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wolfi-3
Does Seamonkey 1.0A reliably auto-poll your email accounts?

I noticed several times by now, that for whatever reason, at least one of
my accounts doesn't get auto-polled every intervall, as defined in its
account setting. In order to get newly arrived mails from there, I have to
initiate polls manually, which is quite frustrating.

I'm starting it: Seamonkey.EXE -ProfileManager -nosplash -mail

Do others have more luck with it?

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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

Heikki Kekki
Wolfi wrote:
> Does Seamonkey 1.0A reliably auto-poll your email accounts?

Yes, it does, at least I didn't noticed otherwise. I get mail to my main
account only few times per workday.

> I'm starting it: Seamonkey.EXE -ProfileManager -nosplash -mail

I'm starting it with no parameters.

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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

Peter Weilbacher
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:57:11 UTC, Wolfi wrote:

> Does Seamonkey 1.0A reliably auto-poll your email accounts?

Here it does. I am using it probably not as often as you do and mostly
for tests but just now it did. Perhaps you interval is too short and the
server does not like to be polled as often?

> I'm starting it: Seamonkey.EXE -ProfileManager -nosplash -mail

Why "-ProfileManager"? Not that it should make any difference with your
problem...
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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

wolfi-3
Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:57:11 UTC, Wolfi wrote:
>
>> Does Seamonkey 1.0A reliably auto-poll your email accounts?
>
> Here it does. I am using it probably not as often as you do and mostly
> for tests but just now it did. Perhaps you interval is too short and the
> server does not like to be polled as often?

That shouldn't be the problem, since I can poll manually triggered as often
as my slow dial-up allows.
It was set to 10min, but since I'm currently emailing quite a bit back and
forth on this account, I had it reduced last night to 4min, but it doesn't
make any difference, here SM just doesn't auto-poll.


This time, I had started SM w/o the "-mail" parameter, so that the browser
comes up and SM also hadn't noticed a new message in my yahoo.fr account,
until I had started up the mail client with its initial auto-poll settings
for all valid accounts.
So I have to conclude, that the problem of not checking for mails at all,
unless the M/N client was also started up at least once, still isn't fixed,
but rather made it from Mozilla 0.x.y into SM1.0A :-(

>> I'm starting it: Seamonkey.EXE -ProfileManager -nosplash -mail
>
> Why "-ProfileManager"? Not that it should make any difference with your
> problem...


It's a test installation from where I have a few different profiles to mess
around. Hence the "-Profilemanager" is part of my call script, to easily
let me choose the right profile.

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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

Peter Weilbacher
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:41:08 UTC, Wolfi wrote:

> So I have to conclude, that the problem of not checking for mails at all,
> unless the M/N client was also started up at least once, still isn't fixed,
> but rather made it from Mozilla 0.x.y into SM1.0A :-(

As you know (you left a comment there once) that is
   https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71105
and you can CC yourself to that bug so that you learn once somebody is
working on it. As you can see from that bug entry that is not the case
yet, other bugs just have higher priorities... Complaining here about it
or leaving more "please finally fix this" comments on the bugs are
unlikely to help. Instead, you could try use the IRC channel #seamonkey
and _politely_ point someone of the SeaMonkey Council or people like
Karsten Düsterloh to this bug. It might help or it might not, but to me
it seem to be very unlikely to get fixed in the SeaMonkey 1.0.x
timeframe.

> >> I'm starting it: Seamonkey.EXE -ProfileManager -nosplash -mail
> >
> > Why "-ProfileManager"? Not that it should make any difference with your
> > problem...
>
> It's a test installation from where I have a few different profiles to mess
> around. Hence the "-Profilemanager" is part of my call script, to easily
> let me choose the right profile.

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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

wolfi-3
Peter Weilbacher wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:41:08 UTC, Wolfi wrote:
>
>> So I have to conclude, that the problem of not checking for mails at all,
>> unless the M/N client was also started up at least once, still isn't fixed,
>> but rather made it from Mozilla 0.x.y into SM1.0A :-(
>
> As you know (you left a comment there once) that is
>    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71105
> and you can CC yourself to that bug so that you learn once somebody is
> working on it. As you can see from that bug entry that is not the case
> yet, other bugs just have higher priorities... Complaining here about it
> or leaving more "please finally fix this" comments on the bugs are
> unlikely to help.

What I'm trying to do, is to determine, if this is a unique quirk here or
some wider experienced issue. In this special case, I remembered that it was
a recognised bug back with the pre-1.8 line, but was under the impression,
that it wasn't part of the modified Mozilla 1.8 design anymore.
This especially, since I don't remember having seen anybody mentioning this
problem for the 1.8.x line here at all.

