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Hi All,

Another one of mine that got ignored:

"Server not found" error message should check network offline state and
have a more generic "you're not connected to the internet" message if
there is no network

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478

Guess the developers don't have to field all these phone calls!

-T



 From my bug report:

--------------------------------

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c0

RFE: Please replace "server not found" with a more accurate error message.

Dear Mozilla,

I am a consultant.  I have plastered Firefox around two counties at
customer sites.

Problem: when they are not connected to the Internet (we have frequent
outages), the message they get from Firefox is "server not found".  Then
they call me angry with Firefox.  I have to explain to them that it is
probably their ISP if they can not connect to anything else.  I take *a
lot* of heat over this issue.

On the other hand, Midori say "you are not connected to the Internet".

Would you please adopt Midori's method?  If the Internet is down, state
such.  If a particular web site is down, the "server not found" then
becomes appropriate.  Since Midori is open source too, it shouldn't be
too hard to figure out.

---------------------------------------

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c2

Do you really think the average user actually reads or even comes close
to understanding the above?  I can tell you from years of personal
experience championing Firefox at my customers' sites that the exact
number that does read and understand this is Z-E-R-O.

Please implement this as a kindness to me so I don't have to keep taking
crap over it!


---------------------------------------

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c3

Today's early morning trouble call on my answering machine was "I can't
get into my computer.  It says 'Server not found'"  (Yes, I called and
explained.)

I get this kind of stuff over and over and over.  Mirodi's method of
just telling you you are not on the Internet would go so very far in
correcting the misunderstanding your error message causes.

Also, in the instance where the server is actually the problem, please
consider calling the server by name, for example, "mozilla.org not
found".  This would also remove misunderstandings.

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Re: Speaking of ignoring user input ...

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On 4/14/2019 6:24 PM, T wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Another one of mine that got ignored:
>
> "Server not found" error message should check network offline state and
> have a more generic "you're not connected to the internet" message if
> there is no network
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478
>
> Guess the developers don't have to field all these phone calls!
>
> -T
>
>
>
>  From my bug report:
>
> --------------------------------
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c0
>
> RFE: Please replace "server not found" with a more accurate error message.
>
> Dear Mozilla,
>
> I am a consultant.  I have plastered Firefox around two counties at
> customer sites.
>
> Problem: when they are not connected to the Internet (we have frequent
> outages), the message they get from Firefox is "server not found".  Then
> they call me angry with Firefox.  I have to explain to them that it is
> probably their ISP if they can not connect to anything else.  I take *a
> lot* of heat over this issue.
>
> On the other hand, Midori say "you are not connected to the Internet".
>
> Would you please adopt Midori's method?  If the Internet is down, state
> such.  If a particular web site is down, the "server not found" then
> becomes appropriate.  Since Midori is open source too, it shouldn't be
> too hard to figure out.
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c2
>
> Do you really think the average user actually reads or even comes close
> to understanding the above?  I can tell you from years of personal
> experience championing Firefox at my customers' sites that the exact
> number that does read and understand this is Z-E-R-O.
>
> Please implement this as a kindness to me so I don't have to keep taking
> crap over it!
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c3
>
> Today's early morning trouble call on my answering machine was "I can't
> get into my computer.  It says 'Server not found'"  (Yes, I called and
> explained.)
>
> I get this kind of stuff over and over and over.  Mirodi's method of
> just telling you you are not on the Internet would go so very far in
> correcting the misunderstanding your error message causes.
>
> Also, in the instance where the server is actually the problem, please
> consider calling the server by name, for example, "mozilla.org not
> found".  This would also remove misunderstandings.
>

Wait.

The users computer is connected to a server and he couldn't log into the
computer, or they are using the computer, launched Firefox and it didn't
connect to their Home page?

When not connected to the Internet I see "Server Not Found" in the tab.
Firefox has a page that displays:

"Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at www.mozilla.org.

If that address is correct, here are three other things you can try:

     Try again later.
     Check your network connection.
     If you are connected but behind a firewall, check that Nightly has
permission to access the Web."

Note the "We can’t connect to the server at www.mozilla.org."

Isn't that your request?

They could be connected to the Internet, but a router or switch between
their connection and the site could be down, or the site itself. No?

