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Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Axel Hecht
Hi all,

this is the release plan as we have it.

There is a trademarks policy, which mscott and I set up, with some input
from Olivier (m-e sysadmin).

This release process is gonna be a lightweight test of the lessons we
learned from the fx 1.5 process.

The trademarks process is documented on
http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Thunderbird_Trademark_Review. Following it
is required for ship.

The QA minitest can be found at
http://wiki.mozilla.org/MozillaQualityAssurance:l10n_checklist.

A short timeline is freeze for locales on Dec 13th, 23:59 PST.
Mscott and I will do trademark reviews til 16th. Those bugs should be
fixed and verified until the 20st, 23:59 PST.

The good point about this is, we actually hope to be done with it this
week, if the few that are actually affected by localized URLs join in.
This week, me, Scott and Olivier are in one room, so if you get those
requests in early, this is the easiest week to fix stuff. I do suggest
that those folks who didn't localize links don't for 1.5, so it will
really be just a few locales impacted.

We'll do a limited amount of QA with Mozilla resources, please make sure
that you do a lot of community QA and document it on the wiki page.

Mscott says that up to devil lighting the tree, tb 1.5 is done, we just
need to set up the build machine to repackage the right bits, which is
happening tomorrow. I'll do a few more approvals tomorrow, too.

Then owners should sign off and report on QA on
http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Thunderbird_1.5_Sign_Offs, I, mscott and QA
will document the release process on
http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Thunderbird_1.5_Release_Status.

This is the hastely wrote wrap up of some 4hours meeting, I hope things
are clear.

More good news once I have a bit more time.

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Pavel Franc
>> The trademarks process is documented on
>> http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Thunderbird_Trademark_Review. Following it
>> is required for ship.
>
> http://www.mozilla-world.org/ab-CD/products/thunderbird/junkmail
> These URLs will be set up as redirects to your localized content if you have content you want to use here.

Are there any plans to provide any official MoCo content in near future
or is the kb.mozillazine.org content fine ?

We (Czech team) have some our localized content about TB features
(http://thunderbird.czilla.cz/proc-pouzivat/) but it is not IMHO enough
compared with kb.mozillazine.org. Since there is the possibility, I
would like definitely to point our Czech users to the Czech content.
Rather then creating new pages on our Czech server, I would like to put
them (using localized version of kb.mozillazine.org texts) directly on
MozEu server.

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Ahmet Serkan Tıratacı-2
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Two questions:

> The trademarks process is documented on
> http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Thunderbird_Trademark_Review. Following it
> is required for ship.

1. Is this all that we need to work on for Thunderbird 1.5 or should we
expect any last minute requests? I'm not asking this for allusion of any
kind, but that I take this seriously and want to make it sure that
this's all.

2. Will localisers be given mozilla-world.org/<locale> pages, which are
currently unavailabe, to be translated before release? (If so, I'll have
to change the patch [1] I created, in which I left those links as are
[mozilla.org ones].)

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317403

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Ahmet Serkan Tıratacı-2
Ahmet Serkan T?ratac? yazm??:

> 2. Will localisers be given mozilla-world.org/<locale> pages, which are
> currently unavailabe, to be translated before release? (If so, I'll have
> to change the patch [1] I created, in which I left those links as are
> [mozilla.org ones].)

I got the answer of this question from [1]:

"These URLs will be set up as redirects to your localized content if you
have content you want to use here. File a bug under the Mozilla
Localizations / Others to set up the redirect and cc [hidden email]."

[1] http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Thunderbird_Trademark_Review

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Toni Hermoso Pulido
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Al 06/12/05 04:17, En/na Axel Hecht ha escrit:

> Hi all,
>
> this is the release plan as we have it.
>
> There is a trademarks policy, which mscott and I set up, with some input
> from Olivier (m-e sysadmin).
>
> This release process is gonna be a lightweight test of the lessons we
> learned from the fx 1.5 process.
>
> The trademarks process is documented on
> http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Thunderbird_Trademark_Review. Following it
> is required for ship.
>

Hello,

Does this include startpage.extra, where there may be links to dictionaries?
For instance for Ca version:
http://lxr.mozilla.org/l10n-mozilla1.8/source/ca/mail/chrome/messenger/start.dtd


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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Axel Hecht
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Pavel Franc wrote:

>>> The trademarks process is documented on
>>> http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Thunderbird_Trademark_Review. Following
>>> it is required for ship.
>>
>> http://www.mozilla-world.org/ab-CD/products/thunderbird/junkmail
>> These URLs will be set up as redirects to your localized content if
>> you have content you want to use here.
>
> Are there any plans to provide any official MoCo content in near future
> or is the kb.mozillazine.org content fine ?
>
> We (Czech team) have some our localized content about TB features
> (http://thunderbird.czilla.cz/proc-pouzivat/) but it is not IMHO enough
> compared with kb.mozillazine.org. Since there is the possibility, I
> would like definitely to point our Czech users to the Czech content.
> Rather then creating new pages on our Czech server, I would like to put
> them (using localized version of kb.mozillazine.org texts) directly on
> MozEu server.
>

We thought about hosting that content but we don't intend to actually
have that up and running in time, so we'll only be doing redirects for now.