Hence this wasn't a complaint, but more an educated, guessing conclusion
from my own experience with SM so far.

Thanks for finding out the bug-#. It's a PITA trying to follow up on this
kind of stuff in a timely manner, depending on POTS with often ridiculous
long latency times. This especially, when one is expecting incoming phone
calls and hence has to limit the online use of that line.

>Instead, you could try use the IRC channel #seamonkey
> and _politely_ point someone of the SeaMonkey Council or people like
> Karsten Düsterloh to this bug. It might help or it might not, but to me
> it seem to be very unlikely to get fixed in the SeaMonkey 1.0.x
> timeframe.
>
I'll see, what I can do.


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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

Lewis Rosenthal
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Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.9a1) Gecko/20051021
SeaMonkey/1.1a Mnenhy/0.7.2.0 - auto-poll works fine. I'm set to every
10 minutes, and have not attempted shortening that duration. It may have
something to do with multiple accounts; I'll see if I can get a chance
to set a couple to auto-poll (as my server runs fetchmail, I usually
leave it to that box to grab my mail from three or four sources and then
drop messages in my 2rosenthals.com mailbox; however, like many of us
here, I often have to test other people's mail, so I have a few "spare"
accounts set up).

I'll try to report back at some point tomorrow after I've had a chance
to track this stuff for a while.

On 10/30/2005 01:57 am, Wolfi thus wrote :
> Does Seamonkey 1.0A reliably auto-poll your email accounts?
>
<snip>

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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

Heikki Kekki
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Wolfi wrote:

> That shouldn't be the problem, since I can poll manually triggered as often
> as my slow dial-up allows.
> It was set to 10min, but since I'm currently emailing quite a bit back and
> forth on this account, I had it reduced last night to 4min, but it doesn't
> make any difference, here SM just doesn't auto-poll.

Do you use Dial On Demand? Few years ago I used manual dial-up
connection, Mozilla mail was set to auto poll and it stopped working
sooner or later, when it tried to poll mail with no connection.


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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

wolfi-3
Heikki Kekki wrote:

> Wolfi wrote:
>
>> That shouldn't be the problem, since I can poll manually triggered as
>> often
>> as my slow dial-up allows.
>> It was set to 10min, but since I'm currently emailing quite a bit back
>> and
>> forth on this account, I had it reduced last night to 4min, but it
>> doesn't
>> make any difference, here SM just doesn't auto-poll.
>
> Do you use Dial On Demand? Few years ago I used manual dial-up
> connection, Mozilla mail was set to auto poll and it stopped working
> sooner or later, when it tried to poll mail with no connection.

I noticed that to be an additional problem, too. Hence, when my dial-up
connection is interrupted, I usually set Mozilla/SM to "work offline".

But this problem, that polling only seems to work at startup (with most
accounts set to do so), also occurs, with a freshly booted system and dial-up
not yet interrupted so far.

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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

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Peter Weilbacher wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:41:08 UTC, Wolfi wrote:
>
>> So I have to conclude, that the problem of not checking for mails at all,
>> unless the M/N client was also started up at least once, still isn't fixed,
>> but rather made it from Mozilla 0.x.y into SM1.0A :-(
>
> As you know (you left a comment there once) that is
>    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71105
> and you can CC yourself to that bug so that you learn once somebody is
> working on it. As you can see from that bug entry that is not the case
> yet, other bugs just have higher priorities... Complaining here about it
> or leaving more "please finally fix this" comments on the bugs are
> unlikely to help. Instead, you could try use the IRC channel #seamonkey
> and _politely_ point someone of the SeaMonkey Council or people like
> Karsten Düsterloh to this bug. It might help or it might not, but to me
> it seem to be very unlikely to get fixed in the SeaMonkey 1.0.x
> timeframe.

It seems to me that this isn't a bug as much as it is a feature. The
only time this "problem" occurs is if the operator starts Mozilla or SM
and _never_ starts the mail/news portion. Not exactly the way most
people use the suite. For my part, checking email is usually the first
or second thing I do after starting SM and even if the mail/news window
is closed after that the suite will continue to check for new mail at
the specified interval.

