Sign something important: Manifesto Election without Lula is fraud
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On 1/14/18 6:47 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
> Em 14-01-2018 03:13, Hartdonor escreveu: > ... >> This is of parochial interest to Brazilian citizens who support Lula >> and that's it. This is far too narrow an audience to make it >> appropriate for discussion here. >> > > You are wrong! Clearly wrong. > > Four Latin ex-presidents signed the manifesto, as I have said here > three days ago: (Argentinean) Cristina Kirchner, (Uruguayan) José > Mujica, (Ecuadorian) Rafael Correa, (Colombian) Ernesto Samper. They follow this newsgroup and that is what motivated them to sign the petition? The power of this group is amazing! _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
Re: Sign something important: Manifesto Election without Lula is fraud
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Em 14-01-2018 12:23, WaltS48 escreveu:
> On 1/14/18 6:47 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote: >> Em 14-01-2018 03:13, Hartdonor escreveu: >> ... >>> This is of parochial interest to Brazilian citizens who support Lula >>> and that's it. This is far too narrow an audience to make it >>> appropriate for discussion here. >>> >> >> You are wrong! Clearly wrong. >> >> Four Latin ex-presidents signed the manifesto, as I have said here >> three days ago: (Argentinean) Cristina Kirchner, (Uruguayan) José >> Mujica, (Ecuadorian) Rafael Correa, (Colombian) Ernesto Samper. > > > They follow this newsgroup and that is what motivated them to sign the > petition? > > The power of this group is amazing! > > That is not my point. The fact is that people from all over the world may sign, and have been signing the manifesto. And I believe that some people that read here have signed it, with possibly a few more people that only got to know the manifesto from those coleagues we have. _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
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On 1/14/18 9:36 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
> Em 14-01-2018 12:23, WaltS48 escreveu: >> On 1/14/18 6:47 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote: >>> Em 14-01-2018 03:13, Hartdonor escreveu: >>> ... >>>> This is of parochial interest to Brazilian citizens who support Lula >>>> and that's it. This is far too narrow an audience to make it >>>> appropriate for discussion here. >>>> >>> >>> You are wrong! Clearly wrong. >>> >>> Four Latin ex-presidents signed the manifesto, as I have said here >>> three days ago: (Argentinean) Cristina Kirchner, (Uruguayan) José >>> Mujica, (Ecuadorian) Rafael Correa, (Colombian) Ernesto Samper. >> >> >> They follow this newsgroup and that is what motivated them to sign the >> petition? >> >> The power of this group is amazing! >> >> > > That is not my point. The fact is that people from all over the world > may sign, and have been signing the manifesto. And I believe that some > people that read here have signed it, with possibly a few more people > that only got to know the manifesto from those coleagues we have. Well, thanks for the noise. Now back to our regularly scheduled subject. Anyone follow Snooker? Awesome first match between Mark Selby and Mark Williams going on now in the Masters Snooker 2018. _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
Re: Sign something important: Manifesto Election without Lula is fraud
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On 1/14/2018 at 12:13 AM, Hartdonor created this epitome of digital genius:
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:04:42 -0000, in mozilla.general, Jim Fisher wrote: >> the __majority__ of us who disagree. > > Majority? LOL! Did you take a poll? > > I agree with the people who are against this sort of thread. Off-topic > stuff in this group is generally about things that are of interest to the > broader Mozilla community. This is of parochial interest to Brazilian > citizens who support Lula and that's it. This is far too narrow an > audience to make it appropriate for discussion here. > > Peddle your local politics on a local group, where people are far more > likely to care. Mozilla's servers, in a general purpose Mozilla > discussion group, are a bad choice for this sort of content. > One of this group's intended reasons for existence is for "off-topic" discussions, with the hope of keeping them off the actual support groups. Here's my previous citation again: <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/forums/> Scroll down to Project Wide Forums. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ An oyster is a fish built like a nut. _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
Re: Sign something important: Manifesto Election without Lula is fraud
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On 1/14/2018 at 2:08 AM, Ray_Net created this epitome of digital genius:
> Jim Fisher wrote on 14-01-18 00:04: >> On 13 Jan 2018 at 17:05, Ray_Net wrote: >> >>> Jim Fisher wrote on 13-01-18 02:37: >>>> On 11 Jan 2018 at 22:02, Ray_Net wrote: >>>> >>>>> Balaco ocalaB wrote on 11-01-18 21:45: >>>>>> About that petition, a recently published story¹ is: >>>>> We don't care here. >>>>> Please get out ! >>>> Why should he/she? This group is for general discussion, and is used >>>> for that >>>> by most people. I don't remember hearing complaints about politics >>>> when the >>>> USA presidential election was coming up and candidates were being >>>> criticised >>>> here. >>>> >>>> Jim Fisher >>>> >>> The newsgroup is labelled MOZILLA.general .. >>> So it pertain to a general discussions about MOZILLA products. >>> That's my opinion. >> You're entitled to your opinion, > Ed Mullen have given this official explanation: > "all aspects of all the things that we're doing here at mozilla.org" > So my opinion is correct ! But you left off: "(high traffic; often off-topic)" which was my intent to show that part of this group's raison d'être is for off-topic discussion, including non-Mozilla discussions. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ A good friend will come and bail you out of jail but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Dang, that was fun." _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
Re: Sign something important: Manifesto Election without Lula is fraud
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On 01/14/2018 07:00 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> "(high traffic; often off-topic)" > > which was my intent to show that part of this group's raison d'être is > for off-topic discussion, including non-Mozilla discussions. Which is the way it should be. Read or not read, post or not post, whine or not whine... -- Cheers, Bev "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." -- Elbert Hubbard, American author _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
Re: Sign something important: Manifesto Election without Lula is fraud
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The Real Bev:
>On 01/14/2018 07:00 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: >> "(high traffic; often off-topic)" >> >> which was my intent to show that part of this group's raison d'être is >> for off-topic discussion, including non-Mozilla discussions. > >Which is the way it should be. Read or not read, post or not post, >whine or not whine... Whine? Why not. Some sympathy would be fine. :) Builds of SM-Trunk are not usable since 9 days now. No content in MailNews or Sidebar/Browser. Well? *g* Hartmut _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
Re: Sign something important: Manifesto Election without Lula is fraud
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Em 09-01-2018 19:54, Balaco ocalaB escreveu:
>> The attempt to schedule the date of the trial of Lula's appeal for >> the 24th of January is empty of legality. It is purely an act of >> persecution of the most popular Brazilian leader. The recourse to >> resort to spurious expedient to intervene in the electoral process >> happens because the coup of Dilma's Impeachment did not generate a >> political regime of lasting conservative stability. >> >> The strategic plan underway, following Dilma's removal from the >> presidency, cuts workers' rights, threatens public pensions, >> privatizes Petrobras, Eletrobras and public banks, and abandons the >> active and proud foreign policy. >> >> The labor reform and the limit of expenditure did not attract the >> promised foreign investments, which could support the campaign for a >> government aligned with neoliberalism in 2018. In the face of >> unpopularity, these sectors have failed to build, so far, a viable >> candidate for president. >> >> Lula grows in the polls in all scenarios in the first and the second >> rounds, and can even win in the first round. The scenario of >> overwhelming victory of Lula would mean the failure of the coup and >> would enable the opening of a new political cycle. >> >> Hence, anything goes in the plot to prevent Lula's candidature: >> condemnation in the Porto Alegre court, the creation of a >> semi-parliament and the postponement of the elections. None of the >> listed actions is out of question. They build up the evil arsenal of >> the political forces that do not value democracy. >> >> A persecution entirely political, which will only be defeated on the >> political ground. More than a tactical or electoral problem, the >> victory or defeat in this fight will have strategic and long-term >> consequences. >> >> Brazil is experiencing a time of crossroads: either restore social >> rights and the democratic rule of law or be defeated and watch the >> final implementation of a capitalist society without regulations, >> based on the super-exploitation of workers. >> >> This type of society requires a State reinforced with instruments of >> exception to suppress universities, intellectuals, workers, women, >> youth, the poor, the black people. Ultimately, all the exploited and >> oppressed that rise up against the new system. >> >> Thus, the issue of the persecution of Lula does not refer only to the >> Workers Party and the left, but to all Brazilian citizens. As never >> before in our generation of fighters, what is at stake is the future >> of democracy. > > You may sign (or reread) the petition of this manifesto here: > > https://www.change.org/p/sociedade-brasileira-em-defesa-do-direito-de-lula-ser-candidato-a-presidente-do-brasil?