I'm reading "bigger picture" here with the role of m-e here, and I don't
want to push that answer out.

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Axel Hecht
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Ahmet Serkan T?ratac? wrote:

> Two questions:
>
>> The trademarks process is documented on
>> http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Thunderbird_Trademark_Review. Following
>> it is required for ship.
>
> 1. Is this all that we need to work on for Thunderbird 1.5 or should we
> expect any last minute requests? I'm not asking this for allusion of any
> kind, but that I take this seriously and want to make it sure that
> this's all.

Of course not, we had an update to the policy today, see my other follow up.

> 2. Will localisers be given mozilla-world.org/<locale> pages, which are
> currently unavailabe, to be translated before release? (If so, I'll have
> to change the patch [1] I created, in which I left those links as are
> [mozilla.org ones].)
>

We don't intend to do that. See my other "bigger picture" reply.

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Axel Hecht
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Toni Hermoso Pulido wrote:

> Al 06/12/05 04:17, En/na Axel Hecht ha escrit:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> this is the release plan as we have it.
>>
>> There is a trademarks policy, which mscott and I set up, with some
>> input from Olivier (m-e sysadmin).
>>
>> This release process is gonna be a lightweight test of the lessons we
>> learned from the fx 1.5 process.
>>
>> The trademarks process is documented on
>> http://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Thunderbird_Trademark_Review. Following
>> it is required for ship.
>>
>
> Hello,
>
> Does this include startpage.extra, where there may be links to
> dictionaries?
> For instance for Ca version:
> http://lxr.mozilla.org/l10n-mozilla1.8/source/ca/mail/chrome/messenger/start.dtd 
>

Answered in my top-level follow up.

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Axel Hecht
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Looking at the patches that came in I realized that we forgot about the
product page in start.dtd. This follows the same rule as the other
product page, that is, if you have an affiliate product page, use that.

We did another change to support, too, to get that URL in line with the
others.

mscott and I discussed the dictionary links and came to the conclusion
that the *right* fix for this is to have the xpis on umo, which we don't
care about for 1.5, so as long as those links are reasonable, we don't
bother. There is a bug filed for the umo change, and for the fixup of
the two properties pointing to the start page to actually be one.

The diff to the policy can be seen on

http://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=L10n%3AThunderbird_Trademark_Review&diff=0&oldid=14583

I'm darn sure that we dealt with all issues now.

To clarify the release a bit, the timelines are determining the locales
that we pick from for sim ship. We may have to pick a subset and I don't
really know how many of that will be. The earlier the sign-offs drop in,
the more we will make in total.

I still need to get mscott to actually repackage the right bits, AFAICT.

 From the life-cycle point of view, here is what we'll do:

mscott and I will do trademarks reviews, which will be rather easy, as
most locales didn't change the URLs at all, and most others are actually
having traction already. Which is making folks cheer here over all 4
cheeks, I can tell you that.
After that and once I post the link to the right ftp dir with the right
bits, we'll accept owner sign offs, at which point mscott will put the
latest build into a separate dir for QA, which will do some QA on it.
The QA level will be lower than for Firefox and mostly balance what I
call the "embarrassment level". The QA that has been noted in the
sign-off wiki will be part of that.
We are planning to have a QA-day for TB like we did for FF, hopefully
including l10n, which will to some extent depend on wether coop can hook
up l10n tagged tests to litmus by then. Which we hope to do, we kicked
that off in today's litmus-feature session.

After QA is done on the bits, we'll see how build/release can cope with
the load and then pick a set of locales which Chase can handle. The
picked set will be an educated guess, as we don't have good data on TB
popularity to due our own faults (yes, Chase blushed when I raised that).

We do hope to get rid of some of the mistakes we did for FF 1.5, esp by
more clearly specifying the roles of who's putting which information
where. Having a single out-of-the-loop directory for builds for QA
should cut down on the cost of QA reruns, and I' really confident that
we do much better on the trademarks review here. I did talk to both
mscott and ben and we are on the same page with getting more reason into
the URLs and automate some of those little suckers into build options in
branding, so that you don't actually have to bother about breaking them
or not. Branding/generic sounds like a good place for most of these.

We did actually make some progress in our sketch for the FF 2.0 release
including discussing a real l10n freeze (breaking this would push back
the release date, depending on impact) and a set of locales that we
don't want to release without. We did talk about publicizing some of our
data which Rafael uses to order locales, too. We did discuss on how to
be able to grow in locale numbers as well, which is going to be really
tricky and we will continue those discusssions tomorrow in a bigger circle.

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Piotr Komoda
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> If you change messenger.throbber.url, it must go to the products
> site of a Mozilla affiliate.

So, does this mean I can't direct users to www.thunderbird.pl website?

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Axel Hecht
Piotr Komoda wrote:
>> If you change messenger.throbber.url, it must go to the products site
>> of a Mozilla affiliate.
>
> So, does this mean I can't direct users to www.thunderbird.pl website?
>

Yes. It's the product page that is linked from the throbber, not the
localization project page.

