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Tsahi Asher
is there any progress on SeaMonkey? will a 1.0 be released?
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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Tobias Fischer-2
On 2005-11-16 22:49, Tsahi Asher wrote:
> is there any progress on SeaMonkey? will a 1.0 be released?

Yes. Robert Kaiser (KaiRo), Member of SeaMonkey-Council, has told in
<4374c16f$0$25098$[hidden email]> (sorry, the post is in
german), that they are waiting to land the new Artwork for Branding
(probably the next two or three weeks) and than go ahead for SeaMonkey
1.0-Beta-Release something about a period of another one or two weeks
for QA.

After this Beta-Release, there was hope to get out the SeaMonkey-Final
as a Christmas-Gift.

For testing you can get the actuall 1.0b-Nighly-Builds from:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/latest-mozilla1.8/

And sure, we need a lot of testing to get out the Beta and later the
Final Release.


Tobias

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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

user-41
Tobias Fischer wrote:

> On 2005-11-16 22:49, Tsahi Asher wrote:
>> is there any progress on SeaMonkey? will a 1.0 be released?
>
> Yes. Robert Kaiser (KaiRo), Member of SeaMonkey-Council, has told in
> <4374c16f$0$25098$[hidden email]> (sorry, the post is in
> german), that they are waiting to land the new Artwork for Branding
> (probably the next two or three weeks) and than go ahead for SeaMonkey
> 1.0-Beta-Release something about a period of another one or two weeks
> for QA.
>
> After this Beta-Release, there was hope to get out the SeaMonkey-Final
> as a Christmas-Gift.
>
> For testing you can get the actuall 1.0b-Nighly-Builds from:
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/latest-mozilla1.8/
>

What are the versions is this directory?

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-trunk/
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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Juhani Tenhunen
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Tobias Fischer wrote:
  
On 2005-11-16 22:49, Tsahi Asher wrote:
    
is there any progress on SeaMonkey? will a 1.0 be released?
      
Yes. Robert Kaiser (KaiRo), Member of SeaMonkey-Council, has told in
[hidden email] (sorry, the post is in
german), that they are waiting to land the new Artwork for Branding
(probably the next two or three weeks) and than go ahead for SeaMonkey
1.0-Beta-Release something about a period of another one or two weeks
for QA.

After this Beta-Release, there was hope to get out the SeaMonkey-Final
as a Christmas-Gift.

For testing you can get the actuall 1.0b-Nighly-Builds from:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/latest-mozilla1.8/

    

What are the versions is this directory?

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-trunk/
  
These versions are currently latest buildings of SeaMonkey 1.5 alpha.

But what is the difference between 1.5 a and 1.0 b latest trunks, actually?

Regards,

Juhani Tenhunen
Helsinki, Finland (using Sm 1.5a 2005111609)
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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Giacomo Magnini-2
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Juhani Tenhunen wrote:
> But what is the difference between 1.5 a and 1.0 b latest trunks, actually?

1.0b and later are based on Gecko 1.8 (rendering engine), stable branch.
1.5/nightly/trunk are based on Gecko 1.9.
Cheers, Giacomo.
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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Robert Kaiser
Giacomo Magnini schrieb:
> Juhani Tenhunen wrote:
>> But what is the difference between 1.5 a and 1.0 b latest trunks,
>> actually?
>
> 1.0b and later are based on Gecko 1.8 (rendering engine), stable branch.
> 1.5/nightly/trunk are based on Gecko 1.9.
> Cheers, Giacomo.

To say it more clearly:
SeaMonkey 1.0b (Beta) nightlies are based on the quite stable Gecko 1.8,
which is very near a final release itself (presumably in a from packed
with Firefox 1.5 final). This code should not see very big changes, only
bug fixes, at the moment (though a SeaMonkey 1.1 might get based on this
code later on).

SeaMonkey 1.5a (Alpha) nightlies are from the so-called "trunk", which
is the current unstable development code, based on Gecko 1.9a1 nightly
code, which is also unstable devlopment code. Additionally, the
SeaMonkey-specific code on that "trunk" will see quite a few big changes
on the code level within the next weeks and months to come.


Note that all "nightly" code always bares the version number of the
upcoming release planned to come off that code. So when you read "Gecko
1.9a1 nightly" this means that this is some code point on the way to a
Gecko 1.9 Alpha 1 release, but this is not actually the release code
itself (yet). Same with "SeaMonkey 1.5a nightly" or "SeaMonkey 1.0b
nightly" or whatever.

Robert Kaiser
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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Robert Kaiser
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Tsahi Asher schrieb:
> is there any progress on SeaMonkey? will a 1.0 be released?

Yes.

