready and tested. We roughly track (i.e. do not
strictly follow**) the ESR release schedule of Firefox. See the ESR
column of RapidRelease/Calendar."

Rapid Release Calendar
<https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar>

You also left out the section of the release notes explaining why users
of the Enigmail extension shouldn't install version 78.0. I think
"update" there is the wrong word. Although installing over 68 is an update.

"OpenPGP functionality for Thunderbird 78 is still work in progress, and
is disabled by default in the initial 78.0 release. See the wiki for how
to enable and help with testing."

Wiki <https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:OpenPGP#Testing>

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T
On 2020-07-20 16:07, WaltS48 wrote:

> On 7/20/20 5:22 PM, T wrote:
>> On 2020-07-20 14:16, T wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Thunderbird Release Notes
>>>
>>>       Thunderbird version 78.0 is only offered as direct
>>>       download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade
>>>       from Thunderbird version 68 or earlier. A future
>>>       release will provide updates from earlier versions.
>>>
>>>       Add-on support: As of version 78.0, Thunderbird
>>>       only supports MailExtensions. Your favorite add-ons
>>>       may not have been updated for compatibility.
>>>
>>>       At this time, users of the Enigmail Add-on should
>>>       not update to Thunderbird 78.
>>>
>>> They should have fixed all this stuff first before release
>>> it.  And left it in Beta till them.
>>>
>>> -T
>>
>> I downloaded both 68.10.0 and 78.0 (new installs)
>> to take with me to customer sites.  And commented
>> out the call in my updated program for Thunderbird
>>
>>
>
> Explain which updated program?
>
> Thunderbird 68.10.0 will update to 68.11.0.
>
> " Thunderbird does not release on specific scheduled dates, because we
> ship when code is ready and tested. We roughly track (i.e. do not
> strictly follow**) the ESR release schedule of Firefox. See the ESR
> column of RapidRelease/Calendar."
>
> Rapid Release Calendar
> <https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar>
>
> You also left out the section of the release notes explaining why users
> of the Enigmail extension shouldn't install version 78.0. I think
> "update" there is the wrong word. Although installing over 68 is an update.
>
> "OpenPGP functionality for Thunderbird 78 is still work in progress, and
> is disabled by default in the initial 78.0 release. See the wiki for how
> to enable and help with testing."
>
> Wiki <https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:OpenPGP#Testing>
>

It certainly should not be in the releases path!

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/78.0/





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J. P. Gilliver (John)-3
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>     Add-on support: As of version 78.0, Thunderbird
>     only supports MailExtensions. Your favorite add-ons
>     may not have been updated for compatibility.
>
>     At this time, users of the Enigmail Add-on should
>     not update to Thunderbird 78.
>
>They should have fixed all this stuff first before release
>it.  And left it in Beta till them.
>
>-T

I wouldn't get your hopes up, if the Firefox experience is anything to
go by. When they decided (for what seemed to them good reasons) they
didn't want to support a whole class of extensions, they stopped (albeit
with a few versions lag, especially the E versions), and made it quite
clear there would be no going back. They obliged the extension authors
to rewrite - a major rewrite which many did not feel inclined to do.

That was version fiftysomething of Firefox - 52 or 59, I can never
remember. (The other of those two is the last that works with XP.)

I believe it's also happened with Thunderbird once already, too.
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s|b-2
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 14:16:19 -0700, T wrote:

>       Add-on support: As of version 78.0, Thunderbird
>       only supports MailExtensions. Your favorite add-ons
>       may not have been updated for compatibility.

Why must there always be a correlation between "progress" and breaking
shit? \-: My most important add-on is LookOut (fixed version) and it
seems the programmer has already given up:

<https://github.com/TB-throwback/LookOut-fix-version/issues/65>

My employers use Outlook. Without LookOut I wouldn't be able to open any
of their  (winmail.dat) attachments.