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On 4/14/19 4:04 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

> On 4/14/2019 6:24 PM, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Another one of mine that got ignored:
>>
>> "Server not found" error message should check network offline state
>> and have a more generic "you're not connected to the internet" message
>> if there is no network
>>
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478
>>
>> Guess the developers don't have to field all these phone calls!
>>
>> -T
>>
>>
>>
>>  From my bug report:
>>
>> --------------------------------
>>
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c0
>>
>> RFE: Please replace "server not found" with a more accurate error
>> message.
>>
>> Dear Mozilla,
>>
>> I am a consultant.  I have plastered Firefox around two counties at
>> customer sites.
>>
>> Problem: when they are not connected to the Internet (we have frequent
>> outages), the message they get from Firefox is "server not found".  
>> Then they call me angry with Firefox.  I have to explain to them that
>> it is probably their ISP if they can not connect to anything else.  I
>> take *a lot* of heat over this issue.
>>
>> On the other hand, Midori say "you are not connected to the Internet".
>>
>> Would you please adopt Midori's method?  If the Internet is down,
>> state such.  If a particular web site is down, the "server not found"
>> then becomes appropriate.  Since Midori is open source too, it
>> shouldn't be too hard to figure out.
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>>
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c2
>>
>> Do you really think the average user actually reads or even comes
>> close to understanding the above?  I can tell you from years of
>> personal experience championing Firefox at my customers' sites that
>> the exact number that does read and understand this is Z-E-R-O.
>>
>> Please implement this as a kindness to me so I don't have to keep
>> taking crap over it!
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>>
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c3
>>
>> Today's early morning trouble call on my answering machine was "I
>> can't get into my computer.  It says 'Server not found'"  (Yes, I
>> called and explained.)
>>
>> I get this kind of stuff over and over and over.  Mirodi's method of
>> just telling you you are not on the Internet would go so very far in
>> correcting the misunderstanding your error message causes.
>>
>> Also, in the instance where the server is actually the problem, please
>> consider calling the server by name, for example, "mozilla.org not
>> found".  This would also remove misunderstandings.
>>
>
> Wait.
>
> The users computer is connected to a server and he couldn't log into the
> computer, or they are using the computer, launched Firefox and it didn't
> connect to their Home page?
>
> When not connected to the Internet I see "Server Not Found" in the tab.
> Firefox has a page that displays:
>
> "Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.
>
> We can’t connect to the server at www.mozilla.org.
>
> If that address is correct, here are three other things you can try:
>
>      Try again later.
>      Check your network connection.
>      If you are connected but behind a firewall, check that Nightly has
> permission to access the Web."
>
> Note the "We can’t connect to the server at www.mozilla.org."
>
> Isn't that your request?
>
> They could be connected to the Internet, but a router or switch between
> their connection and the site could be down, or the site itself. No?


That message is USELESS to a common user.   You need to get to
the point with the  -->  FIRST <-- sentence.  AND BE ACCURATE!

AND REMEMBER YOUR AUDIENCE.  Hint!  It is not power users that
understand computer jargon.

If the Internet connection is down, state so.  If the actual server
is down, state that such and such can not be accessed.

"Server not found" is a STUPID message for a common user.  With
me, I have to figure out if it is the internet or the site.  Again
a STUPID message.   NO COMMON USER knows to do this!

Chrome does it, Midori does it.  Stop ignoring users input!

It sucks watching Firefox die.








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On 4/14/19 7:16 PM, T wrote:

> On 4/14/19 4:04 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>> On 4/14/2019 6:24 PM, T wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Another one of mine that got ignored:
>>>
>>> "Server not found" error message should check network offline state
>>> and have a more generic "you're not connected to the internet"
>>> message if there is no network
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478
>>>
>>> Guess the developers don't have to field all these phone calls!
>>>
>>> -T
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  From my bug report:
>>>
>>> --------------------------------
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c0
>>>
>>> RFE: Please replace "server not found" with a more accurate error
>>> message.
>>>
>>> Dear Mozilla,
>>>
>>> I am a consultant.  I have plastered Firefox around two counties at
>>> customer sites.
>>>
>>> Problem: when they are not connected to the Internet (we have
>>> frequent outages), the message they get from Firefox is "server not
>>> found". Then they call me angry with Firefox.  I have to explain to
>>> them that it is probably their ISP if they can not connect to
>>> anything else.  I take *a lot* of heat over this issue.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, Midori say "you are not connected to the Internet".
>>>
>>> Would you please adopt Midori's method?  If the Internet is down,
>>> state such.  If a particular web site is down, the "server not found"
>>> then becomes appropriate.  Since Midori is open source too, it
>>> shouldn't be too hard to figure out.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c2
>>>
>>> Do you really think the average user actually reads or even comes
>>> close to understanding the above?  I can tell you from years of
>>> personal experience championing Firefox at my customers' sites that
>>> the exact number that does read and understand this is Z-E-R-O.
>>>
>>> Please implement this as a kindness to me so I don't have to keep
>>> taking crap over it!
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c3
>>>
>>> Today's early morning trouble call on my answering machine was "I
>>> can't get into my computer.  It says 'Server not found'"  (Yes, I
>>> called and explained.)
>>>
>>> I get this kind of stuff over and over and over.  Mirodi's method of
>>> just telling you you are not on the Internet would go so very far in
>>> correcting the misunderstanding your error message causes.
>>>
>>> Also, in the instance where the server is actually the problem,
>>> please consider calling the server by name, for example, "mozilla.org
>>> not found".  This would also remove misunderstandings.
>>>
>>
>> Wait.
>>
>> The users computer is connected to a server and he couldn't log into
>> the computer, or they are using the computer, launched Firefox and it
>> didn't connect to their Home page?
>>
>> When not connected to the Internet I see "Server Not Found" in the
>> tab. Firefox has a page that displays:
>>
>> "Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.
>>
>> We can’t connect to the server at www.mozilla.org.
>>
>> If that address is correct, here are three other things you can try:
>>
>>      Try again later.
>>      Check your network connection.
>>      If you are connected but behind a firewall, check that Nightly
>> has permission to access the Web."
>>
>> Note the "We can’t connect to the server at www.mozilla.org."
>>
>> Isn't that your request?
>>
>> They could be connected to the Internet, but a router or switch
>> between their connection and the site could be down, or the site
>> itself. No?
>
>
> That message is USELESS to a common user.   You need to get to
> the point with the  -->  FIRST <-- sentence.  AND BE ACCURATE!
>
> AND REMEMBER YOUR AUDIENCE.  Hint!  It is not power users that
> understand computer jargon.
>
> If the Internet connection is down, state so.  If the actual server
> is down, state that such and such can not be accessed.
>
> "Server not found" is a STUPID message for a common user.  With
> me, I have to figure out if it is the internet or the site.  Again
> a STUPID message.   NO COMMON USER knows to do this!
>
> Chrome does it, Midori does it.  Stop ignoring users input!
>
> It sucks watching Firefox die.
>

It sucks being computer illiterate.

I don't think they can get "The Internet connection is down" to fit in a
tab and how would Firefox or Mozilla know I turned off my Wi-Fi
connection by accident.

So I intentionally turned it off and opened Firefox.
Still see "Server Not Found" in the tab and only the tab.

Basically the same message as before in the page.

"Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at forecast.weather.gov.

If that address is correct, here are three other things you can try:

     Try again later.
     Check your network connection.
     If you are connected but behind a firewall, check that Nightly has
permission to access the Web."

The "We can't connect..." is the 2nd sentence. Nowhere but in the tab
does it say "Server Not Found".

Sorry they don't read that part.

I'll test with 66.0.3 sometime.

I really don't care what Chrome does.

Wasn't there a big stink about Firefox becoming a Chrome clone.

Do we or don't we? Seems that you do.

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On 4/14/19 5:11 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