Our current plan is to get outstanding bugs marked
"blocking-seamonkey1.0b+" fixed, the main of it being the new artwotrked
introduced along with our new logo, which is to be announced soon (we
have decided on it, and are currently preparing all imagery needed to
make builds with it available). Then we and everybody able to help will
need to test/QA the hell out of those builds, and we hope we can release
a Beta approx. one or two weeks after the artwork is in.
SeaMonkey 1.0 Beta is planned to be feature and hopefully L10n freeze
for final, only stability, security and regression fixes should go in
after that, and we need even more hands and eyes on testing those and
following builds, so that we can release 1.0 final shortly after that
and Gecko 1.8 final are out.

If further security releases to 1.0 are needed, they might be called
1.0.x, while a seperate branch from the 1.0 codebase will be used to
develop SeaMonkey 1.1, which should contain additional feature work, but
no big restructuring. See
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315312 for what we plan there.

On the other hand, "trunk" will see some big restructuring of code,
targeting a migration to the new toolkit (which means at least its UI
bindings and at most full XULRunner capability, the truth might lie
somewhere between those two), but also consolidating SeaMonkey-specific
code in the suite/ directory of the mozilla.org source tree and making
"source L10n" possible. Along with that, things like a new icon set for
the default theme ("Classic", if it'll still called that then) and new
features like the stuff from 1.1 should be seen here as well. And, not
to forget, any improvements in core/Gecko trunk code will be available
there, of course.

As you see, lots of stuff lies ahead of us, and the project is not dead
at all yet :)

Robert Kaiser

P.S.: I just realized it may be a good idea to post this in the
SeaMonkey blog at http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/seamonkey/ as well...
Maybe I should look into that :)
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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez
Robert Kaiser escribió:

> Tsahi Asher schrieb:
>> is there any progress on SeaMonkey? will a 1.0 be released?
>
> Yes.
>
> Our current plan is to get outstanding bugs marked
> "blocking-seamonkey1.0b+" fixed, the main of it being the new artwotrked
> introduced along with our new logo, which is to be announced soon (we
> have decided on it, and are currently preparing all imagery needed to
> make builds with it available). Then we and everybody able to help will
> need to test/QA the hell out of those builds,


FWIW, I've been using SeaMonkey 1.0alpha as my production environment
since it was oficially released, and I haven't experienced stability
problems AFAICT. In fact, the only annoyances I /suffer/ by using
SeaMonkey 1.0alfa is that some extensions are not (yet) working in it
(namely, Calendar and TagZilla).


>
> P.S.: I just realized it may be a good idea to post this in the
> SeaMonkey blog at http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/seamonkey/ as well...
> Maybe I should look into that :)


Nice to know that such a weblog exists... :-)

Regards.

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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Philip Chee
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:42:54 +0100, Ricardo Palomares Martinez wrote:

> FWIW, I've been using SeaMonkey 1.0alpha as my production environment
> since it was oficially released, and I haven't experienced stability
> problems AFAICT. In fact, the only annoyances I /suffer/ by using
> SeaMonkey 1.0alfa is that some extensions are not (yet) working in it
> (namely, Calendar and TagZilla).

?? I don't know about Calendar, but Tagzilla is working here with:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9a1) Gecko/20051024
SeaMonkey/1.1a

It does pop up an additional window after sending off a message that I have
to close but I can live with that.

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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Rinaldi J. Montessi-4
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Ricardo Palomares Martinez wrote:
===
> FWIW, I've been using SeaMonkey 1.0alpha as my production environment
> since it was oficially released, and I haven't experienced stability
> problems AFAICT. In fact, the only annoyances I /suffer/ by using
> SeaMonkey 1.0alfa is that some extensions are not (yet) working in it
> (namely, Calendar and TagZilla).

Calendar is a build time option:

./.mozconfig:mk_add_options MOZ_CO_PROJECT=suite,calendar
./.mozconfig:ac_add_options --enable-calendar

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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Adrian (Adrianer) Kalla
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Dnia 11/18/2005 9:42 PM, Ricardo Palomares Martinez wrote:
> FWIW, I've been using SeaMonkey 1.0alpha as my production environment
> since it was oficially released, and I haven't experienced stability
> problems AFAICT. In fact, the only annoyances I /suffer/ by using
> SeaMonkey 1.0alfa is that some extensions are not (yet) working in it
> (namely, Calendar and TagZilla).
>  

Calendar works in SeaMonkey, but you must compile an own SM build with
Calendar enabled ;)

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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez
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Philip Chee escribió:
>
> ?? I don't know about Calendar, but Tagzilla is working here with:
>
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9a1) Gecko/20051024
> SeaMonkey/1.1a
>
> It does pop up an additional window after sending off a message that I have
> to close but I can live with that.


Err... My experience is the same that the one reported in this bug:

http://bugzilla.mozdev.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11147

I can live with it, too, but it would be better if the bug get fixed.

