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SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Robert Kaiser
Hi all,

Just as an information for people involved in SeaMonkey development, we
will freeze SeaMonkey on branch TOMORROW, Wednesday, December 14th,
2005, at 11:59 PST for 1.0 Beta.

This means the following:

1) No branch SeaMonkey patches will be allowed to go in after that point
until we release/tag 1.0 Beta, unless we come across something really
needed to be able to release that beta.

2) We'll need really heavy testing of branch nightlies after that point
to be able to release. Please download the nightlies from
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/ and
test them well, reporting bugs with a blocking-seamonkey1.0b? flag
request if you find issues that must really block the beta release. If
you want to do some really heavy testing and help with smoketests,
please join the #seamonkey channel on irc.mozilla.org

3) SeaMonkey 1.0 Beta should be released within days after that freeze,
all nightlies after that point are likely to have release candidate status.

4) This is also feature and L10n freeze for the final SeaMonkey 1.0
release that is planned to follow within weeks after beta. In this time,
only stability, security and regression fixes will be allowed, maybe
along with some minor polish, but no new features or any bigger stuff.

(BTW, this concerns the 1.8 branch for now - we'll do a followup if we
might shift over to the 1.8.0 branch for 1.0 work.)

Hoping to see a good release soon,

Robert Kaiser
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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Johannes Kastl
On 12/13/2005 9:44 PM Robert Kaiser wrote:

> 2) We'll need really heavy testing of branch nightlies after that point
> to be able to release. Please download the nightlies from
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/ and
> test them well, reporting bugs with a blocking-seamonkey1.0b? flag

Of course. Im that hungry for the release, even if it is only a beta
release yet ;-)

> Hoping to see a good release soon,

Seconded.

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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Adam Hauner
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Robert Kaiser wrote:

> 3) SeaMonkey 1.0 Beta should be released within days after that freeze,
> all nightlies after that point are likely to have release candidate status.

Any chance to release SeaMonkey 1.0 Beta with TalkBack client?

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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Robin Monks
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Hi Robert, great news!

Any chance of having incremental updates for SeaMonkey like Firefox
does?  It's makes QA so much easier.

Robin

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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Robert Kaiser
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Adam Hauner schrieb:
> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>
>> 3) SeaMonkey 1.0 Beta should be released within days after that
>> freeze, all nightlies after that point are likely to have release
>> candidate status.
>
> Any chance to release SeaMonkey 1.0 Beta with TalkBack client?

Unfortunately not, we won't have mozilla.org tinderboxen by then - and I
don't expect them for 1.0[.x] as well...

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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Robert Kaiser
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Robin Monks schrieb:
> Hi Robert, great news!
>
> Any chance of having incremental updates for SeaMonkey like Firefox
> does?  It's makes QA so much easier.

Not on any 1.8-based branch, as AFAIK we need the toolkit/EM stuff for
it, which won't get in there...

We aim to get there on trunk sometime, but we need plans and manpower
for that...

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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Robin Monks
> Not on any 1.8-based branch, as AFAIK we need the toolkit/EM stuff for
> it, which won't get in there...

> We aim to get there on trunk sometime, but we need plans and manpower
> for that...

> Robert Kaiser

Glad to hear it's on the drawing board!

Keep up the good work!

Robin

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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Robert Kaiser
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Hi all,

Here's a quick followup to SeaMonkey release state:

1) We still badly need testing of our nightlies from
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/ -
especially on Windows and Mac, where we have no full smoketests
performed yet...

2) Still, current state of testing shows that our builds should be good
enough for Beta, so expect to see that released still before Christmas...

3) Once Beta is out, we'll likely leave branch closed for a short time
try to get 1.8.0 branch to have the same code we shipped the Beta from.
 From there on, 1.8.0 branch will stay frozen on the road to SeaMonkey
1.0 final, while 1.8 branch will be less restricted and headed for a
SeaMonkey 1.1 with a few additional features.

4) We are currently working on a plan for the big trunk migration(s),
which we want to start to work on soon as well, starting with some of
the easier stuff.

Hoping to see a good release soon,

Robert Kaiser
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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Leonidas Jones
Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Here's a quick followup to SeaMonkey release state:
>
> 1) We still badly need testing of our nightlies from
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/ -
> especially on Windows and Mac, where we have no full smoketests
> performed yet...



Am I correct that the most recent Mac build is 12/15?

Downloading now.

Lee
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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Ruediger Lahl
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Robert Kaiser wrote:

> 1) We still badly need testing of our nightlies from
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/ -
> especially on Windows and Mac, where we have no full smoketests
> performed yet...

Okay, I'm testing the Windows build.