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition > > > If you decide to do that, I thank you very much. > > By now, the manifesto has been translated into 8 languages. (: Ricardo Lagos' message, which has been published in Spanish at https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1556101661125495&id=1 as I have said before, was also translated to English, and I copy that for you here: ****** In defense of Lula da Silva A group of political, social and cultural personalities, both from Latin America and from other countries, specially from Europe, has reacted when faced with the intention of realizing in record time the second instance judgement against Lula da Silva, to prevent [him] becoming presidential candidate [in Brasil's 2018 elections]. This, more than a judgement, seem an act of political persecution. Lula was and still is a fundamental character for the hopes of Brazilians and a leader in the world scenary. There are millions of men and women in this country that have no doubt in how their lives changed when Lula was president. They know their country had advances and an important progresses, making economic growth and development with social justice, a possible duality to achieve as a whole. Of course his predecessor, president Cardoso [FHC] had started this path that Lula followed. I believe that we are faced with a political persecution that will only be defeated in political environment. More than a tactical matter or electoral theme, the victory or defeat in this fight will have long term strategical consequences. What is at stake in Brasil is the future of democracy. A democracy where millions that overcame poverty do not return to it, a democracy where obscure maneuvers and schemes to suffocate popular will are not used, a democracy from which should be possible to speak legitimately with the rest of the world to address with conviction and leadership a more fair society in XXI century. The social changes emerging in many democracies require work, from leaderships like Lula's, to be developed. ****** (the above ended Ricardo Lagos' words translation) = 1.a. Você quer fazer um comentário, mas não quer mostrar quem você é? 1.b. Do you want to make a comment, but do not want to show who you are? 2.a. Você pode fazê-lo aqui: 2.b. You may do it here: https://queroouvir.sarahah.com/ _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
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On 01/14/2018 09:07 AM, Hartmut Figge wrote:
> The Real Bev: >>On 01/14/2018 07:00 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: > >>> "(high traffic; often off-topic)" >>> >>> which was my intent to show that part of this group's raison d'être is >>> for off-topic discussion, including non-Mozilla discussions. >> >>Which is the way it should be. Read or not read, post or not post, >>whine or not whine... > > Whine? Why not. Some sympathy would be fine. :) Builds of SM-Trunk are > not usable since 9 days now. No content in MailNews or Sidebar/Browser. > > Well? *g* Your story has touched my heart. Please accept these pixels as a token of my support. -- Cheers, Bev It's not the speed that kills, it's the stopping. _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
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On 14 Jan 2018 at 9:23, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 1/14/18 6:47 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote: > > Em 14-01-2018 03:13, Hartdonor escreveu: > > ... > >> This is of parochial interest to Brazilian citizens who support Lula > >> and that's it. This is far too narrow an audience to make it > >> appropriate for discussion here. > >> > > > > You are wrong! Clearly wrong. > > > > Four Latin ex-presidents signed the manifesto, as I have said here > > three days ago: (Argentinean) Cristina Kirchner, (Uruguayan) José > > Mujica, (Ecuadorian) Rafael Correa, (Colombian) Ernesto Samper. > > > They follow this newsgroup and that is what motivated them to sign the > petition? > > The power of this group is amazing! I follow it. I signed the petition. I live in UK, which, last time I looked, was quite a distance from Brazil. Jim Fisher -- http://jimellame.tumblr.com - My thoughts on freedom (needs updating) http://jimella.wordpress.com - political snippets, especially economic policy http://jimella.livejournal.com - misc. snippets, some political, some not Forget Google! I search with https://duckduckgo.com which doesn't spy on you _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
