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>   1. Moving some old builds from Mozilla's FTP server to an
>      offline archive (Ben Hearsum)
>   2. Tinderboxpushlog for try server (Boris Zbarsky)
>   3. Re: Tinderboxpushlog for try server (Ben Hearsum)
>   4. Re: Moving some old builds from Mozilla's FTP server to an
>      offline archive (timeless)
>   5. Re: Moving some old builds from Mozilla's FTP server to an
>      offline archive (Simon Paquet)
>   6. Re: Firefox 3.5 release candidate builds: new and exciting!
>      (prmatt11)
>   7. Re: Tinderboxpushlog for try server (Mike Connor)
>   8. Re: Tinderboxpushlog for try server (Ben Hearsum)
>   9. Re: Tinderboxpushlog for try server (L. David Baron)
>  10. Re: Tinderboxpushlog for try server (Dave Townsend)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:17:10 -0400
> From: Ben Hearsum <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Moving some old builds from Mozilla's FTP server to an
> offline archive
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> (Cross posting widely, please reply to mozilla.dev.builds)
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Over the course of the past few years we've greatly increased the number
> of builds and other files we push to Mozilla's FTP server. Despite
> having a vast amount of space available we've nearly filled it up. We'd
> like to recover quite a bit of space in one shot by archiving all
> Firefox, Thunderbird, and SeaMonkey builds from 2006 and earlier to an
> offline backup.
>
> For Firefox, this means is:
> * up to 1.5.0.10pre nightlies on the 1.8.0 branch
> * up to 2.0.0.2pre nightlies on the Mozilla 1.8 branch
> * up to 3.0a2pre on the 1.9 branch.
>
> Both 1.5.0.x and 2.0.0.x are de-supported at this point, so I don't
> expect anybody needs them. I also don't expect anyone needs 3.0a2pre
> builds.
>
> For Thunderbird, this is:
> * up to 1.5.0.10pre nightlies on the 1.8.0 branch
> * up to 2.0b1pre nightlies on the 1.8 branch
> * up to 3.0a1pre nightlies on the 1.9 branch.
>
> 1.5.0.x is de-supported at this point for Thunderbird, and 2.0b1pre and
> 3.0a1pre are pretty ancient and I suspect no one looks at this regularly.
>
> For SeaMonkey, this is:
> * 1.0.7pre nightlies on the 1.8.0 branch
> * 1.1pre nightlies on the 1.8 branch
> * 1.5a1pre nightlies on the 1.9.0 branch
> 1.0.x is unsupported at this point for SeaMonkey, and both 1.1pre and
> 1.5a1pre are very ancient, and as with Thunderbird, I suspect they
> aren't often looked at.
>
> Note that this is only nightly builds we're talking about - releases
> (including alphas and betas) will remain on FTP.
>
> Does anyone have a practical use for builds on a regular basis? Are
> there other strong objections to this?
>
> Note that if we do need to retrieve older builds for some reason they
> can be put online again (temporarily) by filing an IT bug.
>
> I'll give folks a day or two to respond to this before we go ahead with
> it.
>
> - Ben
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:26:20 -0700
> From: Boris Zbarsky <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Tinderboxpushlog for try server
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> Markus Stange has kindly put up a tinderboxpushlog for the try server at
> <http://tests.themasta.com/tinderboxpushlog/?tree=MozillaTry>.  There is
> now a link to it from the try tinderbox page.
>
> It's a little slower than the equivalent for m-c, because getting
> pushlog data for try takes so long (presumably due to the huge size of
> the repo).  It might be worth cleaning out that repo sometime in the
> near future....
>
> -Boris
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:29:59 -0400
> From: Ben Hearsum <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Tinderboxpushlog for try server
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> On 17/06/09 3:26 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
>> It's a little slower than the equivalent for m-c, because getting
>> pushlog data for try takes so long (presumably due to the huge size of
>> the repo). It might be worth cleaning out that repo sometime in the near
>> future....
>
> Slightly offtopic: We actually cleaned it out a month or two ago, after
> it stopped loading completely. We really need to get a plan in place for
> doing it regularly, though.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:03:16 +0300
> From: timeless <[hidden email]>
> To: Ben Hearsum <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Moving some old builds from Mozilla's FTP server to an
> offline archive
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> My only complaint is that http://releases does stupid redirects for
> /releases/ for versions which aren't on /releases/
> I end up being told to use ftp: or stage, both of which are things we
> shouldn't be advertising.
>
> And yes, I understand you're talking about older things.
>
> I know that bz and a few others at time go hunting. Personally I just
> pulled out 3.0.4 to get proper symbols for a stack trace posted in a
> bug report a while ago.
>
> As long as there's a place which I can easily find that has them, I
> don't mind much.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:01:47 +0200
> From: Simon Paquet <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Moving some old builds from Mozilla's FTP server to an
> offline archive
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> Ben Hearsum wrote:
>
>>(Cross posting widely, please reply to mozilla.dev.builds)
>>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>
>>Over the course of the past few years we've greatly increased the number
>>of builds and other files we push to Mozilla's FTP server. Despite
>>having a vast amount of space available we've nearly filled it up. We'd
>>like to recover quite a bit of space in one shot by archiving all
>>Firefox, Thunderbird, and SeaMonkey builds from 2006 and earlier to an
>>offline backup.
>
> Ben,
>
> if you want to, you can archive old Sunbird and Lightning nightly builds
> from 2006 as well. I seriously doubt that anyone still needs those
> builds. They are currently all located in
>
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/sunbird/nightly/2006/
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/2006/
>
> That should free up additional 40GB to 60GB (rough estimate from me) on
> the FTP server.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Simon Paquet
> --
> Thunderbird/Calendar Localisation (L10n) Coordinator
> Thunderbird l10n blog:       http://thunderbird-l10n.blogspot.com
> Calendar website maintainer: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:08:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: prmatt11 <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Firefox 3.5 release candidate builds: new and exciting!
