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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Henri Sivonen
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Gervase Markham <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 1) The suckage of getting desktop (or perhaps sometimes even WAP) sites
> instead of mobile ones, and having to evangelise sites to send the right
> thing based on the "Mobile" token rather than the "Android" token.
>
> 2) The suckage of getting "install our Android app!" prompts on our
> non-Android, Open Web OS, and having to evangelise sites to search for
> "Android " instead of "Android" when displaying them.
>
> How do we decide which is less bad?

It's hard to say which problem is worse, but it's clear which problem
has the easier to pitch solution.

I think "search for the 'Mobi' when deciding whether to present the
mobile site" is an easier pitch for Web authors to accept than "if the
UA string contains Gonk, don't treat it as Android even if it says
Android when deciding whether to advertise an app". Accepting the
first pitch is generally useful across many user agents (not just B2G
and Firefox for Android but also Opera Mobile, Safari on iPhone,
Safari on iPod Touch, IE on phones, Android stock browser on phones,
Chrome on phones, N9 stock, Dolfin on Bada). The second pitch requires
adding a special case for a platform that has zero market share right
now and from the point of view of non-Brazilian sites isn't even known
to be available in the country of the Web author.

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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

JOSE MANUEL CANTERA FONSECA
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>
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>2) The suckage of getting "install our Android app!" prompts on our
>non-Android, Open Web OS, and having to evangelise sites to search for
>"Android " instead of "Android" when displaying them.

This suckage is a very good reason for not adding the Android word in the
UA string for B2G ... I can imagine bloggers making fun of that

>
>How do we decide which is less bad?
>
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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Gian-Carlo Pascutto
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On 19/06/2012 13:10, Henri Sivonen wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Gervase Markham <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> 1) The suckage of getting desktop (or perhaps sometimes even WAP) sites
>> instead of mobile ones, and having to evangelise sites to send the right
>> thing based on the "Mobile" token rather than the "Android" token.
>>
>> 2) The suckage of getting "install our Android app!" prompts on our
>> non-Android, Open Web OS, and having to evangelise sites to search for
>> "Android " instead of "Android" when displaying them.
>>
>> How do we decide which is less bad?
>
> It's hard to say which problem is worse, but it's clear which problem
> has the easier to pitch solution.

I'd argue that as long as you have a full-featured browser to view them,
the first "problem" isn't really a problem to begin with. It's an often
requested feature.

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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Marcio Galli-3
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Would be interesting to get opinion of mobile toolkit makers here,
like the folks working on jQuery mobile, and see how they see the
future and if it is a reailty that we may fall back to one size fits
all desktop&mobile methaphor. While toolkits are not the web they may
signal possible works for standards which would turn into web reality.

m

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>>
>>
>>
>>2) The suckage of getting "install our Android app!" prompts on our
>>non-Android, Open Web OS, and having to evangelise sites to search for
>>"Android " instead of "Android" when displaying them.
>
> This suckage is a very good reason for not adding the Android word in the
> UA string for B2G ... I can imagine bloggers making fun of that
>
>>
>>How do we decide which is less bad?
>>
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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Gervase Markham
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On 19/06/12 19:48, Marcio Galli wrote:
> Would be interesting to get opinion of mobile toolkit makers here,
> like the folks working on jQuery mobile, and see how they see the
> future and if it is a reailty that we may fall back to one size fits
> all desktop&mobile methaphor.

Currently, the Fennec user agent distinguishes 3 "flavours" - desktop,
mobile and tablet.

> While toolkits are not the web they may
> signal possible works for standards which would turn into web reality.

I'm sure the JQuery folk are smart people, but can you explain a bit
more about why in particular they would have useful input on the
question of whether B2G should spoof Android in the UA?

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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Lawrence Mandel-2
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As an informational point, based on information from Andreas, the mobile Web compat effort has been working with sites to recognize the Fennec UA with the knowledge that the B2G UA would be the same or have a small addition. A change in the UA for b2G will likely mean that we will have to contact some of the same sites again to for B2G.