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On 13 Jan 2018 at 23:13, Hartdonor wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:04:42 -0000, in mozilla.general, Jim Fisher wrote: > >the __majority__ of us who disagree. > > Majority? LOL! Did you take a poll? No, of course not. Just going by the proportion of non-technical stuff that I've seen on here previously, from most contributors, including political stuff of relevance to only one country (or less). The rest of your message has been answered by others, probably better than I could, so I won't waste your time or mine on doing so again. Jim Fisher -- http://jimellame.tumblr.com - My thoughts on freedom (needs updating) http://jimella.wordpress.com - political snippets, especially economic policy http://jimella.livejournal.com - misc. snippets, some political, some not Forget Google! I search with https://duckduckgo.com which doesn't spy on you _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
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Ed Mullen wrote on 14-01-18 16:00:
> On 1/14/2018 at 2:08 AM, Ray_Net created this epitome of digital genius: >> Jim Fisher wrote on 14-01-18 00:04: >>> On 13 Jan 2018 at 17:05, Ray_Net wrote: >>> >>>> Jim Fisher wrote on 13-01-18 02:37: >>>>> On 11 Jan 2018 at 22:02, Ray_Net wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Balaco ocalaB wrote on 11-01-18 21:45: >>>>>>> About that petition, a recently published story¹ is: >>>>>> We don't care here. >>>>>> Please get out ! >>>>> Why should he/she? This group is for general discussion, and is >>>>> used for that >>>>> by most people. I don't remember hearing complaints about politics >>>>> when the >>>>> USA presidential election was coming up and candidates were being >>>>> criticised >>>>> here. >>>>> >>>>> Jim Fisher >>>>> >>>> The newsgroup is labelled MOZILLA.general .. >>>> So it pertain to a general discussions about MOZILLA products. >>>> That's my opinion. >>> You're entitled to your opinion, >> Ed Mullen have given this official explanation: >> "all aspects of all the things that we're doing here at mozilla.org" >> So my opinion is correct ! > > But you left off: > > "(high traffic; often off-topic)" > > which was my intent to show that part of this group's raison d'être is > for off-topic discussion, including non-Mozilla discussions. > > _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
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On 01/14/2018 12:23 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote on 14-01-18 16:00: >> >> "(high traffic; often off-topic)" >> >> which was my intent to show that part of this group's raison d'être is >> for off-topic discussion, including non-Mozilla discussions. >> > So this group looks like junk or bin :-( Not at all, just chat around the water cooler/coffee machine. -- Cheers, Bev I remember when everybody posted to Usenet with their real, deliverable e-mail address. Of all the sins committed by the spammers, destroying the viability of the open Internet was the worst. (Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, news.admin.net-abuse.email) _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
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The Real Bev wrote on 14-01-18 22:01:
> On 01/14/2018 12:23 PM, Ray_Net wrote: >> Ed Mullen wrote on 14-01-18 16:00: >>> >>> "(high traffic; often off-topic)" >>> >>> which was my intent to show that part of this group's raison d'être is >>> for off-topic discussion, including non-Mozilla discussions. >>> >> So this group looks like junk or bin :-( > > Not at all, just chat around the water cooler/coffee machine. > spoons :-) _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
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On 1/14/2018 3:23 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> Ed Mullen wrote on 14-01-18 16:00: >> On 1/14/2018 at 2:08 AM, Ray_Net created this epitome of digital genius: >>> Jim Fisher wrote on 14-01-18 00:04: >>>> On 13 Jan 2018 at 17:05, Ray_Net wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Fisher wrote on 13-01-18 02:37: >>>>>> On 11 Jan 2018 at 22:02, Ray_Net wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Balaco ocalaB wrote on 11-01-18 21:45: >>>>>>>> About that petition, a recently published story¹ is: >>>>>>> We don't care here. >>>>>>> Please get out ! >>>>>> Why should he/she? This group is for general discussion, and is >>>>>> used for that >>>>>> by most people. I don't remember hearing complaints about >>>>>> politics when the >>>>>> USA presidential election was coming up and candidates were being >>>>>> criticised >>>>>> here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim Fisher >>>>>> >>>>> The newsgroup is labelled MOZILLA.general .. >>>>> So it pertain to a general discussions about MOZILLA products. >>>>> That's my opinion. >>>> You're entitled to your opinion, >>> Ed Mullen have given this official explanation: >>> "all aspects of all the things that we're doing here at mozilla.org" >>> So my opinion is correct ! >> >> But you left off: >> >> "(high traffic; often off-topic)" >> >> which was my intent to show that part of this group's raison d'être >> is for off-topic discussion, including non-Mozilla discussions. >> >> > So this group looks like junk or bin :-( Filters Ray, filters. _______________________________________________ general mailing list [hidden email] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/general |
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