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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

Wolfi-2
James wrote:

> Peter Weilbacher wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:41:08 UTC, Wolfi wrote:
>>
>>> So I have to conclude, that the problem of not checking for mails at
>>> all,
>>> unless the M/N client was also started up at least once, still isn't
>>> fixed,
>>> but rather made it from Mozilla 0.x.y into SM1.0A :-(
>>
>> As you know (you left a comment there once) that is    
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71105
>> and you can CC yourself to that bug so that you learn once somebody is
>> working on it. As you can see from that bug entry that is not the case
>> yet, other bugs just have higher priorities... Complaining here about it
>> or leaving more "please finally fix this" comments on the bugs are
>> unlikely to help. Instead, you could try use the IRC channel
>> #seamonkey and _politely_ point someone of the SeaMonkey Council or
>> people like Karsten Düsterloh to this bug. It might help or it might
>> not, but to me it seem to be very unlikely to get fixed in the
>> SeaMonkey 1.0.x timeframe.
>
> It seems to me that this isn't a bug as much as it is a feature. The

Then it's a very unpleasant one ;-)

> only time this "problem" occurs is if the operator starts Mozilla or SM
> and _never_ starts the mail/news portion. Not exactly the way most
> people use the suite. For my part, checking email is usually the first

Not really. I usually start up the browser, often even load the last stored
tab session and then simply expect, that the suite's M/N client then does its
job in the background and then tells me, in case I got new mails.

> or second thing I do after starting SM and even if the mail/news window
> is closed after that the suite will continue to check for new mail at
> the specified interval.

And exactly that it didn't do repeatedly on several occasions, while I was
in the process of emailing back and forth and waiting for the next reply
to arrive, while the freaky thing just didn't bother at all to auto-check
for any new arrivals. Somewhere between some 20 and 30 min later, after
doing other things alongside, I then eventually remembered to perhaps trigger
a scan manually and of course, the reply was sitting there already since more
than 15 minutes w/o Mozilla/SM even knowing about. And the auto-poll interval
was set to 10min at that time.

That currently is my major issue with it, besides the already mentioned startup
(no-)thing.

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not-my-name
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In <dk8oh4$[hidden email]>, on 11/01/05 at 02:00 PM,
   James <[hidden email]> said:

"|The
"|only time this "problem" occurs is if the operator starts Mozilla
"|or SM and _never_ starts the mail/news portion. Not exactly the way
"|most people use the suite.

As email clients, Mozilla and SeaMonkey and Thunderbird all suck.  ALL
three-pane email clients are 3-PAIN email clients.  They are designed
and built to be Outlook Express clones for the comfort level of
Windows user.  They are miserable excuses for email clients.

As a browser, Mozilla/SeaMonkey is/are superior to Firefox, or any
other current browser.

I am among MANY who starts Mozilla or SM and _never_ starts the
mail/news portion.

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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

James-37
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Wolfi wrote:

> James wrote:
>> or second thing I do after starting SM and even if the mail/news
>> window is closed after that the suite will continue to check for new
>> mail at the specified interval.
>
> And exactly that it didn't do repeatedly on several occasions, while I was
> in the process of emailing back and forth and waiting for the next reply
> to arrive, while the freaky thing just didn't bother at all to auto-check
> for any new arrivals. Somewhere between some 20 and 30 min later, after
> doing other things alongside, I then eventually remembered to perhaps
> trigger
> a scan manually and of course, the reply was sitting there already since
> more
> than 15 minutes w/o Mozilla/SM even knowing about. And the auto-poll
> interval
> was set to 10min at that time.
>
> That currently is my major issue with it, besides the already mentioned
> startup
> (no-)thing.

Then maybe something else is amiss. Both SM 1.0A and Mozilla 1.7.12
check for mail on my machine at the specified interval as long as the
mail/news portion has been started, even if it is subsequently closed
and I'm just using the browser portion.

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Then I guess, for you, installing SM browser-only would be the way to
go. However, many of us - who have never used Outbreak or Outbreak
Distress - still like the look and feel of a 3-pane email client, having
cut our teeth on Communicator.

Actually, I think Mozilla's mail implementation is a good one. To each
his own, I suppose.

On 11/01/2005 09:07 pm, not-my-name@die-spam-die thus wrote :

> In <dk8oh4$[hidden email]>, on 11/01/05 at 02:00 PM,
>    James <[hidden email]> said:
>
> "|The
> "|only time this "problem" occurs is if the operator starts Mozilla
> "|or SM and _never_ starts the mail/news portion. Not exactly the way
> "|most people use the suite.
>
> As email clients, Mozilla and SeaMonkey and Thunderbird all suck.  ALL
> three-pane email clients are 3-PAIN email clients.  They are designed
> and built to be Outlook Express clones for the comfort level of
> Windows user.  They are miserable excuses for email clients.
>
> As a browser, Mozilla/SeaMonkey is/are superior to Firefox, or any
> other current browser.
>
> I am among MANY who starts Mozilla or SM and _never_ starts the
> mail/news portion.
>