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Dave Royal
On 21 Jul 2020 21:08:38 +0200 s|b wrote:

>[On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 14:16:19 -0700, T wrote:]
>
>[snip] My most important add-on is LookOut (fixed version) and it
>seems the programmer has already given up:
>
><https://github.com/TB-throwback/LookOut-fix-version/issues/65>
>
>My employers use Outlook. Without LookOut I wouldn't be able to open any
>of their  (winmail.dat) attachments.
>
Well, the (slightly) good news is that TNEF conversion can almost certainly
done in a web extension, so it just needs someone with the time and
motivation to convert it. And maintain it.
<https://github.com/TB-throwback/LookOut-fix-version/issues/53>

It might even be included in TB, though I doubt whether that will be soon.
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77811>

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T
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On 2020-07-21 12:08, s|b wrote:
> My employers use Outlook. Without LookOut I wouldn't be able to open any
> of their  (winmail.dat) attachments.

Worst come to worst, save the file with a ".rtf"
(rich text format) extension, then open it is
with a  text editor that understands rtf

You can always ask them to turn winmail off:


To resolve this problem, use the plain text format. To do this:

     On the Tools menu, click Options and then click Mail Format.
     In Compose in this message format, click to select Plain Text, and
then click OK.

NOTE: To send to certain recipients that use RTF format and others
recipients that use plain text format, you must set the option for the
recipient in either the Personal Address Book or the recipient's contact
record.

Use the following steps to remove the RTF format from the recipient
attribute in the Personal Address Book:

     On the Tools menu, click Address Book.
     In Show Names From, click the Personal Address Book.
     Select the addressee that you want to set as plain text, and then
click Properties on the File menu.
     In the SMTP-General tab, click to clear the Always send to this
recipient in Microsoft Exchange rich text format check box, and then
click OK.

Use the following steps to set plain text in the recipient's contact record:

     Open the recipient's record in the Contacts folder.
     Double-click the recipient's e-mail address.
     In the E-Mail Properties dialog box, click Send Plain Text only
under Internet Format.
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> Why must there always be a correlation between "progress"
> and breaking shit? \-:

It's a natural phenomenon: maximizing entropy.

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Hartdonor
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:23:49 +0200, in mozilla.general, PietB wrote:

>s|b wrote:
>> Why must there always be a correlation between "progress"
>> and breaking shit? \-:
>
>It's a natural phenomenon: maximizing entropy.
>
All I want to know is the css line to get the "dark mode" folder icons.
Anyone know? I use a userChrome.css custom theme. It uses an alternating
color line message list, which is much better than the huge field of
white message list, and does "dark mode" better than stock dark mode.

78 seems to cause significant breakage, which I'll either figure out or
ignore, but I really need those dark mode folder icons to make the
folderpane work.

I anxiously await the day when they get rid of userChrome.css entirely.
If they want to do something useful, custom themeing would be good, or at
least an alternating colored message list like it used to have. If I can
do it in css, they can offer it easily.

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WaltS48-12
On 7/23/20 9:47 AM, Hartdonor wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:23:49 +0200, in mozilla.general, PietB wrote:
>
>> s|b wrote:
>>> Why must there always be a correlation between "progress"
>>> and breaking shit? \-:
>>
>> It's a natural phenomenon: maximizing entropy.
>>
> All I want to know is the css line to get the "dark mode" folder icons.
> Anyone know? I use a userChrome.css custom theme. It uses an alternating
> color line message list, which is much better than the huge field of
> white message list, and does "dark mode" better than stock dark mode.
>
> 78 seems to cause significant breakage, which I'll either figure out or
> ignore, but I really need those dark mode folder icons to make the
> folderpane work.
>
> I anxiously await the day when they get rid of userChrome.css entirely.
> If they want to do something useful, custom themeing would be good, or at
> least an alternating colored message list like it used to have. If I can
> do it in css, they can offer it easily.
>

What are "dark mode" folder icons?

The folder icons can be colored by right clicking on the folder, choose
Properties, click the "Icon Color".

Only changes the folder outline.

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Hartdonor
On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:43:46 -0400, in mozilla.general, WaltS48 wrote:

>On 7/23/20 9:47 AM, Hartdonor wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:23:49 +0200, in mozilla.general, PietB wrote:
>>
>>> s|b wrote:
>>>> Why must there always be a correlation between "progress"
>>>> and breaking shit? \-:
>>>
>>> It's a natural phenomenon: maximizing entropy.
>>>
>> All I want to know is the css line to get the "dark mode" folder icons.
>> Anyone know? I use a userChrome.css custom theme. It uses an alternating
>> color line message list, which is much better than the huge field of
>> white message list, and does "dark mode" better than stock dark mode.
>>
>> 78 seems to cause significant breakage, which I'll either figure out or
>> ignore, but I really need those dark mode folder icons to make the
>> folderpane work.
>>
>> I anxiously await the day when they get rid of userChrome.css entirely.
>> If they want to do something useful, custom themeing would be good, or at
>> least an alternating colored message list like it used to have. If I can
>> do it in css, they can offer it easily.
>>
>
>What are "dark mode" folder icons?
>
>The folder icons can be colored by right clicking on the folder, choose
>Properties, click the "Icon Color".
>
>Only changes the folder outline.

