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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

nobody-39
On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
> 5:03 PM:
>> On 10/17/2012 10:01 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us with on
>>> 10/17/2012 6:16 AM:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 9:00:34 PM UTC-4, WaltS wrote:
>>>>> On 10/09/2012 05:43 PM, nobody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When on a web page I often want to shar it with others.  Up until
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> version there was an option in the r-click menu to "send link" which
>>>>>> worked well for this behavior.  It is gone in this version.  One can
>>>>>> still go to the file menu and "email link" but I see no way to do if
>>>>>> from the r-click menu.  Am I missing something?  I wonder why it was
>>>>>> removed...
>>>>>
>>>>> Removed from the context menu, and replaced by Email link in the file
>>>>> menu.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the new feature doesn't do what the old one did.  Very
>>>> nice.  Oh well.  Chrome, here I come.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>
>> Look up two posts.  How would one send a link from within a page?
>
> I had already responded earlier to that aspect; however, it wasn't at
> all clear that that was what cplager was referring to since it does open
> the email client with the current URL. Thus, the reason for my inquiry.
>
> In effect, ask a vague question, expect to get an inquiry requesting
> clarification.
>>
>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>
> To you. Mountain -> molehill to me.

I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>
>> It isn't sending me to a different browser, just reducing my
>> appreciation of this one.
>>
> Remember to submit feedback to that effect.

Not that I expect it to matter, but I have done so.
>
> followup mozilla.general
>

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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

Sailfish-2
My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
6:03 PM:
> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
>> 5:03 PM:

[snip /]

>>>
>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>
>> To you. Mountain -> molehill to me.
>
> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?

You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance of a
particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated, the
Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12

So, in the case of this feature, it's more like the removal of the dual
car lighter sockets (one on dash, other in console compartment.) Sure,
it's less than what a previous model had but since the 2nd one was
seldom used by the vast majority, its removal wasn't a big deal.
>>
>>> It isn't sending me to a different browser, just reducing my
>>> appreciation of this one.
>>>
>> Remember to submit feedback to that effect.
>
> Not that I expect it to matter, but I have done so.
>>
It kind of like voting for a fiscal-conservative in California, it may
not change anything but worth the effort, anyway. =)

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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

Ron Hunter
On 10/17/2012 10:07 PM, Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
> 6:03 PM:
>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
>>> 5:03 PM:
>
> [snip /]
>
>>>>
>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>
>>> To you. Mountain -> molehill to me.
>>
>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>
> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance of a
> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated, the
> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>
> So, in the case of this feature, it's more like the removal of the dual
> car lighter sockets (one on dash, other in console compartment.) Sure,
> it's less than what a previous model had but since the 2nd one was
> seldom used by the vast majority, its removal wasn't a big deal.
>>>
>>>> It isn't sending me to a different browser, just reducing my
>>>> appreciation of this one.
>>>>
>>> Remember to submit feedback to that effect.
>>
>> Not that I expect it to matter, but I have done so.
>>>
> It kind of like voting for a fiscal-conservative in California, it may
> not change anything but worth the effort, anyway. =)
>
Hey, my car has two in the ash tray, and I often use both of them during
trips, one for the GPS, and the other to keep the cell phones charged.
I even have a phone charger that has two USB type outlets so both phones
can charge at the same time.  Grin.

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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

Sailfish-2
My bloviated meandering follows what Ron Hunter graced us with on
10/18/2012 12:59 AM:

> On 10/17/2012 10:07 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
>> 6:03 PM:
>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>
>> [snip /]
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>> To you. Mountain -> molehill to me.
>>>
>>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>
>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance of a
>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated, the
>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>>
>> So, in the case of this feature, it's more like the removal of the dual
>> car lighter sockets (one on dash, other in console compartment.) Sure,
>> it's less than what a previous model had but since the 2nd one was
>> seldom used by the vast majority, its removal wasn't a big deal.
>>>>
>>>>> It isn't sending me to a different browser, just reducing my
>>>>> appreciation of this one.
>>>>>
>>>> Remember to submit feedback to that effect.
>>>
>>> Not that I expect it to matter, but I have done so.
>>>>
>> It kind of like voting for a fiscal-conservative in California, it may
>> not change anything but worth the effort, anyway. =)
>>
> Hey, my car has two in the ash tray, and I often use both of them during
> trips, one for the GPS, and the other to keep the cell phones charged. I
> even have a phone charger that has two USB type outlets so both phones
> can charge at the same time.  Grin.
>
I never said it wasn't EVER needed, only that it's not needed for the
vast majority of drivers. For those who need the extra power socket,
there's always something like this,
http://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Original-0900-79-Splitter-Charging/dp/B000QFNMWC/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1350569244&sr=8-10&keywords=car+power+socket+extender

Or, perhaps in your case,
http://www.amazon.com/Satechi-CHR-61-Extender-Charger-Adapter/dp/B004JPD8ZG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350569244&sr=8-1&keywords=car+power+socket+extender 
:P