> On 4/14/19 7:16 PM, T wrote:
>> On 4/14/19 4:04 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2019 6:24 PM, T wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Another one of mine that got ignored:
>>>>
>>>> "Server not found" error message should check network offline state
>>>> and have a more generic "you're not connected to the internet"
>>>> message if there is no network
>>>>
>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478
>>>>
>>>> Guess the developers don't have to field all these phone calls!
>>>>
>>>> -T
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  From my bug report:
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c0
>>>>
>>>> RFE: Please replace "server not found" with a more accurate error
>>>> message.
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mozilla,
>>>>
>>>> I am a consultant.  I have plastered Firefox around two counties at
>>>> customer sites.
>>>>
>>>> Problem: when they are not connected to the Internet (we have
>>>> frequent outages), the message they get from Firefox is "server not
>>>> found". Then they call me angry with Firefox.  I have to explain to
>>>> them that it is probably their ISP if they can not connect to
>>>> anything else.  I take *a lot* of heat over this issue.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, Midori say "you are not connected to the Internet".
>>>>
>>>> Would you please adopt Midori's method?  If the Internet is down,
>>>> state such.  If a particular web site is down, the "server not
>>>> found" then becomes appropriate.  Since Midori is open source too,
>>>> it shouldn't be too hard to figure out.
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c2
>>>>
>>>> Do you really think the average user actually reads or even comes
>>>> close to understanding the above?  I can tell you from years of
>>>> personal experience championing Firefox at my customers' sites that
>>>> the exact number that does read and understand this is Z-E-R-O.
>>>>
>>>> Please implement this as a kindness to me so I don't have to keep
>>>> taking crap over it!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195478#c3
>>>>
>>>> Today's early morning trouble call on my answering machine was "I
>>>> can't get into my computer.  It says 'Server not found'"  (Yes, I
>>>> called and explained.)
>>>>
>>>> I get this kind of stuff over and over and over.  Mirodi's method of
>>>> just telling you you are not on the Internet would go so very far in
>>>> correcting the misunderstanding your error message causes.
>>>>
>>>> Also, in the instance where the server is actually the problem,
>>>> please consider calling the server by name, for example,
>>>> "mozilla.org not found".  This would also remove misunderstandings.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wait.
>>>
>>> The users computer is connected to a server and he couldn't log into
>>> the computer, or they are using the computer, launched Firefox and it
>>> didn't connect to their Home page?
>>>
>>> When not connected to the Internet I see "Server Not Found" in the
>>> tab. Firefox has a page that displays:
>>>
>>> "Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.
>>>
>>> We can’t connect to the server at www.mozilla.org.
>>>
>>> If that address is correct, here are three other things you can try:
>>>
>>>      Try again later.
>>>      Check your network connection.
>>>      If you are connected but behind a firewall, check that Nightly
>>> has permission to access the Web."
>>>
>>> Note the "We can’t connect to the server at www.mozilla.org."
>>>
>>> Isn't that your request?
>>>
>>> They could be connected to the Internet, but a router or switch
>>> between their connection and the site could be down, or the site
>>> itself. No?
>>
>>
>> That message is USELESS to a common user.   You need to get to
>> the point with the  -->  FIRST <-- sentence.  AND BE ACCURATE!
>>
>> AND REMEMBER YOUR AUDIENCE.  Hint!  It is not power users that
>> understand computer jargon.
>>
>> If the Internet connection is down, state so.  If the actual server
>> is down, state that such and such can not be accessed.
>>
>> "Server not found" is a STUPID message for a common user.  With
>> me, I have to figure out if it is the internet or the site.  Again
>> a STUPID message.   NO COMMON USER knows to do this!
>>
>> Chrome does it, Midori does it.  Stop ignoring users input!
>>
>> It sucks watching Firefox die.
>>
>
> It sucks being computer illiterate.
>
> I don't think they can get "The Internet connection is down" to fit in a
> tab and how would Firefox or Mozilla know I turned off my Wi-Fi
> connection by accident.
>
> So I intentionally turned it off and opened Firefox.
> Still see "Server Not Found" in the tab and only the tab.
>
> Basically the same message as before in the page.
>
> "Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.
>
> We can’t connect to the server at forecast.weather.gov.
>
> If that address is correct, here are three other things you can try:
>
>      Try again later.
>      Check your network connection.
>      If you are connected but behind a firewall, check that Nightly has
> permission to access the Web."
>
> The "We can't connect..." is the 2nd sentence. Nowhere but in the tab
> does it say "Server Not Found".
>
> Sorry they don't read that part.
>
> I'll test with 66.0.3 sometime.
>
> I really don't care what Chrome does.
>
> Wasn't there a big stink about Firefox becoming a Chrome clone.
>
> Do we or don't we? Seems that you do.


"It sucks being computer illiterate."  Well stated.  And
this is your target audience.  So deal with it.

Disconnect the Internet, message should say:
     you are not connected to the Internet

Unable to contact a particular site, message should say:
     unable to connect to [site].  Please check your spelling


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On 4/14/19 5:11 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> I really don't care what Chrome does.
>
> Wasn't there a big stink about Firefox becoming a Chrome clone.

When Google listens better to users than does an open
source project, you should take notice.  If Chrome
does something better, you should one up them.