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Piotr Komoda
Axel Hecht wrote:
> Yes. It's the product page that is linked from the throbber, not the
> localization project page.

I don't like this idea, I don't think it's reasonable. Just realize how
it will look:
- URL from releaseNotesURL will be redirecting to thunderbird.pl
- URLs from start.dtd will be redirecting to thunderbird.pl
- Throbber will direct users to Mozilla-Europe or Mozilla-World

Does only I see the absurdity of this?
Besides, for majority of Thunderbird users in Poland Thunderbird.pl is
the place, where they are looking for updates and product informations.
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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Marek Stepien
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 From the wiki page:
> If you localize the URLs in start.dtd
> (http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/mail/locales/en-US/chrome/messenger/start.dtd)
> for the mail start page, they must all have the form:
>
> http://www.mozilla-world.org/ab-CD/products/thunderbird/junkmail 

Shouldn't European l10ns link to mozilla-europe.org/ab-CD/blahblah instead?

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Axel Hecht
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Hi guys, the release candidate builds are now packaged from the bits
that mscott expects to be final, the builds are up here:

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/latest-mozilla1.8-1.5rc2-l10n/

I'll probably post details about the community testing day on friday.
I'm out of office all day tomorrow.

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Axel Hecht
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Marek Stepien wrote:
>  From the wiki page:
>> If you localize the URLs in start.dtd
>> (http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/mail/locales/en-US/chrome/messenger/start.dtd)
>> for the mail start page, they must all have the form:
>>
>> http://www.mozilla-world.org/ab-CD/products/thunderbird/junkmail 
>
> Shouldn't European l10ns link to mozilla-europe.org/ab-CD/blahblah instead?
>

As we only intend to set up redirects, no. This will just make the admin
part of it easier.

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Axel Hecht
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Piotr Komoda wrote:

> Axel Hecht wrote:
>> Yes. It's the product page that is linked from the throbber, not the
>> localization project page.
>
> I don't like this idea, I don't think it's reasonable. Just realize how
> it will look:
> - URL from releaseNotesURL will be redirecting to thunderbird.pl
> - URLs from start.dtd will be redirecting to thunderbird.pl
> - Throbber will direct users to Mozilla-Europe or Mozilla-World
>
> Does only I see the absurdity of this?
> Besides, for majority of Thunderbird users in Poland Thunderbird.pl is
> the place, where they are looking for updates and product informations.

Don't you see what the product page is?

"Obsurdity" is not the term helping you anywhere, surely not inside
trademarks.

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Piotr Komoda
Axel, I will change this, because I have no other option. Happily only
little percent of our users click on throbber, so this won't affect us
much, but this doesn't change the way I see it. For me it doesn't make
any sense that I must direct throbber link to mozilla-world page,
because it's Mozilla affiliate product page, while other links to
content, that should be on product page, will be redirected to, as you
named it, "localization project page" (for most of Thunderbird users in
Poland Thunderbird.pl is the product page).

Just don't take offense and please try to understand. Try to look at it
as I see it.

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Alexander Ihrig
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Axel,

please set up the redirects BEFORE the 1.5 release. We should be able to
test the redirects.

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Re: Thunderbird 1.5 Release schedule

Ville Pohjanheimo
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Axel Hecht kirjoitti:

> Marek Stepien wrote:
>>  From the wiki page:
>>> If you localize the URLs in start.dtd
>>> (http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/mail/locales/en-US/chrome/messenger/start.dtd)
>>> for the mail start page, they must all have the form:
>>>
>>> http://www.mozilla-world.org/ab-CD/products/thunderbird/junkmail 
>>
>> Shouldn't European l10ns link to mozilla-europe.org/ab-CD/blahblah
>> instead?
>>
>
> As we only intend to set up redirects, no. This will just make the admin
> part of it easier.
>
> Axel
It's not specified anywhere, so I'd like to double-check that for
locales that have only ab as their language code, the redirect will
indeed be of the form:

http://www.mozilla-world.org/ab/products/thunderbird/junkmail

I already got a patch approved with said kind of URL, but I really want
to double-check. :)


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Axel Hecht
Ville Pohjanheimo wrote:

> Axel Hecht kirjoitti:
>> Marek Stepien wrote:
>>>  From the wiki page:
>>>> If you localize the URLs in start.dtd
>>>> (http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/mail/locales/en-US/chrome/messenger/start.dtd)
>>>> for the mail start page, they must all have the form:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mozilla-world.org/ab-CD/products/thunderbird/junkmail 
>>> Shouldn't European l10ns link to mozilla-europe.org/ab-CD/blahblah
>>> instead?
>>>
>> As we only intend to set up redirects, no. This will just make the admin
>> part of it easier.
>>
>> Axel
>
> It's not specified anywhere, so I'd like to double-check that for
> locales that have only ab as their language code, the redirect will
> indeed be of the form:
>
> http://www.mozilla-world.org/ab/products/thunderbird/junkmail
>
> I already got a patch approved with said kind of URL, but I really want
> to double-check. :)
>

Yep

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