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Spam !!

Jay Garcia
Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
Who's minding this store anyways ??

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Re: Spam !!

Leonidas Jones-2
Jay Garcia wrote:
> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>

I wonder.  Seems to be hitting the SeaMonkey group particularly.

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Re: Spam !!

Irwin Greenwald-4
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On 3/13/2008 8:33 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>
>  
Not me O:-)   But I've also wondered why it isn't being caught early.

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Re: Spam !!

Leonidas Jones-2
Irwin Greenwald wrote:
> On 3/13/2008 8:33 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>>
>>  
> Not me O:-)   But I've also wondered why it isn't being caught early.
>

I've now tried forwarding to [hidden email].  Maybe that will help.

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Re: Spam !!

»Q«
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Jay Garcia <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
> Who's minding this store anyways ??

The ones I've seen have been posted through Google.  Forward their
headers to the abuse addresses for Google and for mozilla.org.
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Re: Spam !!

Blinky the Shark
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Jay Garcia wrote:
> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
> Who's minding this store anyways ??

I am...but my Google Groups filtering can't reach out to the remote
servers.  :)

Seriously, though -- I haven't seen a single spam in the groups I do
here; is it happening in all of the groups on the server?


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Re: Spam !!

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>
> I am...but my Google Groups filtering can't reach out to the remote
> servers.  :)
>
> Seriously, though -- I haven't seen a single spam in the groups I do
> here; is it happening in all of the groups on the server?

then you're not in the right groups.  So far in the SM
support and dev groups.

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Re: Spam !!

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
>>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>> I am...but my Google Groups filtering can't reach out to the remote
>> servers.  :)
>>
>> Seriously, though -- I haven't seen a single spam in the groups I do
>> here; is it happening in all of the groups on the server?
>
> then you're not in the right groups.  So far in the SM
> support and dev groups.
>

oh, spoke too soon, there they are in the TB and FF
supports.  I don't know about the devs.

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Re: Spam !!

Ken Whiton
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*-* On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:32:08 -0500,
*-* In Article [hidden email],
*-* »Q« wrote
*-* About Re: Spam !!

> Jay Garcia <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being
>> inundated with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in
>> unencumbered. Who's minding this store anyways ??

> The ones I've seen have been posted through Google.  Forward their
> headers to the abuse addresses for Google and for mozilla.org.

      I do a Whois lookup and send them to the poster's ISP too.  The
ones I saw in the TB group earlier tonight all came from:
118.175.129.141, which belongs to

netname:      totnet
descr:        TOT Public Company Limited Bangkok

with reports going to

[hidden email]

      Incidentally, is it generally sufficient to send just the
headers?  I normally send the complete post, headers and body.

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Re: Spam !!

Blinky the Shark
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
>>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>> I am...but my Google Groups filtering can't reach out to the remote
>> servers.  :)
>>
>> Seriously, though -- I haven't seen a single spam in the groups I do
>> here; is it happening in all of the groups on the server?
>
> then you're not in the right groups.  So far in the SM
> support and dev groups.

I saw Jay open the thread talking about "a lot of the support groups".
(That's still up there.)  I figured mozilla.support.firefox and
mozilla.support.thunderbird were "support groups".  Silly me.  Now you
say "SM support and dev groups". (That's still up there.)  I didn't know
support groups were dev groups.  Or that SM support was "a lot of the
support groups" like Jay's original comment addressed.


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Re: Spam !!

Blinky the Shark
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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>>>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
>>>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>>> I am...but my Google Groups filtering can't reach out to the remote
>>> servers.  :)
>>>
>>> Seriously, though -- I haven't seen a single spam in the groups I do
>>> here; is it happening in all of the groups on the server?
>> then you're not in the right groups.  So far in the SM
>> support and dev groups.
>>
>
> oh, spoke too soon, there they are in the TB and FF

Yes, you certainly did.


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Re: Spam !!

Gus Richter
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Ken Whiton wrote:

> *-* On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:32:08 -0500,
> *-* In Article [hidden email],
> *-* »Q« wrote
> *-* About Re: Spam !!
>
>> Jay Garcia <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being
>>> inundated with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in
>>> unencumbered. Who's minding this store anyways ??
>
>> The ones I've seen have been posted through Google.  Forward their
>> headers to the abuse addresses for Google and for mozilla.org.
>
>      I do a Whois lookup and send them to the poster's ISP too.  The
> ones I saw in the TB group earlier tonight all came from:
> 118.175.129.141, which belongs to
>
> netname:      totnet
> descr:        TOT Public Company Limited Bangkok
>
> with reports going to
>
> [hidden email]
>
>      Incidentally, is it generally sufficient to send just the
> headers?  I normally send the complete post, headers and body.

For virus included detection information in the header such as:
    X-pstnvirus: W32/Zhelatin.gen!eml
I simply send the header only.

For Spam I would send the header and complete mail, although if lengthy
I would trim somewhat, keep the original (for a reasonable time) and
inform them of this and ask if they would like the complete version. If
I receive no acknowledgment at all, after say a week, then I would
resend the whole thing every time.

This method has served me well for years.

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Re: Spam !!

Gus Richter
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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>>>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
>>>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>>> I am...but my Google Groups filtering can't reach out to the remote
>>> servers.  :)
>>>
>>> Seriously, though -- I haven't seen a single spam in the groups I do
>>> here; is it happening in all of the groups on the server?
>>
>> then you're not in the right groups.  So far in the SM support *and* dev
>> groups.
>
> I saw Jay open the thread talking about "a lot of the support groups".
> (That's still up there.)  I figured mozilla.support.firefox and
> mozilla.support.thunderbird were "support groups".  Silly me.