By the way, I think Chrome stinks.  Chromium, what Chrome is
based on is so buggy, I can't use it.  But Brave really
cleaned things up and is a joy to use.  Like Firefox use
to be back when they took input from customers.

I really like Firefox.  Its sucks to see it die this way.

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On 4/15/2019 12:02 AM, T wrote:
> On 4/14/19 5:11 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>> I really don't care what Chrome does.
>>
>> Wasn't there a big stink about Firefox becoming a Chrome clone.
>
> When Google listens better to users than does an open
> source project, you should take notice.  If Chrome
> does something better, you should one up them.

I've been in lots of chrome bugs for a long time.  Response rate stinks
there as much as anywhere.  If you are seeing timely responses in
whatever chrome bugs you are looking at count yourself lucky.

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On 4/23/19 6:20 AM, Wayne wrote:

> On 4/15/2019 12:02 AM, T wrote:
>> On 4/14/19 5:11 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>> I really don't care what Chrome does.
>>>
>>> Wasn't there a big stink about Firefox becoming a Chrome clone.
>>
>> When Google listens better to users than does an open
>> source project, you should take notice.  If Chrome
>> does something better, you should one up them.
>
> I've been in lots of chrome bugs for a long time.  Response rate stinks
> there as much as anywhere.  If you are seeing timely responses in
> whatever chrome bugs you are looking at count yourself lucky.
>

I shutter whenever I have to use Chrome.  I do not
know why anyone likes it, but they do.  Its
whatever floats you boat.

For a "Blink" engine browser that is actually
responsive to user input and has a YUGE amount
of development, try Brave.

Now-a-days, which all of Firefox's problems, I install both
Firefox and Brave and tell my customer's to use Firefox
first.  If that does not work, try Brave.


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WaltS48-9
On 4/23/19 7:44 PM, T wrote:

> On 4/23/19 6:20 AM, Wayne wrote:
>> On 4/15/2019 12:02 AM, T wrote:
>>> On 4/14/19 5:11 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>> I really don't care what Chrome does.
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't there a big stink about Firefox becoming a Chrome clone.
>>>
>>> When Google listens better to users than does an open
>>> source project, you should take notice.  If Chrome
>>> does something better, you should one up them.
>>
>> I've been in lots of chrome bugs for a long time.  Response rate
>> stinks there as much as anywhere.  If you are seeing timely responses
>> in whatever chrome bugs you are looking at count yourself lucky.
>>
>
> I shutter whenever I have to use Chrome.  I do not
> know why anyone likes it, but they do.  Its
> whatever floats you boat.
>
> For a "Blink" engine browser that is actually
> responsive to user input and has a YUGE amount
> of development, try Brave.
>
> Now-a-days, which all of Firefox's problems, I install both
> Firefox and Brave and tell my customer's to use Firefox
> first.  If that does not work, try Brave.
>
>

A dissenting opinion with a few typos.

<https://websecurityandprivacy.wordpress.com/2019/04/21/why-you-should-not-ditch-firefox-for-the-brave-browser/>

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On 4/23/19 5:46 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

> On 4/23/19 7:44 PM, T wrote:
>> On 4/23/19 6:20 AM, Wayne wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2019 12:02 AM, T wrote:
>>>> On 4/14/19 5:11 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>>> I really don't care what Chrome does.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wasn't there a big stink about Firefox becoming a Chrome clone.
>>>>
>>>> When Google listens better to users than does an open
>>>> source project, you should take notice.  If Chrome
>>>> does something better, you should one up them.
>>>
>>> I've been in lots of chrome bugs for a long time.  Response rate
>>> stinks there as much as anywhere.  If you are seeing timely responses
>>> in whatever chrome bugs you are looking at count yourself lucky.
>>>
>>
>> I shutter whenever I have to use Chrome.  I do not
>> know why anyone likes it, but they do.  Its
>> whatever floats you boat.
>>
>> For a "Blink" engine browser that is actually
>> responsive to user input and has a YUGE amount
>> of development, try Brave.
>>
>> Now-a-days, which all of Firefox's problems, I install both
>> Firefox and Brave and tell my customer's to use Firefox
>> first.  If that does not work, try Brave.
>>
>>
>
> A dissenting opinion with a few typos.
>
> <https://websecurityandprivacy.wordpress.com/2019/04/21/why-you-should-not-ditch-firefox-for-the-brave-browser/>
>
>

An interesting read. Thank you!

