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Shutting down dev.performance

Taras Glek-3
Hi,
At the moment dev.performance is a little used list that overlaps with
dev.platform. Important recent posts made on dev.performance, have been
a mistake (eg. threads by Messrs. Jesup and Mandelin). So in order to
not risk further lost threads I propose we shutdown this mailing list
and move all of the future discussion to dev.platform.

Any objections?

Rob Helmer, the sole regular user of the list doesn't have any
objections, anybody else?

Tips on the process for closing a newsgroup?

Taras

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Re: Shutting down dev.performance

Chris Ilias-6
On 11-08-25 12:11 PM, Taras Glek wrote:
>
> Tips on the process for closing a newsgroup?

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=mozilla.org&component=Discussion%20Forums
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Re: Shutting down dev.performance

Randell Jesup-4
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>Hi,
>At the moment dev.performance is a little used list that overlaps with
>dev.platform. Important recent posts made on dev.performance, have been a
>mistake (eg. threads by Messrs. Jesup and Mandelin). So in order to not
>risk further lost threads I propose we shutdown this mailing list and move
>all of the future discussion to dev.platform.

My mistake was cross-posting it to .platform... :-)

>Any objections?
>
>Rob Helmer, the sole regular user of the list doesn't have any objections,
>anybody else?

Actually, I do object.  The most interesting discussions from my posting
came in .performance, and quite honestly I'd have preferred for all
discussion of it to have been there - I was just worried that perhaps no one
was monitoring it, as I'd been away for a while, and wanted to 'ping'
people in platform to look here.  Unfortunately, various people's
newsreaders (or people purposely) sent replies to .platform instead of
honoring the Followups-To.  (Thunderbird bug, perhaps?)

m.d.platform is already an over-full group with insufficient breakout
IMHO - it gets overwhelmed occasionally by stuff like B2G.  Part of the
problem may be that people have moved away from "traditional"
newsreaders.

Bugs aren't a great place for discussion.  Newsgroups are (and I'd love
more broken-out specialization); or the modern equivalent to newsgroups
(web forums, though for many uses I prefer newsgroups to web forums, not
the least of which is that *I* get to decide what my interface and
editor is).

For example, I'd love a newsgroup for media stuff.  Low volume isn't a
problem in a newsgroup; unlike web forums you don't have to actively
check them (RSS can help with that on web forums of course, but that's
more setup hassle for the user).

As perf has always been a strong interest of mine, I was hoping to spark
some useful discussions here and make them findable in the future (while
in platform they'd rapidly be lost in the chatter).

That's my opinion, anyways.

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Randell Jesup, Mozilla Corp
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Re: Shutting down dev.performance

Boris Zbarsky
On 8/25/11 1:00 PM, Randell Jesup wrote:
> Unfortunately, various people's
> newsreaders (or people purposely) sent replies to .platform instead of
> honoring the Followups-To.

Most likely because they use the mailing list, not the newsgroup, and
you didn't set a Reply-To header and the gateway is dumb and doesn't
turn Followup-To into Reply-To and vice versa....

-Boris
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Re: Shutting down dev.performance

Mike Shaver
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On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Randell Jesup <[hidden email]> wrote:
> m.d.platform is already an over-full group with insufficient breakout
> IMHO - it gets overwhelmed occasionally by stuff like B2G.

We created a list for b2g to solve that; apologies for not doing that
sooner, it was certainly pretty disruptive for other platform
conversations.

I don't think it makes sense to split performance out into a separate
area of discussion.  It's not really a separable concern: it needs to
be part of how we think of everything we do, and improvements in it
will always involve one or more other domains.  Similarly with
security.

It might be that performance tools could be in another group, but I
think they're low enough volume that it's not worth adding another
channel to monitor or find, and also the audience for those tools is
everyone, so other than really specific architectural issues it's
going to want lots of platform feedback anyway.

> For example, I'd love a newsgroup for media stuff.  Low volume isn't a
> problem in a newsgroup; unlike web forums you don't have to actively
> check them (RSS can help with that on web forums of course, but that's
> more setup hassle for the user).

I think a media list makes more sense, since it's a vertical rather
than horizontal area of work.

Mike
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Re: Shutting down dev.performance

Robert O'Callahan-3
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Randell Jesup <[hidden email]> wrote:

> m.d.platform is already an over-full group with insufficient breakout
> IMHO - it gets overwhelmed occasionally by stuff like B2G.  Part of the
> problem may be that people have moved away from "traditional"
> newsreaders.
>

Just ignore/mute/kill the threads you don't care about, right? I know some
people have difficulty doing that due to, um, client limitations, but
old-skool newsreaders should be fine.

I find it both essential (across many mailing lists and newsgroups, not just
Mozilla's) and trivial to ignore threads I'm not following. (I use Gmail but
that's not the only option.)

Rob
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we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us." [1 John 1:8-10]
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Re: Shutting down dev.performance

Armen Zambrano G.
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I found this mailing list by mistake and I had never heard of it.
I agree with Taras as nothing has been posted in here since August
(except Rob Helmer).

BTW most perf regressions found on the tree are reported on
dev.tree-management.
We also have discussions on how to improve things over there with the
A-team.

Not sure if I just misunderstand the purpose of this mailing list.

cheers,
Armen


On 11-08-25 12:11 PM, Taras Glek wrote:

> Hi,
> At the moment dev.performance is a little used list that overlaps with
> dev.platform. Important recent posts made on dev.performance, have been
> a mistake (eg. threads by Messrs. Jesup and Mandelin). So in order to
> not risk further lost threads I propose we shutdown this mailing list
> and move all of the future discussion to dev.platform.
>
> Any objections?
>
> Rob Helmer, the sole regular user of the list doesn't have any
> objections, anybody else?
>
> Tips on the process for closing a newsgroup?
>
> Taras
>

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Re: Shutting down dev.performance

Taras Glek-3
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On 8/25/2011 9:11 AM, Taras Glek wrote:

> Hi,
> At the moment dev.performance is a little used list that overlaps with
> dev.platform. Important recent posts made on dev.performance, have been
> a mistake (eg. threads by Messrs. Jesup and Mandelin). So in order to
> not risk further lost threads I propose we shutdown this mailing list
> and move all of the future discussion to dev.platform.
>
> Any objections?
>
> Rob Helmer, the sole regular user of the list doesn't have any
> objections, anybody else?
>
> Tips on the process for closing a newsgroup?
>
> Taras
>
Thanks to Ehsan for reminder,
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706152
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