Good enough for me. Easy. I only looked at 78 for a minute, saw theme
breakage, and immediately went back to 68.10. I didn't realize you could
easily custom color the icons. That's one hitch solved. I figured the
default icon color was light for dark mode and dark for light mode.

On a tangent, 68 was a bit of a slog to adjust to. It was a major change,
and some of my add-ons still haven't been fixed (and probably never
will). It's kind of annoying that just 10 versions, and a little less
than year, later developers are messing around under the hood again,
including more add-on breakage. I'd prefer architecture changes like this
to happen once every 5 years. There's something to be said for product
stability, especially when there's a volunteer add-on community that has
to do rewrites when the APIs change. The software engineering community
needs some form of /stare decisis/ in its philosophy. This hurts the
ecosystem, IMHO.

Walt, any idea if anyone at Thunderbird is thinking about the return of
alternating colored lines in the messagepane? Is there an add-on for it?
The endless field of white (or black) that is standard makes it hard to
sort through it all for me. I like line printer style readouts for that.

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Big Al-3
On 7/23/20 4:36 PM, this is what Hartdonor wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:43:46 -0400, in mozilla.general, WaltS48 wrote:
>
>> On 7/23/20 9:47 AM, Hartdonor wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:23:49 +0200, in mozilla.general, PietB wrote:
>>>
>>>> s|b wrote:
>>>>> Why must there always be a correlation between "progress"
>>>>> and breaking shit? \-:
>>>>
>>>> It's a natural phenomenon: maximizing entropy.
>>>>
>>> All I want to know is the css line to get the "dark mode" folder icons.
>>> Anyone know? I use a userChrome.css custom theme. It uses an alternating
>>> color line message list, which is much better than the huge field of
>>> white message list, and does "dark mode" better than stock dark mode.
>>>
>>> 78 seems to cause significant breakage, which I'll either figure out or
>>> ignore, but I really need those dark mode folder icons to make the
>>> folderpane work.
>>>
>>> I anxiously await the day when they get rid of userChrome.css entirely.
>>> If they want to do something useful, custom themeing would be good, or at
>>> least an alternating colored message list like it used to have. If I can
>>> do it in css, they can offer it easily.
>>>
>>
>> What are "dark mode" folder icons?
>>
>> The folder icons can be colored by right clicking on the folder, choose
>> Properties, click the "Icon Color".
>>
>> Only changes the folder outline.
>
> Good enough for me. Easy. I only looked at 78 for a minute, saw theme
> breakage, and immediately went back to 68.10. I didn't realize you could
> easily custom color the icons. That's one hitch solved. I figured the
> default icon color was light for dark mode and dark for light mode.
>
> On a tangent, 68 was a bit of a slog to adjust to. It was a major change,
> and some of my add-ons still haven't been fixed (and probably never
> will). It's kind of annoying that just 10 versions, and a little less
> than year, later developers are messing around under the hood again,
> including more add-on breakage. I'd prefer architecture changes like this
> to happen once every 5 years. There's something to be said for product
> stability, especially when there's a volunteer add-on community that has
> to do rewrites when the APIs change. The software engineering community
> needs some form of /stare decisis/ in its philosophy. This hurts the
> ecosystem, IMHO.
>
> Walt, any idea if anyone at Thunderbird is thinking about the return of
> alternating colored lines in the messagepane? Is there an add-on for it?
> The endless field of white (or black) that is standard makes it hard to
> sort through it all for me. I like line printer style readouts for that.
>
You can try this in a userchrome.css
I have my TB too customized with coloring and this does work on the surface but when I hover I get white on white and of course that's no
good.  Probably an issue with conflicting code in my css.
Got it from: https://www.eriwen.com/css/tweaking-thunderbirds-chrome/