Not silly you at all. You were right, m.s.... indicates "support" group.

> Now you
> say "SM support and dev groups". (That's still up there.)  I didn't know
> support groups were dev groups.

They're not -  m.d....  indicates "developer" group.

> Or that SM support was "a lot of the
> support groups" like Jay's original comment addressed.

He did no such thing. Peter the Hippo did and as bolded above he said
*and* and did not say that it *was*. This time it is "silly you".

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Re: Spam !!

Jay Garcia
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On 13.03.2008 23:32, »Q« wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Jay Garcia <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>
> The ones I've seen have been posted through Google.  Forward their
> headers to the abuse addresses for Google and for mozilla.org.

Been there did that.

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Re: Spam !!

Jay Garcia
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On 14.03.2008 00:43, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
>>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>>
>> I am...but my Google Groups filtering can't reach out to the remote
>> servers.  :)
>>
>> Seriously, though -- I haven't seen a single spam in the groups I do
>> here; is it happening in all of the groups on the server?
>
> then you're not in the right groups.  So far in the SM
> support and dev groups.
>

TB group is getting it's immense share as well.


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Re: Spam !!

Jay Garcia
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On 14.03.2008 02:07, Blinky the Shark wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>>>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
>>>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>>> I am...but my Google Groups filtering can't reach out to the remote
>>> servers.  :)
>>>
>>> Seriously, though -- I haven't seen a single spam in the groups I do
>>> here; is it happening in all of the groups on the server?
>>
>> then you're not in the right groups.  So far in the SM
>> support and dev groups.
>
> I saw Jay open the thread talking about "a lot of the support groups".
> (That's still up there.)  I figured mozilla.support.firefox and
> mozilla.support.thunderbird were "support groups".  Silly me.  Now you
> say "SM support and dev groups". (That's still up there.)  I didn't know
> support groups were dev groups.  Or that SM support was "a lot of the
> support groups" like Jay's original comment addressed.
>
>

.dev.* groups are differentiated from the .support.* groups, not the same.

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Re: Spam !!

Jay Garcia
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On 14.03.2008 09:01, Gus Richter wrote:

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> Ken Whiton wrote:
>> *-* On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:32:08 -0500,
>> *-* In Article [hidden email],
>> *-* »Q« wrote
>> *-* About Re: Spam !!
>>
>>> Jay Garcia <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being
>>>> inundated with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in
>>>> unencumbered. Who's minding this store anyways ??
>>
>>> The ones I've seen have been posted through Google.  Forward their
>>> headers to the abuse addresses for Google and for mozilla.org.
>>
>>      I do a Whois lookup and send them to the poster's ISP too.  The
>> ones I saw in the TB group earlier tonight all came from:
>> 118.175.129.141, which belongs to
>>
>> netname:      totnet
>> descr:        TOT Public Company Limited Bangkok
>>
>> with reports going to
>>
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>      Incidentally, is it generally sufficient to send just the
>> headers?  I normally send the complete post, headers and body.
>
> For virus included detection information in the header such as:
>     X-pstnvirus: W32/Zhelatin.gen!eml
> I simply send the header only.
>
> For Spam I would send the header and complete mail, although if lengthy
> I would trim somewhat, keep the original (for a reasonable time) and
> inform them of this and ask if they would like the complete version. If
> I receive no acknowledgment at all, after say a week, then I would
> resend the whole thing every time.
>
> This method has served me well for years.
>

I follow the convention used by SpamCop and that is to send the entire
message, header - body and all. The body is sent because it usually
contains links and the host server of those links may be interested in
what is coming out of their domain and "may" take appropriate action.


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Re: Spam !!

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>>>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
>>>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>>> I am...but my Google Groups filtering can't reach out to the remote
>>> servers.  :)
>>>
>>> Seriously, though -- I haven't seen a single spam in the groups I do
>>> here; is it happening in all of the groups on the server?
>> then you're not in the right groups.  So far in the SM
>> support and dev groups.
>
> I saw Jay open the thread talking about "a lot of the support groups".
> (That's still up there.)  I figured mozilla.support.firefox and
> mozilla.support.thunderbird were "support groups".  Silly me.  Now you
> say "SM support and dev groups". (That's still up there.)  I didn't know
> support groups were dev groups.  Or that SM support was "a lot of the
> support groups" like Jay's original comment addressed.
>
>

at first, they were just showing up in the SM support groups
and nowhere else. Then the SM dev got hit.  Now the FF and
TB support groups.

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Re: Spam !!

Rich Gray-3
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Leonidas Jones wrote:

> Irwin Greenwald wrote:
>> On 3/13/2008 8:33 PM, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
>>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>>>
>>>  
>> Not me O:-)   But I've also wondered why it isn't being caught early.
>>
>
> I've now tried forwarding to [hidden email].  Maybe that will help.
>
> Lee

Google Groups is notorious for ignoring abuse complaints.   Its support
desk is thought to be manned by Dave Null.   Do no hold your breath.

There is a glimmer of hope here.   These groups are hosted by GigaNews
and GN has just acquired SuperNews, which has legendary spam/flood
filtering.   If they do more than just acquire the name and assimilate
users, perhaps the filtering will improve.

I really don't know what the administrative relationship is between
GN & Mozilla.org staff as far as operation of news.mozilla.org...

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Re: Spam !!

Terry R.
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The date and time was 3/13/2008 8:33 PM, and on a whim, Jay Garcia
pounded out on the keyboard:

> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in unencumbered.
> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>

Yeah, we have to live with that crap, and a little group can't do
posting in MTMM.  Go figure.

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