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> On Jun 17, 12:09?pm, "John J. Barton" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>> Mike Beltzner wrote:
>> > On 17-Jun-09, at 8:56 AM, John J. Barton wrote:
>> > For your general user audience, I'd suggest you wait a couple of days
>> > until all-beta is updated with a pointer to the release candidate. Or,
>> > if you want to advise that they become Firefox beta testers, have them
>> > download Beta 4 and check for updates.
>>
>> I updated my advice with this information.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Neither of these things seem particularly hard to do, if you are
>> > willing.
>>
>> I know all of this stuff seems easy for you. But I could not figure out
>> from your original post how to get a copy of the release candidate. ?Now
>> I see that you can update 800,000 users in few minutes but to update the
>> web page takes several days. To avoid waiting on the web page, users can
>> load the old build and update it.
>>
>> It's funny that browsers and software updates are getting faster but web
>> page updates are getting slower.
>>
>> jjb
>
> Got it. Now this all makes sense. I will mainly be testing -moz-border-
> radius and-moz-box-shadow, so I will report with any bugs.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:30:31 -0700
> From: Mike Connor <[hidden email]>
> To: Ben Hearsum <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Tinderboxpushlog for try server
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
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>
>
> On 17-Jun-09, at 12:29 PM, Ben Hearsum wrote:
>
>> On 17/06/09 3:26 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
>>> It's a little slower than the equivalent for m-c, because getting
>>> pushlog data for try takes so long (presumably due to the huge size
>>> of
>>> the repo). It might be worth cleaning out that repo sometime in the
>>> near
>>> future....
>>
>> Slightly offtopic: We actually cleaned it out a month or two ago,
>> after it stopped loading completely. We really need to get a plan in
>> place for doing it regularly, though.
>
> It's just a clone of mozilla-central, can we just nuke the repo and do
> a fresh clone on a nightly basis?  Seems like this would be easy, in
> relative terms... :)
>
> -- Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:33:13 -0400
> From: Ben Hearsum <[hidden email]>
> To: Mike Connor <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Tinderboxpushlog for try server
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
>
> On 17/06/09 4:30 PM, Mike Connor wrote:
>>
>> On 17-Jun-09, at 12:29 PM, Ben Hearsum wrote:
>>
>>> On 17/06/09 3:26 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
>>>> It's a little slower than the equivalent for m-c, because getting
>>>> pushlog data for try takes so long (presumably due to the huge size of
>>>> the repo). It might be worth cleaning out that repo sometime in the
>>>> near
>>>> future....
>>>
>>> Slightly offtopic: We actually cleaned it out a month or two ago,
>>> after it stopped loading completely. We really need to get a plan in
>>> place for doing it regularly, though.
>>
>> It's just a clone of mozilla-central, can we just nuke the repo and do a
>> fresh clone on a nightly basis? Seems like this would be easy, in
>> relative terms... :)
>
> We need downtime to do it. It takes awhile to clone mozilla-central, and
> if any builds start while it's happening they'll fail.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:35:42 -0700
> From: "L. David Baron" <[hidden email]>
> To: Mike Connor <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Ben Hearsum <[hidden email]>, [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Tinderboxpushlog for try server
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Wednesday 2009-06-17 13:30 -0700, Mike Connor wrote:
>> On 17-Jun-09, at 12:29 PM, Ben Hearsum wrote:
>>> On 17/06/09 3:26 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
>>>> It's a little slower than the equivalent for m-c, because getting
>>>> pushlog data for try takes so long (presumably due to the huge size
>>>> of
>>>> the repo). It might be worth cleaning out that repo sometime in the
>>>> near
>>>> future....
>>>
>>> Slightly offtopic: We actually cleaned it out a month or two ago,
>>> after it stopped loading completely. We really need to get a plan in
>>> place for doing it regularly, though.
>>
>> It's just a clone of mozilla-central, can we just nuke the repo and do a
>> fresh clone on a nightly basis?  Seems like this would be easy, in
>> relative terms... :)
>
> It would probably be good to put pulling in mozilla-1.9.1 part of
> that automation so the first person to push a change on 1.9.1 to try
> doesn't have to push the entire history-since-branch over a
> potentially slow connection.
>
> -David
>
> --
> L. David Baron                                 http://dbaron.org/
> Mozilla Corporation                       http://www.mozilla.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:35:24 +0100
> From: Dave Townsend <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: Tinderboxpushlog for try server
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 17/06/2009 21:33, Ben Hearsum wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 17/06/09 4:30 PM, Mike Connor wrote:
>>>
>>> On 17-Jun-09, at 12:29 PM, Ben Hearsum wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17/06/09 3:26 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
>>>>> It's a little slower than the equivalent for m-c, because getting
>>>>> pushlog data for try takes so long (presumably due to the huge size of
>>>>> the repo). It might be worth cleaning out that repo sometime in the
>>>>> near
>>>>> future....
>>>>
>>>> Slightly offtopic: We actually cleaned it out a month or two ago,
>>>> after it stopped loading completely. We really need to get a plan in
>>>> place for doing it regularly, though.
>>>
>>> It's just a clone of mozilla-central, can we just nuke the repo and do a
>>> fresh clone on a nightly basis? Seems like this would be easy, in
>>> relative terms... :)
>>
>> We need downtime to do it. It takes awhile to clone mozilla-central, and
>> if any builds start while it's happening they'll fail.
>
> You can do the clone while other builds are continuing, then just move
> the old clone aside and the new one into place right?
>
>
>
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