Lawrence

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> Yes, it's User Agent string time again, this time for B2G. There is
> actually quite a bit of rough consensus, and the outstanding issue is
> one which is very difficult to get metrics on. Ideas on how to make
> this
> decision would be welcomed.
>
> There is rough consensus on the following points:
>
> - The UA should be as similar to Fennec as possible
> - The UA should not differentiate between the B2G in-built browser
> app
>   and WebRT (I believe this is now true)
> - We should say "Gonk" (the platform) and not "B2G", because B2G may
>   some day run on top of some other OS base
>
> Here are three user agents:
>
> UA1: Mozilla/5.0 (Android; Mobile; rv:12.0) Gecko/12.0 Firefox/12.0
> (Current shipping Native Fennec)
>
> UA2: Mozilla/5.0 (Gonk; Mobile; rv:12.0) Gecko/12.0 Firefox/12.0
> (Pure Gonk version)
>
> UA3: Mozilla/5.0 (Gonk, like Android; Mobile; rv:12.0) Gecko/12.0
> Firefox/12.0
> (Spoofing version)
>
> There are stats:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761873
> which show that UA1 gives us markup closest to the stock Android
> browser, with UA3 close behind, and UA2 (the one without the word
> "Android") trailing by some distance - suggesting it more often gets
> desktop sites. So that would seem to make UA3 (the more truthful of
> the
> two) the obvious choice from a compatibility perspective.
>
> However, the difficulty is this. Henri Sivonen makes the following
> point:
>
> > I think the strongest argument for not saying "Android" at all in
> > the
> > UA string for B2G would be avoiding sites showing prompts saying
> > "Please move off the Web and install our Android app instead!"
>
> When using my phone to browse the web, I've seen such prompts
> reasonably
> often. They are very irritating, even when I'm on Android and so it's
> possible to install the app. How much more irritating would they be
> if
> they appeared on B2G? I'm willing to bet that most of them are shown
> based on a grep of the UA string for "Android". Telling sites not to
> search for "Android" when looking for Android will be a hard sell.
>
> It's not easily possible to tell by grepping the web exactly how
> common
> this practice is. Nor is it possible to put a number on the negative
> impact it will have on the B2G user experience. That makes making a
> data-driven decision difficult.
>
> We are torn between two different types of suckage:
>
> 1) The suckage of getting desktop (or perhaps sometimes even WAP)
> sites
> instead of mobile ones, and having to evangelise sites to send the
> right
> thing based on the "Mobile" token rather than the "Android" token.
>
> 2) The suckage of getting "install our Android app!" prompts on our
> non-Android, Open Web OS, and having to evangelise sites to search
> for
> "Android " instead of "Android" when displaying them.
>
> How do we decide which is less bad?
>
> Gerv
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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Stormy Peters-6
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Lawrence Mandel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> As an informational point, based on information from Andreas, the mobile Web compat effort has been working with sites to recognize the Fennec UA with the knowledge that the B2G UA would be the same or have a small addition. A change in the UA for b2G will likely mean that we will have to contact some of the same sites again to for B2G.

While that would be a pain, I don't think we should limit what B2G
might be capable of.

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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Gervase Markham
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On 20/06/12 15:50, Lawrence Mandel wrote:
> As an informational point, based on information from Andreas, the
> mobile Web compat effort has been working with sites to recognize the
> Fennec UA with the knowledge that the B2G UA would be the same or
> have a small addition. A change in the UA for b2G will likely mean
> that we will have to contact some of the same sites again to for
> B2G.

We should get direct feedback from that team about what they have been
saying; but I would hope they've been telling people "Here's the Fennec
UA, but Fennec runs on platforms other than Android, so don't depend on
it saying Android".

If they've been saying "we have a new OS coming called B2G; it will
claim to be Android, but might also say something else" then I suggest
that this is not a sensible message, and they should stop! :-)

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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Mike Hommey
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On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 07:50:20AM -0700, Lawrence Mandel wrote:
> As an informational point, based on information from Andreas, the
> mobile Web compat effort has been working with sites to recognize the
> Fennec UA with the knowledge that the B2G UA would be the same or have
> a small addition. A change in the UA for b2G will likely mean that we
> will have to contact some of the same sites again to for B2G.

Does that mean they are assuming "Android" would be there?

