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The lost focus issue

Dave Saville-7
Sometimes FF loses the plot and you can't enter anything via the
keyboard although often paste from the mouse works. This seems to be
caused by XWP sliding focus. To get it back I usually RMB the menu
from the top left of the frame and then click in the field I wanted.

The other day I discovered by accident that focus returns if you click
*other* than in an entry field and then move the mouse to the field in
question. It is so easy to click in field you want first and that
doesn't work. It is also less mouse movement than going to the top
left of the frame. This does *not* work on dialog popups ypu still
need to click top left for those.
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Re: The lost focus issue

Dave Yeo-3
Dave Saville wrote:

> Sometimes FF loses the plot and you can't enter anything via the
> keyboard although often paste from the mouse works. This seems to be
> caused by XWP sliding focus. To get it back I usually RMB the menu
> from the top left of the frame and then click in the field I wanted.
>
> The other day I discovered by accident that focus returns if you click
> *other* than in an entry field and then move the mouse to the field in
> question. It is so easy to click in field you want first and that
> doesn't work. It is also less mouse movement than going to the top
> left of the frame. This does *not* work on dialog popups ypu still
> need to click top left for those.
>

Which version of Firefox are you using? I thought the lost focus issue
was fixed part way through 10ESR
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Re: The lost focus issue

Dave Saville-7
On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 17:46:09 UTC, Dave Yeo <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Dave Saville wrote:
> > Sometimes FF loses the plot and you can't enter anything via the
> > keyboard although often paste from the mouse works. This seems to be
> > caused by XWP sliding focus. To get it back I usually RMB the menu
> > from the top left of the frame and then click in the field I wanted.
> >
> > The other day I discovered by accident that focus returns if you click
> > *other* than in an entry field and then move the mouse to the field in
> > question. It is so easy to click in field you want first and that
> > doesn't work. It is also less mouse movement than going to the top
> > left of the frame. This does *not* work on dialog popups ypu still
> > need to click top left for those.
> >
>
> Which version of Firefox are you using? I thought the lost focus issue
> was fixed part way through 10ESR
> Dave

10.0.12

I think it got "improved" but as far as I am concerned never
completely fixed. If I turn off sliding focus there is not a problem
but I can't live without it :-)

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Re: The lost focus issue

Andreas Buchinger
Dave Saville schrieb:

> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 17:46:09 UTC, Dave Yeo <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Dave Saville wrote:
>> > Sometimes FF loses the plot and you can't enter anything via the
>> > keyboard although often paste from the mouse works. This seems to be
>> > caused by XWP sliding focus. To get it back I usually RMB the menu
>> > from the top left of the frame and then click in the field I wanted.
>> >
>> > The other day I discovered by accident that focus returns if you click
>> > *other* than in an entry field and then move the mouse to the field in
>> > question. It is so easy to click in field you want first and that
>> > doesn't work. It is also less mouse movement than going to the top
>> > left of the frame. This does *not* work on dialog popups ypu still
>> > need to click top left for those.
>> >
>>
>> Which version of Firefox are you using? I thought the lost focus issue
>> was fixed part way through 10ESR
>> Dave
>
> 10.0.12
>
> I think it got "improved" but as far as I am concerned never
> completely fixed. If I turn off sliding focus there is not a problem
> but I can't live without it :-)
>
Do you mean xworkplace sliding focus feature? If yes I've a xwpdaemon
which deactivate this feature for mozilla (Seamonkey in my case) windows.

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Re: The lost focus issue

Andreas Buchinger
Andreas Buchinger schrieb:

> Dave Saville schrieb:
>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 17:46:09 UTC, Dave Yeo <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Saville wrote:
>>> > Sometimes FF loses the plot and you can't enter anything via the
>>> > keyboard although often paste from the mouse works. This seems to be
>>> > caused by XWP sliding focus. To get it back I usually RMB the menu
>>> > from the top left of the frame and then click in the field I wanted.
>>> >
>>> > The other day I discovered by accident that focus returns if you click
>>> > *other* than in an entry field and then move the mouse to the field in
>>> > question. It is so easy to click in field you want first and that
>>> > doesn't work. It is also less mouse movement than going to the top
>>> > left of the frame. This does *not* work on dialog popups ypu still
>>> > need to click top left for those.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Which version of Firefox are you using? I thought the lost focus issue
>>> was fixed part way through 10ESR
>>> Dave
>>
>> 10.0.12
>>
>> I think it got "improved" but as far as I am concerned never
>> completely fixed. If I turn off sliding focus there is not a problem
>> but I can't live without it :-)
>>
> Do you mean xworkplace sliding focus feature? If yes I've a xwpdaemon
> which deactivate this feature for mozilla (Seamonkey in my case) windows.
>
Sorry for my 'post before reading'. You clearly said it's xwps sliding
focus.