I am not advocating anyone leave Firefox, just that there is an
alternative when Firefox fails.  I use both Brave and Firefox.

Speaking of Firefox, I use Brave now on my Cim Trak
Admin console as Firefox is a total pain in the ass.

So, if one does not work, use the other.  It always help
to have more than one tool in the toolbox, especially when
one of your cherished tools is starting to die


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Re: Speaking of ignoring user input ...

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T wrote on 24/04/2019 9:44 AM:

> On 4/23/19 6:20 AM, Wayne wrote:
>> On 4/15/2019 12:02 AM, T wrote:
>>> On 4/14/19 5:11 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>> I really don't care what Chrome does.
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't there a big stink about Firefox becoming a Chrome clone.
>>>
>>> When Google listens better to users than does an open
>>> source project, you should take notice.  If Chrome
>>> does something better, you should one up them.
>>
>> I've been in lots of chrome bugs for a long time.  Response rate
>> stinks there as much as anywhere.  If you are seeing timely responses
>> in whatever chrome bugs you are looking at count yourself lucky.
>>
>
> I shutter whenever I have to use Chrome.  I do not
> know why anyone likes it, but they do.  Its
> whatever floats you boat.

<Snip>

As most of us here would be aware .... back in the day when PC's came
with MSIE/OE pre-installed, most users were happy enough ..... so why
bother changing to something else??

For a long time now Google Chrome gets installed with a lot of other
programs ..... so why bother changing to something else??

And then there are people like us, who are individual enough, and like
something different enough and 'intelligent' enough to not just follow
the crowd!! ;-)

IMHO, of course
--
Daniel

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WaltS48 wrote:

> T wrote:
>> I shutter whenever I have to use Chrome.  I do not
>> know why anyone likes it, but they do.  Its
>> whatever floats you boat.
>>
>> For a "Blink" engine browser that is actually
>> responsive to user input and has a YUGE amount
>> of development, try Brave.
>>
>> Now-a-days, which all of Firefox's problems, I install both
>> Firefox and Brave and tell my customer's to use Firefox
>> first.  If that does not work, try Brave.
>
> A dissenting opinion with a few typos.
>
> <https://websecurityandprivacy.wordpress.com/2019/04/21/why-you-should-not-ditch-firefox-for-the-brave-browser/>

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/mozilla-firefox-to-enable-hyperlink-ping-tracking-by-default/

-p

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On 4/23/19 11:43 PM, Daniel wrote:
> For a long time now Google Chrome gets installed with a lot of other
> programs ..... so why bother changing to something else??

My customers don't even know what it is and ignore it.
I usually remove it if they don't use it.

Google is very aggressive, unethical about installing, slamming
Chrome everywhere.  But then again, they make their money off
of datg collection


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On 4/24/19 1:24 AM, PietB wrote:

> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/mozilla-firefox-to-enable-hyperlink-ping-tracking-by-default/
>
> -p
>

Uhhhhh.........
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T wrote:
> Google is very aggressive, unethical about installing, slamming
> Chrome everywhere.

Microsoft 2.0

-p

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On 4/25/19 8:46 AM, PietB wrote:
> T wrote:
>> Google is very aggressive, unethical about installing, slamming
>> Chrome everywhere.
>
> Microsoft 2.0
>
> -p
>

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE EVIL EMPIRE!

What?   What about Google?

Okay.  There can only be TWO evil empires!!!

WWWWHHHAAATTT???  I forgot Oracle ????

Okay, THERE CAN ONLY BE THREE ...

Please make it stop!!!!
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On 4/23/19 5:46 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
>> Now-a-days, which all of Firefox's problems, I install both
>> Firefox and Brave and tell my customer's to use Firefox
>> first.  If that does not work, try Brave.
>>
>>
>
> A dissenting opinion with a few typos.
>
> <https://websecurityandprivacy.wordpress.com/2019/04/21/why-you-should-not-ditch-firefox-for-the-brave-browser/>

Hi Walt,

 From the link:

      "Yes, Chromium is open source but who really maintains it?"

I see this kind of logic used all the time on SELinux.  It
was developed by the NSA, so it has to be spying on you.

Well, SELinux is open source and have been POURED over looking
for such and it is clean.  Same with Chromium.

And the same logic can be used on Firefox as well.  "Who
really maintains it?"

A bad argument all the way around.

The more I think about it, the link was just a hit piece.

-T

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