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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Philip Chee
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On 20/06/2012 22:56, Gervase Markham wrote:

> On 20/06/12 15:50, Lawrence Mandel wrote:
>> As an informational point, based on information from Andreas, the
>> mobile Web compat effort has been working with sites to recognize the
>> Fennec UA with the knowledge that the B2G UA would be the same or
>> have a small addition. A change in the UA for b2G will likely mean
>> that we will have to contact some of the same sites again to for
>> B2G.
>
> We should get direct feedback from that team about what they have been
> saying; but I would hope they've been telling people "Here's the Fennec
> UA, but Fennec runs on platforms other than Android, so don't depend on
> it saying Android".
>
> If they've been saying "we have a new OS coming called B2G; it will
> claim to be Android, but might also say something else" then I suggest
> that this is not a sensible message, and they should stop! :-)
>
> Gerv

On today's Planet I see:

http://www.misfitgeek.com/2012/06/support-firefox-mobile-add-this-code-to-your-site-or-blog/

1.) If the visitor is using Firefox (any version) – SayTHANKS !
2.) If the visitor is not using Firefox – check to see if they are using
an Android device.
3.) If not, suggest they use Firefox.
4.) If they are using Android, suggest Firefox Mobile.

Phil

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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Dao-6
On 20.06.2012 21:08, Philip Chee wrote:

> On 20/06/2012 22:56, Gervase Markham wrote:
>> On 20/06/12 15:50, Lawrence Mandel wrote:
>>> As an informational point, based on information from Andreas, the
>>> mobile Web compat effort has been working with sites to recognize the
>>> Fennec UA with the knowledge that the B2G UA would be the same or
>>> have a small addition. A change in the UA for b2G will likely mean
>>> that we will have to contact some of the same sites again to for
>>> B2G.
>>
>> We should get direct feedback from that team about what they have been
>> saying; but I would hope they've been telling people "Here's the Fennec
>> UA, but Fennec runs on platforms other than Android, so don't depend on
>> it saying Android".
>>
>> If they've been saying "we have a new OS coming called B2G; it will
>> claim to be Android, but might also say something else" then I suggest
>> that this is not a sensible message, and they should stop! :-)
>>
>> Gerv
>
> On today's Planet I see:
>
> http://www.misfitgeek.com/2012/06/support-firefox-mobile-add-this-code-to-your-site-or-blog/
>
> 1.) If the visitor is using Firefox (any version) – SayTHANKS !
> 2.) If the visitor is not using Firefox – check to see if they are using
> an Android device.
> 3.) If not, suggest they use Firefox.
> 4.) If they are using Android, suggest Firefox Mobile.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. All of the proposed B2G UA
strings would fall into the first category ("the visitor is using Firefox").
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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Chris Hofmann-3
On 6/20/12 1:20 PM, Dao wrote:

> On 20.06.2012 21:08, Philip Chee wrote:
>> On 20/06/2012 22:56, Gervase Markham wrote:
>>> On 20/06/12 15:50, Lawrence Mandel wrote:
>>>> As an informational point, based on information from Andreas, the
>>>> mobile Web compat effort has been working with sites to recognize the
>>>> Fennec UA with the knowledge that the B2G UA would be the same or
>>>> have a small addition. A change in the UA for b2G will likely mean
>>>> that we will have to contact some of the same sites again to for
>>>> B2G.
>>>
>>> We should get direct feedback from that team about what they have been
>>> saying; but I would hope they've been telling people "Here's the Fennec
>>> UA, but Fennec runs on platforms other than Android, so don't depend on
>>> it saying Android".
>>>
>>> If they've been saying "we have a new OS coming called B2G; it will
>>> claim to be Android, but might also say something else" then I suggest
>>> that this is not a sensible message, and they should stop! :-)
>>>
>>> Gerv
>>
>> On today's Planet I see:
>>
>> http://www.misfitgeek.com/2012/06/support-firefox-mobile-add-this-code-to-your-site-or-blog/ 
>>
>>
>> 1.) If the visitor is using Firefox (any version) – SayTHANKS !
>> 2.) If the visitor is not using Firefox – check to see if they are using
>> an Android device.
>> 3.) If not, suggest they use Firefox.
>> 4.) If they are using Android, suggest Firefox Mobile.
>
> I'm not sure what you're trying to say. All of the proposed B2G UA
> strings would fall into the first category ("the visitor is using
> Firefox").

the proposals also fall under option 4.   There under some options B2G
would look just like and Android device, so the site would offer up a
Fennec Native Android installer and install package, and that probably
wouldn't deliver a very good experience.  In this case they probably
already have a Mozilla B2G browser on their Firefox phone, but there
might not be any way to tell that.