Anyway if you want to have xwp disabled sliding focus for Mozilla
windows drop me a mail and I send you the updated xwpdaemon. If you want
someone to fix this issue in FF your best option will be opening an
issue at https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/issues

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Re: The lost focus issue

Dave Yeo-3
On 04/14/14 08:54 AM, Andreas Buchinger wrote:

> Andreas Buchinger schrieb:
>> Dave Saville schrieb:
>>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 17:46:09 UTC, Dave Yeo <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave Saville wrote:
>>>>> Sometimes FF loses the plot and you can't enter anything via the
>>>>> keyboard although often paste from the mouse works. This seems to be
>>>>> caused by XWP sliding focus. To get it back I usually RMB the menu
>>>>> from the top left of the frame and then click in the field I wanted.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other day I discovered by accident that focus returns if you click
>>>>> *other* than in an entry field and then move the mouse to the field in
>>>>> question. It is so easy to click in field you want first and that
>>>>> doesn't work. It is also less mouse movement than going to the top
>>>>> left of the frame. This does *not* work on dialog popups ypu still
>>>>> need to click top left for those.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which version of Firefox are you using? I thought the lost focus issue
>>>> was fixed part way through 10ESR
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>> 10.0.12
>>>
>>> I think it got "improved" but as far as I am concerned never
>>> completely fixed. If I turn off sliding focus there is not a problem
>>> but I can't live without it :-)
>>>
>> Do you mean xworkplace sliding focus feature? If yes I've a xwpdaemon
>> which deactivate this feature for mozilla (Seamonkey in my case) windows.
>>
> Sorry for my 'post before reading'. You clearly said it's xwps sliding
> focus.

How to enable the sliding focus on eCS 2.1?

>
> Anyway if you want to have xwp disabled sliding focus for Mozilla
> windows drop me a mail and I send you the updated xwpdaemon.

Should make it generally available and perhaps we'll add it to the README.

> If you want
> someone to fix this issue in FF your best option will be opening an
> issue at https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/issues

First would be to see if FF17ESR has the same bug
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Re: The lost focus issue

Andreas Buchinger
Dave Yeo schrieb:
> How to enable the sliding focus on eCS 2.1?

It's in the xwp mouse settings. There a tab called "Bewegung" (probably
Movement with en) ... Right click on Desktop - Xworkplace - Mouse and
you'll find it. Seems it is there since ages.

>
>>
>> Anyway if you want to have xwp disabled sliding focus for Mozilla
>> windows drop me a mail and I send you the updated xwpdaemon.
>
> Should make it generally available and perhaps we'll add it to the README.

I do not have write access to xwp svn repository. I suggested to
implement this in the xwp developer group. So far no one with write
access seems to think it's worth to add. Anyway it's a work around which
deactivates sliding focus for Mozilla windows as it does for OpenOffice
and WinOS2. Maybe the more elegant solution would be fixing Mozilla.

> First would be to see if FF17ESR has the same bug
As I run my own fixed xwp version I do not have this problem with any
Mozilla version. On the other hand seems nearly no one uses xwps sliding
focus. So maybe only a few of us do encounter this problem.