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Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez
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Rinaldi J. Montessi escribió:
>
> Calendar is a build time option:
>
> ./.mozconfig:mk_add_options MOZ_CO_PROJECT=suite,calendar
> ./.mozconfig:ac_add_options --enable-calendar
>


Yes, I know it, but I don't know how to compile SeaMonkey itself, so
I'd rather wait till a Calendar XPI is available. ;-)

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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Tobias Fischer-2
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On 2005-11-19 22:35, Rob wrote:
[...]
> One more explanation, please.  What is the difference between versions
> available at
>
> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/     and
>
> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/ ?

The Builds available here are both built from Trunk, so they have the
Gecko 1.9a1 Revision.

The difference was that the Builds are made original from MoFo are
uploaded into the first named location, the Builds uploaded from
third-party-volunteers are going into ../contrib.
>
> I assume
> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/latest-mozilla1.8/
> is just a compilation of the latest versions available (from the dirs just
> above it) for each OS. (?)

Hmm. No, these are Gecko 1.8-Branch-Builds for Testing and have the
Release of SeaMonkey 1.0 not to far away.

Because there are currently no Tinderboxen from the MoFo available that
builds Gecko 1.8-Branch-Builds for SeaMonkey (hopefully someone can set
up some, so we can get Talkback-Enabled-Builds again. Chase?) some
People from and/or associated with SeaMonkey-Council compile the
uploaded Builds.

And like all the Third-Party-Builds they land in ../contrib


Tobias
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Christian Biesinger
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Rob wrote:
> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/     and
> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/ ?

The former contains builds made by mozilla.org; the latter contains
builds from other contributors. (Looks like it only contains OS/2 on trunk)

> I assume
> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/latest-mozilla1.8/
> is just a compilation of the latest versions available (from the dirs just
> above it) for each OS. (?)

That's correct.
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Christian Biesinger
Christian Biesinger wrote:
>> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/latest-mozilla1.8/
>>
>> is just a compilation of the latest versions available (from the dirs
>> just
>> above it) for each OS. (?)
>
> That's correct.

That is, of those builds from above that come from the 1.8 branch, of
course.

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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Philip Chee-2
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:45:43 +0100, Ricardo Palomares Martinez wrote:

> Err... My experience is the same that the one reported in this bug:
> http://bugzilla.mozdev.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11147
> I can live with it, too, but it would be better if the bug get fixed.

Ah, I don't use automatic tagline insertion. I like to check what Tagzilla
is going to insert.

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Adrian (Adrianer) Kalla
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Dnia 11/19/2005 6:47 PM, Ricardo Palomares Martinez wrote:
> Yes, I know it, but I don't know how to compile SeaMonkey itself, so
> I'd rather wait till a Calendar XPI is available. ;-)
>
>  

you can try Calendar from my build:
http://beta.aviary.pl/adrianer/calendar-20051004.xpi

P.S. I have written a script for Win32 that automaticly downloads the
latest cvs, builds the source, builds the installers and etc. ;)
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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Melchert Fruitema
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> Tobias Fischer wrote:
>  
>> On 2005-11-16 22:49, Tsahi Asher wrote:
>>    
>>> is there any progress on SeaMonkey? will a 1.0 be released?
>>>      
>> Yes. Robert Kaiser (KaiRo), Member of SeaMonkey-Council, has told in
>> <4374c16f$0$25098$[hidden email]> (sorry, the post is in
>> german), that they are waiting to land the new Artwork for Branding
>> (probably the next two or three weeks) and than go ahead for SeaMonkey
>> 1.0-Beta-Release something about a period of another one or two weeks
>> for QA.
>>
>> After this Beta-Release, there was hope to get out the SeaMonkey-Final
>> as a Christmas-Gift.
>>
>> For testing you can get the actuall 1.0b-Nighly-Builds from:
>> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/latest-mozilla1.8/
>>
>>    
>
> What are the versions is this directory?
>
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-trunk/
>  
The "About SeaMonkey" states:
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.9a1)
Gecko/20051117 SeaMonkey/1.5a

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Re: SeaMonkey progress?

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez
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Adrian (Adrianer) Kalla escribió:

> Dnia 11/19/2005 6:47 PM, Ricardo Palomares Martinez wrote:
>> Yes, I know it, but I don't know how to compile SeaMonkey itself, so
>> I'd rather wait till a Calendar XPI is available. ;-)
>>
>
> you can try Calendar from my build:
> http://beta.aviary.pl/adrianer/calendar-20051004.xpi
>
> P.S. I have written a script for Win32 that automaticly downloads the
> latest cvs, builds the source, builds the installers and etc. ;)


I'm afraid I'm using Linux at home. :-)

No problem, I still have faith in that non-working Calendar XPIs in
SeaMonkey won't probably work in Fx & Tb 1.5 either, so we won't have
to wait forever. :-)

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