/*
  * zebra-ize the folder tree
  * (alternating row background colors
  * add some minor padding
  * --------------------------------------------------------------------
  */


#folderTree > treechildren::-moz-tree-row(odd) {
    background-color:lightgreen !important;
}

/*
  * alternating row colors in the message index pane
  */
#threadTree treechildren::-moz-tree-row(odd) {
    background-color:lightgreen !important;
}

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Big Al-3
On 7/23/20 5:19 PM, this is what Big Al wrote:

> On 7/23/20 4:36 PM, this is what Hartdonor wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:43:46 -0400, in mozilla.general, WaltS48 wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/23/20 9:47 AM, Hartdonor wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:23:49 +0200, in mozilla.general, PietB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> s|b wrote:
>>>>>> Why must there always be a correlation between "progress"
>>>>>> and breaking shit? \-:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a natural phenomenon: maximizing entropy.
>>>>>
>>>> All I want to know is the css line to get the "dark mode" folder icons.
>>>> Anyone know? I use a userChrome.css custom theme. It uses an alternating
>>>> color line message list, which is much better than the huge field of
>>>> white message list, and does "dark mode" better than stock dark mode.
>>>>
>>>> 78 seems to cause significant breakage, which I'll either figure out or
>>>> ignore, but I really need those dark mode folder icons to make the
>>>> folderpane work.
>>>>
>>>> I anxiously await the day when they get rid of userChrome.css entirely.
>>>> If they want to do something useful, custom themeing would be good, or at
>>>> least an alternating colored message list like it used to have. If I can
>>>> do it in css, they can offer it easily.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What are "dark mode" folder icons?
>>>
>>> The folder icons can be colored by right clicking on the folder, choose
>>> Properties, click the "Icon Color".
>>>
>>> Only changes the folder outline.
>>
>> Good enough for me. Easy. I only looked at 78 for a minute, saw theme
>> breakage, and immediately went back to 68.10. I didn't realize you could
>> easily custom color the icons. That's one hitch solved. I figured the
>> default icon color was light for dark mode and dark for light mode.
>>
>> On a tangent, 68 was a bit of a slog to adjust to. It was a major change,
>> and some of my add-ons still haven't been fixed (and probably never
>> will). It's kind of annoying that just 10 versions, and a little less
>> than year, later developers are messing around under the hood again,
>> including more add-on breakage. I'd prefer architecture changes like this
>> to happen once every 5 years. There's something to be said for product
>> stability, especially when there's a volunteer add-on community that has
>> to do rewrites when the APIs change. The software engineering community
>> needs some form of /stare decisis/ in its philosophy. This hurts the
>> ecosystem, IMHO.
>>
>> Walt, any idea if anyone at Thunderbird is thinking about the return of
>> alternating colored lines in the messagepane? Is there an add-on for it?
>> The endless field of white (or black) that is standard makes it hard to
>> sort through it all for me. I like line printer style readouts for that.
>>
> You can try this in a userchrome.css
> I have my TB too customized with coloring and this does work on the surface but when I hover I get white on white and of course that's no
> good.  Probably an issue with conflicting code in my css.
> Got it from: https://www.eriwen.com/css/tweaking-thunderbirds-chrome/
>
> /*
>   * zebra-ize the folder tree
>   * (alternating row background colors
>   * add some minor padding
>   * --------------------------------------------------------------------
>   */
>
>
> #folderTree > treechildren::-moz-tree-row(odd) {
>        background-color:lightgreen !important;
> }
>
> /*
>   * alternating row colors in the message index pane
>   */
> #threadTree treechildren::-moz-tree-row(odd) {
>        background-color:lightgreen !important;
> }
>
Oops, wrong link:  https://silvercircle.github.io/software/user-chrome-thunderbird/
But you might see something you like.