BTW: Nice Directorynames :-)
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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Robert Kaiser
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Hi,

> Am I correct that the most recent Mac build is 12/15?
>
> Downloading now.

Yes, that's the latest I have... We only had a single one-line code
change since then, which made FTP uploads work again - we'll make sure
we'll have a newer build for release that has the change, but for
testing, you shouldn't see any difference but FTP uploads not yet
working in the current build...

And, thanks for testing, BTW...

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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Leonidas Jones
Robert Kaiser wrote:

> Hi,
>
>> Am I correct that the most recent Mac build is 12/15?
>>
>> Downloading now.
>
> Yes, that's the latest I have... We only had a single one-line code
> change since then, which made FTP uploads work again - we'll make sure
> we'll have a newer build for release that has the change, but for
> testing, you shouldn't see any difference but FTP uploads not yet
> working in the current build...
>
> And, thanks for testing, BTW...
>
> Robert Kaiser

Thanks for confirming, using it now.

And you are very welcome, thank you for the work on making this a reality.

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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

"Stefan A. Möller"
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Robert Kaiser wrote:
> 2) We'll need really heavy testing of branch nightlies after that point
> to be able to release. Please download the nightlies from
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/ and
> test them well, reporting bugs with a blocking-seamonkey1.0b? flag
> request if you find issues that must really block the beta release.

Just a question... what happens to bugs marked RESOLVED FIXED, if they
have been fixed only on trunk, but not on 1.8 branch? Do they get out of
sight, or is there a sort of "1.8 branch filter" at bugzilla, that I'm
not able to find?

(e.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312287 "Cannot open
local htm file if its path has non-ASCII character". By the way, that
one should block at least 1.0 final, IMHO.)
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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Robert Kaiser
Stefan A. Möller schrieb:
> Just a question... what happens to bugs marked RESOLVED FIXED, if they
> have been fixed only on trunk, but not on 1.8 branch? Do they get out of
> sight, or is there a sort of "1.8 branch filter" at bugzilla, that I'm
> not able to find?

they usually get marked FIXED when fixed on trunk. They get the keyword
"fixed1.8" added when fixed on 1.8 branch.

> (e.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312287 "Cannot open
> local htm file if its path has non-ASCII character". By the way, that
> one should block at least 1.0 final, IMHO.)

If you think it should block, request the blocking-seamonkey1.0? flag...

Robert Kaiser
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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Kenneth Porter-2
Robert Kaiser <[hidden email]> wrote in news:do3p48$[hidden email]:

> If you think it should block, request the blocking-seamonkey1.0? flag...

I see 1.0 and 1.0b. Which do I want for this one?

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206764

Whoops, just noticed 1.0 beta announced in a later message. Does that make
the 1.0b blocker flag obsolete? I'll pull the beta and see if I get the
same bug to recur.
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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Andrew Schultz-2
Kenneth Porter wrote:

> Robert Kaiser <[hidden email]> wrote in news:do3p48$[hidden email]:
>
>> If you think it should block, request the blocking-seamonkey1.0? flag...
>
> I see 1.0 and 1.0b. Which do I want for this one?
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206764
>
> Whoops, just noticed 1.0 beta announced in a later message. Does that make
> the 1.0b blocker flag obsolete? I'll pull the beta and see if I get the
> same bug to recur.

I think the bug Boris mentioned in your previous post was
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310458.
That bug got fixed on the branch and should not exist in beta.

Do you see the problem with a clean profile?  Or a clean install (no
extensions)?

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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Kenneth Porter-2
Andrew Schultz <[hidden email]> wrote in news:do8sib$au21
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> Do you see the problem with a clean profile?  Or a clean install (no
> extensions)?

I haven't tried it with a clean profile, but I do see it with my profile
inherited from earlier. I did completely wipe the old version from Program
Files before updating, so no plugins were left over. Looks like I carried
the Prefbar extension forward, at least. Is there a good way to carry
forward my settings to a new, clean profile? And is there a way to list
installed extensions, like an about:extensions?
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Re: SeaMonkey freeze on December 14th, 11:59 PST

Leonidas Jones
Kenneth Porter wrote:

> Andrew Schultz <[hidden email]> wrote in news:do8sib$au21
> @ripley.aoltw.net:
>
>> Do you see the problem with a clean profile?  Or a clean install (no
>> extensions)?
>
> I haven't tried it with a clean profile, but I do see it with my profile
> inherited from earlier. I did completely wipe the old version from Program
> Files before updating, so no plugins were left over. Looks like I carried
> the Prefbar extension forward, at least. Is there a good way to carry
> forward my settings to a new, clean profile? And is there a way to list
> installed extensions, like an about:extensions?

Try the Extensions Manager extension:

http://mozmonkey.com/?r=extuninstall

Lee
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