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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Schalk Neethling-7
I have followed some of this discussion but not all so, maybe I am mentioning something someone else has already but,
is there really no feature we can look for that is supported by B2G and not by FF/FF mobile?

Seeing that on B2G we have access to all the lower level aspects of the device, surely this should offer up a
feature that will be supported only on B2G?

Schalk

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Subject: Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

On 6/20/12 1:20 PM, Dao wrote:

> On 20.06.2012 21:08, Philip Chee wrote:
>> On 20/06/2012 22:56, Gervase Markham wrote:
>>> On 20/06/12 15:50, Lawrence Mandel wrote:
>>>> As an informational point, based on information from Andreas, the
>>>> mobile Web compat effort has been working with sites to recognize the
>>>> Fennec UA with the knowledge that the B2G UA would be the same or
>>>> have a small addition. A change in the UA for b2G will likely mean
>>>> that we will have to contact some of the same sites again to for
>>>> B2G.
>>>
>>> We should get direct feedback from that team about what they have been
>>> saying; but I would hope they've been telling people "Here's the Fennec
>>> UA, but Fennec runs on platforms other than Android, so don't depend on
>>> it saying Android".
>>>
>>> If they've been saying "we have a new OS coming called B2G; it will
>>> claim to be Android, but might also say something else" then I suggest
>>> that this is not a sensible message, and they should stop! :-)
>>>
>>> Gerv
>>
>> On today's Planet I see:
>>
>> http://www.misfitgeek.com/2012/06/support-firefox-mobile-add-this-code-to-your-site-or-blog/ 
>>
>>
>> 1.) If the visitor is using Firefox (any version) – SayTHANKS !
>> 2.) If the visitor is not using Firefox – check to see if they are using
>> an Android device.
>> 3.) If not, suggest they use Firefox.
>> 4.) If they are using Android, suggest Firefox Mobile.
>
> I'm not sure what you're trying to say. All of the proposed B2G UA
> strings would fall into the first category ("the visitor is using
> Firefox").

the proposals also fall under option 4.   There under some options B2G
would look just like and Android device, so the site would offer up a
Fennec Native Android installer and install package, and that probably
wouldn't deliver a very good experience.  In this case they probably
already have a Mozilla B2G browser on their Firefox phone, but there
might not be any way to tell that.

-chofmann
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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Dao-6
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On 20.06.2012 22:48, chris hofmann wrote:

> On 6/20/12 1:20 PM, Dao wrote:
>> On 20.06.2012 21:08, Philip Chee wrote:
>>> On 20/06/2012 22:56, Gervase Markham wrote:
>>>> On 20/06/12 15:50, Lawrence Mandel wrote:
>>>>> As an informational point, based on information from Andreas, the
>>>>> mobile Web compat effort has been working with sites to recognize the
>>>>> Fennec UA with the knowledge that the B2G UA would be the same or
>>>>> have a small addition. A change in the UA for b2G will likely mean
>>>>> that we will have to contact some of the same sites again to for
>>>>> B2G.
>>>>
>>>> We should get direct feedback from that team about what they have been
>>>> saying; but I would hope they've been telling people "Here's the Fennec
>>>> UA, but Fennec runs on platforms other than Android, so don't depend on
>>>> it saying Android".
>>>>
>>>> If they've been saying "we have a new OS coming called B2G; it will
>>>> claim to be Android, but might also say something else" then I suggest
>>>> that this is not a sensible message, and they should stop! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Gerv
>>>
>>> On today's Planet I see:
>>>
>>> http://www.misfitgeek.com/2012/06/support-firefox-mobile-add-this-code-to-your-site-or-blog/
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.) If the visitor is using Firefox (any version) – SayTHANKS !
>>> 2.) If the visitor is not using Firefox – check to see if they are using
>>> an Android device.
>>> 3.) If not, suggest they use Firefox.
>>> 4.) If they are using Android, suggest Firefox Mobile.
>>
>> I'm not sure what you're trying to say. All of the proposed B2G UA
>> strings would fall into the first category ("the visitor is using
>> Firefox").
>
> the proposals also fall under option 4.