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On 7/23/20 4:36 PM, Hartdonor wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:43:46 -0400, in mozilla.general, WaltS48 wrote:
>
>> On 7/23/20 9:47 AM, Hartdonor wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:23:49 +0200, in mozilla.general, PietB wrote:
>>>
>>>> s|b wrote:
>>>>> Why must there always be a correlation between "progress"
>>>>> and breaking shit? \-:
>>>>
>>>> It's a natural phenomenon: maximizing entropy.
>>>>
>>> All I want to know is the css line to get the "dark mode" folder icons.
>>> Anyone know? I use a userChrome.css custom theme. It uses an alternating
>>> color line message list, which is much better than the huge field of
>>> white message list, and does "dark mode" better than stock dark mode.
>>>
>>> 78 seems to cause significant breakage, which I'll either figure out or
>>> ignore, but I really need those dark mode folder icons to make the
>>> folderpane work.
>>>
>>> I anxiously await the day when they get rid of userChrome.css entirely.
>>> If they want to do something useful, custom themeing would be good, or at
>>> least an alternating colored message list like it used to have. If I can
>>> do it in css, they can offer it easily.
>>>
>>
>> What are "dark mode" folder icons?
>>
>> The folder icons can be colored by right clicking on the folder, choose
>> Properties, click the "Icon Color".
>>
>> Only changes the folder outline.
>
> Good enough for me. Easy. I only looked at 78 for a minute, saw theme
> breakage, and immediately went back to 68.10. I didn't realize you could
> easily custom color the icons. That's one hitch solved. I figured the
> default icon color was light for dark mode and dark for light mode.
>
> On a tangent, 68 was a bit of a slog to adjust to. It was a major change,
> and some of my add-ons still haven't been fixed (and probably never
> will). It's kind of annoying that just 10 versions, and a little less
> than year, later developers are messing around under the hood again,
> including more add-on breakage. I'd prefer architecture changes like this
> to happen once every 5 years. There's something to be said for product
> stability, especially when there's a volunteer add-on community that has
> to do rewrites when the APIs change. The software engineering community
> needs some form of /stare decisis/ in its philosophy. This hurts the
> ecosystem, IMHO.
>
> Walt, any idea if anyone at Thunderbird is thinking about the return of
> alternating colored lines in the messagepane? Is there an add-on for it?
> The endless field of white (or black) that is standard makes it hard to
> sort through it all for me. I like line printer style readouts for that.
>

No idea if they are thinking of returning alternating lines. Hope there
is a way to disable it if they do.

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On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:23:49 +0200, PietB wrote:

> It's a natural phenomenon: maximizing entropy.

Doesn't mean I have to like it. )-:

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> Worst come to worst, save the file with a ".rtf"
> (rich text format) extension, then open it is
> with a  text editor that understands rtf

I'll have to try that.
 
> You can always ask them to turn winmail off:

They won't know how to that; they'll have to ask the IT department and
those guys never have time. Certainly not for one person...

> To resolve this problem, use the plain text format. To do this:

Is this in TB?

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On 2020-07-26 12:57, s|b wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:11:37 -0700, T wrote:

>> To resolve this problem, use the plain text format. To do this:
>
> Is this in TB?
>

> To resolve this problem, use the plain text format. To do this:
>
>     On the Tools menu, click Options and then click Mail Format.
>     In Compose in this message format, click to select Plain Text, and then click OK.

Sorry.  I did not state that very well.
That is in Outlook
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>> You can always ask them to turn winmail off:

> They won't know how to that; they'll have to ask the IT department and
> those guys never have time. Certainly not for one person...

Oh an be careful who your ask that of.  I have
sent the request to an IT department and had
them scream that I was a criminal trying to get
them to hack their system for them.  Okay, they
sucked at their jobs, but still, you have to
protect yourself


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> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:23:49 +0200, PietB wrote:
>
>> It's a natural phenomenon: maximizing entropy.
>
> Doesn't mean I have to like it. )-:
>

I think that comes about when the programmers start
to see the user as the enemy.

Also in open source, the economic model is to
give the stuff away for free, then charge for
maintenance.  Basically they hold you hostage
if you want a bug fixed or a feature added.
In there defense, they do deserve to be paid
for what they do.

I see this a lot in RHEL, Wine, and Libre Office.
If you complain that your car wont' drive in a
straight line, the next release will include an
awesome stereo system but your card still won't
drive straight, unless you pay up.  And "entropy"
sets in.

And what individual or small business can afford
to put them on the payroll?  So only large,
well funded companies can get things fixed.

Libre Office is slowing going to hell.  Mozilla
products, even since the "cancel cultured"
(immoral and Anti American as all hell) Brendan
Eich, has been a bumpy ride.

Since Firefox is now in the single digits of
user adoption, their corporate funding will
start to shift to Blink products.




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