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Andy Willis-2
Lewis Rosenthal wrote:

> Then I guess, for you, installing SM browser-only would be the way to
> go. However, many of us - who have never used Outbreak or Outbreak
> Distress - still like the look and feel of a 3-pane email client, having
> cut our teeth on Communicator.
>
> Actually, I think Mozilla's mail implementation is a good one. To each
> his own, I suppose.
>
> On 11/01/2005 09:07 pm, not-my-name@die-spam-die thus wrote :
>> In <dk8oh4$[hidden email]>, on 11/01/05 at 02:00 PM,
>>    James <[hidden email]> said:
>>
>> "|The
>> "|only time this "problem" occurs is if the operator starts Mozilla
>> "|or SM and _never_ starts the mail/news portion. Not exactly the way
>> "|most people use the suite.
>> As email clients, Mozilla and SeaMonkey and Thunderbird all suck.  ALL
>> three-pane email clients are 3-PAIN email clients.  They are designed
>> and built to be Outlook Express clones for the comfort level of
>> Windows user.  They are miserable excuses for email clients.
>> As a browser, Mozilla/SeaMonkey is/are superior to Firefox, or any
>> other current browser.
>> I am among MANY who starts Mozilla or SM and _never_ starts the
>> mail/news portion.
>
I happen to like it (never used Outlook) in 3 pane but it can be 2 pane
as well.
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Re: Seamonkey and Account Auto-Poll

Peter Weilbacher
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:17:02 UTC, Wolfi wrote:

> And exactly that it didn't do repeatedly on several occasions, while I was
> in the process of emailing back and forth and waiting for the next reply
> to arrive, while the freaky thing just didn't bother at all to auto-check
> for any new arrivals. Somewhere between some 20 and 30 min later, after
> doing other things alongside, I then eventually remembered to perhaps trigger
> a scan manually and of course, the reply was sitting there already since more
> than 15 minutes w/o Mozilla/SM even knowing about. And the auto-poll interval
> was set to 10min at that time.

I just by chance stumbled on a bug similar to this which already has a
fix. Give me a bit of time to produce an unofficial SeaMonkey 1.0x
nightly that includes it so you can test that.
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Wolfi-2
Peter Weilbacher wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:17:02 UTC, Wolfi wrote:
>
>> And exactly that it didn't do repeatedly on several occasions, while I was
>> in the process of emailing back and forth and waiting for the next reply
>> to arrive, while the freaky thing just didn't bother at all to auto-check
>> for any new arrivals. Somewhere between some 20 and 30 min later, after
>> doing other things alongside, I then eventually remembered to perhaps trigger
>> a scan manually and of course, the reply was sitting there already since more
>> than 15 minutes w/o Mozilla/SM even knowing about. And the auto-poll interval
>> was set to 10min at that time.
>
> I just by chance stumbled on a bug similar to this which already has a
> fix. Give me a bit of time to produce an unofficial SeaMonkey 1.0x
> nightly that includes it so you can test that.

Hi Peter,

that sounds excellent and your upcoming fix-build is utmost welcome.
I'm already looking forward to it :-)
Just give the word, once it is available.

Wolfi
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Peter Weilbacher
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:59:35 UTC, Wolfi wrote:

> that sounds excellent and your upcoming fix-build is utmost welcome.

It's not my fix but if it works for you that would still be great. :-)

> I'm already looking forward to it :-)
> Just give the word, once it is available.

OK, you can now try the SeaMonkey 1.0alpha+ ZIP package marked
"06Nov2005" on my builds page (you may have to reload the frame to see
it). I hope I didn't break anything else, I had a few problems while
building but in the end it seems to run fine on my machine.
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Heikki Kekki
Peter Weilbacher wrote:

> OK, you can now try the SeaMonkey 1.0alpha+ ZIP package marked
> "06Nov2005" on my builds page (you may have to reload the frame to see
> it). I hope I didn't break anything else, I had a few problems while
> building but in the end it seems to run fine on my machine.

Just downloaded it and as newsreader it is faster than 1.0alpha. Nice,
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In <dkavqt$[hidden email]>, on 11/02/2005
   at 11:17 AM, Andy Willis <[hidden email]> said:

>I happen to like it (never used Outlook) in 3 pane but it can be 2 pane
>as well.

Personally, I prefer a multi-window implementation like mr2/ice.  That
said, I am continually amazed at how often those that choose to use
eCS-OS/2 criticize other folks "oddball" preferences. :-)

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