4 is about Android browsers that aren't Firefox. In other words, it
won't be reached if 1 is satisfied.
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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Lawrence Mandel-2
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----- Original Message -----

> On 20/06/12 15:50, Lawrence Mandel wrote:
> > As an informational point, based on information from Andreas, the
> > mobile Web compat effort has been working with sites to recognize
> > the
> > Fennec UA with the knowledge that the B2G UA would be the same or
> > have a small addition. A change in the UA for b2G will likely mean
> > that we will have to contact some of the same sites again to for
> > B2G.
>
> We should get direct feedback from that team about what they have
> been
> saying;

The team has been speaking with various companies about updating their mobile sites to work with rendering engines other than webkit. We have been sharing the Fennec UA (that's all we have to run with at this point). While the recommended approach is for sites to adapt to available functionality, we can't mandate that sites stop sniffing the UA as the method to determine which browser should be served mobile content. In many cases that's exactly what they're doing.

>but I would hope they've been telling people "Here's the
> Fennec
> UA, but Fennec runs on platforms other than Android, so don't depend
> on
> it saying Android".

To what other platforms are you referring and what is the UA for Fennec on those platforms?

>
> If they've been saying "we have a new OS coming called B2G; it will
> claim to be Android, but might also say something else" then I
> suggest
> that this is not a sensible message, and they should stop! :-)
>

Agreed! And, nope. Not saying that.

Lawrence
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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Lawrence Mandel-2
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----- Original Message -----

> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 07:50:20AM -0700, Lawrence Mandel wrote:
> > As an informational point, based on information from Andreas, the
> > mobile Web compat effort has been working with sites to recognize
> > the
> > Fennec UA with the knowledge that the B2G UA would be the same or
> > have
> > a small addition. A change in the UA for b2G will likely mean that
> > we
> > will have to contact some of the same sites again to for B2G.
>
> Does that mean they are assuming "Android" would be there?

Yes.
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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Henri Sivonen
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Lawrence Mandel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The team has been speaking with various companies about updating their mobile sites to work with rendering engines other than webkit. We have been sharing the Fennec UA (that's all we have to run with at this point). While the recommended approach is for sites to adapt to available functionality, we can't mandate that sites stop sniffing the UA as the method to determine which browser should be served mobile content. In many cases that's exactly what they're doing.

We have the "Mobile" token in the string for a reason. I think it's a
problem if our evangelism hasn't been saying "Pay attention to
'Mobile' and 'Tablet'; don't focus on the 'Android' part."

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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Matt Brubeck-3
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On 06/20/2012 10:14 PM, Lawrence Mandel wrote:
>> but I would hope they've been telling people "Here's the
>> Fennec
>> UA, but Fennec runs on platforms other than Android, so don't depend
>> on
>> it saying Android".
>
> To what other platforms are you referring and what is the UA for Fennec on those platforms?

Firefox 13 for MeeGo is actively maintained and is in Nokia's Ovi store.
  I believe the UA on MeeGo is:

Mozilla/5.0 (MeeGo; Linux armv7l; rv:13.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/13.0
Fennec/13.0

(Ideally that would include "Mobile" or "Tablet", but bug 671634 was
implemented only on Android.  Also note that the "Gecko" token differs
from Android because bug 729348 was WONTFIXED.)

Older versions of Fennec also ran on Maemo, Windows Mobile, and on
desktop platforms, but those are no longer maintained.  Experimental
builds have run on iOS and webOS.  Future versions may run on other
platforms.

Certainly any evangelism we are doing should be explicitly telling sites
*not* to look for "Android" in the UA.  If this is not the case, please
change it immediately!
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Lawrence Mandel-2
> Certainly any evangelism we are doing should be explicitly telling
> sites
> *not* to look for "Android" in the UA.  If this is not the case,
> please
> change it immediately!

I will follow up with everyone involved and ensure that this point is clear.

I think I've taken this thread about the B2G UA off course far enough. We should start a new thread for any further discussion about evangelism.

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Re: [b2g] B2G User Agent

Daniel Veditz-2
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On 6/20/12 2:06 PM, Schalk Neethling wrote:
> Seeing that on B2G we have access to all the lower level aspects
> of the device, surely this should offer up a feature that will be
> supported only on B2G?

Trusted and Certified apps will have access to extra capabilities on
B2G, but there shouldn't be anything we expose to web pages through
the B2G browser that we don't/can't expose on Firefox Mobile (and
Desktop where the feature exists).
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