Andreas

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Re: The lost focus issue

Dave Saville-7
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 23:02:13 UTC, Dave Yeo <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> On 04/14/14 08:54 AM, Andreas Buchinger wrote:
> > Andreas Buchinger schrieb:
> >> Dave Saville schrieb:
> >>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 17:46:09 UTC, Dave Yeo <[hidden email]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dave Saville wrote:
> >>>>> Sometimes FF loses the plot and you can't enter anything via the
> >>>>> keyboard although often paste from the mouse works. This seems to be
> >>>>> caused by XWP sliding focus. To get it back I usually RMB the menu
> >>>>> from the top left of the frame and then click in the field I wanted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The other day I discovered by accident that focus returns if you click
> >>>>> *other* than in an entry field and then move the mouse to the field in
> >>>>> question. It is so easy to click in field you want first and that
> >>>>> doesn't work. It is also less mouse movement than going to the top
> >>>>> left of the frame. This does *not* work on dialog popups ypu still
> >>>>> need to click top left for those.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Which version of Firefox are you using? I thought the lost focus issue
> >>>> was fixed part way through 10ESR
> >>>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> 10.0.12
> >>>
> >>> I think it got "improved" but as far as I am concerned never
> >>> completely fixed. If I turn off sliding focus there is not a problem
> >>> but I can't live without it :-)
> >>>
> >> Do you mean xworkplace sliding focus feature? If yes I've a xwpdaemon
> >> which deactivate this feature for mozilla (Seamonkey in my case) windows.
> >>
> > Sorry for my 'post before reading'. You clearly said it's xwps sliding
> > focus.
>
> How to enable the sliding focus on eCS 2.1?
>
> >
> > Anyway if you want to have xwp disabled sliding focus for Mozilla
> > windows drop me a mail and I send you the updated xwpdaemon.
>
> Should make it generally available and perhaps we'll add it to the README.
>
> > If you want
> > someone to fix this issue in FF your best option will be opening an
> > issue at https://github.com/bitwiseworks/mozilla-os2/issues
>
> First would be to see if FF17ESR has the same bug
> Dave

For the short time I ran 17 before I got fed up with the crap
performance I *think* it did the same. However, Andi's patch on a
brief test works. Before I tried it I was thinking that as sliding
focus is off for FF then one would need to click the window anyway to
get it back. I was having to do that in any case so I thought - so
what. The difference is that with Andi's patch I can click in an entry
field and it *does* come back straight away rather than click the
background and then the entry field I want.

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Re: The lost focus issue

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On 4/15/2014 12:26 AM, Andreas Buchinger wrote:

> I do not have write access to xwp svn repository. I suggested to
> implement this in the xwp developer group. So far no one with write
> access seems to think it's worth to add. Anyway it's a work around which
> deactivates sliding focus for Mozilla windows as it does for OpenOffice
> and WinOS2. Maybe the more elegant solution would be fixing Mozilla.

An alternative to the fixed list of exceptions is to have a
user-configurable exceptions list; this is a very nice feature of Styler/2.

> On the other hand seems nearly no one uses xwps sliding
> focus. So maybe only a few of us do encounter this problem.

With some of the feature overlap between XWP and Styler/2, Styler/2 wins
because of configurable exception lists.

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I don't seem to have the Mouse settings on XWorkplace Setup object (v1.0.9). No
Mouse listed on RMB desktop/XWorkplace. Could the sliding focus setting be
somewhere else?

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Re: The lost focus issue

Paul Ratcliffe
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 08:28:13 +1200, Bob <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I don't seem to have the Mouse settings on XWorkplace Setup object (v1.0.9). No
> Mouse listed on RMB desktop/XWorkplace. Could the sliding focus setting be
> somewhere else?

It's the Movement tab on the Mouse object in the System Setup folder.
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Paul Ratcliffe
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 09:26:09 +0200, Andreas Buchinger <[hidden email]> wrote:

>>> Anyway if you want to have xwp disabled sliding focus for Mozilla
>>> windows drop me a mail and I send you the updated xwpdaemon.
>>
>> Should make it generally available and perhaps we'll add it to the README.
>
> I do not have write access to xwp svn repository. I suggested to
> implement this in the xwp developer group. So far no one with write
> access seems to think it's worth to add.

The repository has been all ****ed up for several weeks following the
enforced move from CVS at Mensys to SVN at Netlabs.

> Anyway it's a work around which
> deactivates sliding focus for Mozilla windows as it does for OpenOffice
> and WinOS2. Maybe the more elegant solution would be fixing Mozilla.

Agreed.
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Steve Wendt
On 4/15/2014 4:48 PM, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:

> The repository has been all ****ed up for several weeks following the
> enforced move from CVS at Mensys to SVN at Netlabs.

I thought they were all hosted by Mensys anyway... is this fallout from
the Mensys/XEU split?

>> deactivates sliding focus for Mozilla windows as it does for OpenOffice
>> and WinOS2. Maybe the more elegant solution would be fixing Mozilla.
>
> Agreed.

I suspect the problem is that Mozilla does not use standard PM widgets /
controls, which does make it fall into the same category as WinOS2.  I
guess the problem with OpenOffice is the Odin stuff; no idea if it's
still relevant with the newer, more native, post-1.x ports.

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Dave Yeo-3
On 04/15/14 05:32 PM, Steve Wendt wrote:
>>> deactivates sliding focus for Mozilla windows as it does for OpenOffice
>>> and WinOS2. Maybe the more elegant solution would be fixing Mozilla.
>>
>> Agreed.
>
> I suspect the problem is that Mozilla does not use standard PM widgets /
> controls, which does make it fall into the same category as WinOS2.

That is what makes it hard. Mozilla just simulates being a native app
and the widgets are complex. Rich, who seemed to know his way around
this kind of stuff, didn't have much luck fixing some of the issues.
We'll see how dmik does if he finds time. Crashes should be at the top
of the fix list.
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Dave Yeo-3
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Andreas Buchinger wrote:
> As I run my own fixed xwp version I do not have this problem with any
> Mozilla version. On the other hand seems nearly no one uses xwps sliding
> focus. So maybe only a few of us do encounter this problem

At one point Mozilla (or maybe it was Netscape) had this behaviour by
default (due to being ported from Windows) and users generally hated it
and so it was changed. I thought there was a preference to change it
back but can not find it.
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Steve Wendt
On 4/15/2014 10:03 PM, Dave Yeo wrote:

>> As I run my own fixed xwp version I do not have this problem with any
>> Mozilla version. On the other hand seems nearly no one uses xwps sliding
>> focus. So maybe only a few of us do encounter this problem
>
> At one point Mozilla (or maybe it was Netscape) had this behaviour by
> default (due to being ported from Windows) and users generally hated it
> and so it was changed. I thought there was a preference to change it
> back but can not find it.

You are probably thinking of the menus following the cursor; look for
"Menu Movement" on the Warpzilla Tips page:
http://os2news.warpstock.org/Warpzilla.html#Tips

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Andreas Schnellbacher-2
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Steve Wendt wrote:

> On 4/15/2014 4:48 PM, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>
>> The repository has been all ****ed up for several weeks following
>> the enforced move from CVS at Mensys to SVN at Netlabs.

The most interesting question is: Was the move required at this time?
Apparently Steven has not enough time to fix the archives. Maybe it's
possible to do the move later, when there's more time.

BTW: I fully understand Paul's behavior in this case.

> I thought they were all hosted by Mensys anyway...

I don't think so. netlabs.org SVN archives are on Adrian's server.
Because Mensys still uses CVS for the eCS sources and distribution
files, remaining netlabs.org CVS archives moved to Mensys.

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Paul Ratcliffe
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 17:32:16 -0700, Steve Wendt <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> The repository has been all ****ed up for several weeks following the
>> enforced move from CVS at Mensys to SVN at Netlabs.
>
> I thought they were all hosted by Mensys anyway...

They were, but not since Dec. 21st 2013. I got a fairly odd message
from Roderick on the 22nd informing me that they'd been moved (the first
I'd heard of it).

> is this fallout from the Mensys/XEU split?

I didn't know anything about that until I did a bit of reading just
now. I don't know. I guess it's possible. Nobody seems to be saying
much about what's going on.
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Paul Ratcliffe
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On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 22:12:59 +0200, Andreas Schnellbacher
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>>> The repository has been all ****ed up for several weeks following
>>> the enforced move from CVS at Mensys to SVN at Netlabs.
>
> The most interesting question is: Was the move required at this time?

No idea.

> Apparently Steven has not enough time to fix the archives. Maybe it's
> possible to do the move later, when there's more time.

Between him, Adrian and me, we have sorted it out to my satisfaction.

>> I thought they were all hosted by Mensys anyway...
>
> I don't think so. netlabs.org SVN archives are on Adrian's server.
> Because Mensys still uses CVS for the eCS sources and distribution
> files, remaining netlabs.org CVS archives moved to Mensys.

Roderick said there's a possibility that eCS will migrate to SVN
as well.
There are now no netlabs CVS archives anywhere as far as I know.
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