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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

Ron Hunter
On 10/18/2012 9:09 AM, Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what Ron Hunter graced us with on
> 10/18/2012 12:59 AM:
>> On 10/17/2012 10:07 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
>>> 6:03 PM:
>>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>>
>>> [snip /]
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>> To you. Mountain -> molehill to me.
>>>>
>>>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
>>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
>>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>>
>>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance of a
>>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated, the
>>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>>>
>>> So, in the case of this feature, it's more like the removal of the dual
>>> car lighter sockets (one on dash, other in console compartment.) Sure,
>>> it's less than what a previous model had but since the 2nd one was
>>> seldom used by the vast majority, its removal wasn't a big deal.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It isn't sending me to a different browser, just reducing my
>>>>>> appreciation of this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Remember to submit feedback to that effect.
>>>>
>>>> Not that I expect it to matter, but I have done so.
>>>>>
>>> It kind of like voting for a fiscal-conservative in California, it may
>>> not change anything but worth the effort, anyway. =)
>>>
>> Hey, my car has two in the ash tray, and I often use both of them
>> during trips, one for the GPS, and the other to keep the cell phones
>> charged. I even have a phone charger that has two USB type outlets so
>> both phones can charge at the same time.  Grin.
>>
> I never said it wasn't EVER needed, only that it's not needed for the
> vast majority of drivers. For those who need the extra power socket,
> there's always something like this,
> http://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Original-0900-79-Splitter-Charging/dp/B000QFNMWC/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1350569244&sr=8-10&keywords=car+power+socket+extender
>
>
> Or, perhaps in your case,
> http://www.amazon.com/Satechi-CHR-61-Extender-Charger-Adapter/dp/B004JPD8ZG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350569244&sr=8-1&keywords=car+power+socket+extender
> :P
>
I have a device that plugs into one of the sockets, and has two 12 volt
sockets, and two USB jacks, but it takes up a bit more room than the
others, so it is a last resort.

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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

F1Com
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On 10/17/2012 8:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard

> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
> 6:03 PM:
>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
>>> 5:03 PM:
>
> [snip /]
>
>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>
>>> To you. Mountain ->  molehill to me.
>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>
> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance of a
> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated, the
> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>

And just how many allowed TP in the first place?  It isn't on any
machine I've touched.

Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.


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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

Sailfish-2
My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
with on 10/18/2012 6:22 PM:

> On 10/17/2012 8:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
>> 6:03 PM:
>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>
>> [snip /]
>>
>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>> To you. Mountain ->  molehill to me.
>>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>
>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance of a
>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated, the
>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>
> And just how many allowed TP in the first place?  It isn't on any
> machine I've touched.
>
> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>
Dunno, but there has to be some way (https://twitter.com/weinjared) one
might be able to ask him if they're that interested?

So, do you use it regularly and, if so, is having it the same number of
clicks away in the File menu that much more cumbersome?

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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

Ron Hunter
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On 10/18/2012 8:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> On 10/17/2012 8:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
>> 6:03 PM:
>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>
>> [snip /]
>>
>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>> To you. Mountain ->  molehill to me.
>>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>
>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance of a
>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated, the
>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>>
>
> And just how many allowed TP in the first place?  It isn't on any
> machine I've touched.
>
> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>
>
> Terry
It is on my beta versions, by default.  Maybe beta testers aren't
'representative' of average users...

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F1Com
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On 10/18/2012 6:50 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard

> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
> with on 10/18/2012 6:22 PM:

>> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>>
> Dunno, but there has to be some way (https://twitter.com/weinjared) one
> might be able to ask him if they're that interested?
>
> So, do you use it regularly and, if so, is having it the same number of
> clicks away in the File menu that much more cumbersome?
>

Do I use TP?  Never.


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On 10/19/2012 1:48 AM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard

> On 10/18/2012 8:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> On 10/17/2012 8:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
>>> 6:03 PM:
>>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>> [snip /]
>>>
>>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>> To you. Mountain ->   molehill to me.
>>>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
>>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
>>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance of a
>>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated, the
>>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>>>
>> And just how many allowed TP in the first place?  It isn't on any
>> machine I've touched.
>>
>> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>>
>>
> It is on my beta versions, by default.  Maybe beta testers aren't
> 'representative' of average users...
>

Do you use it?


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Ron Hunter
On 10/19/2012 10:02 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> On 10/19/2012 1:48 AM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> On 10/18/2012 8:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>> On 10/17/2012 8:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>> 6:03 PM:
>>>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>>> [snip /]
>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> To you. Mountain ->   molehill to me.
>>>>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>>>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
>>>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
>>>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance
>>>> of a
>>>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated,
>>>> the
>>>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>>>>
>>> And just how many allowed TP in the first place?  It isn't on any
>>> machine I've touched.
>>>
>>> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>>>
>>>
>> It is on my beta versions, by default.  Maybe beta testers aren't
>> 'representative' of average users...
>>
>
> Do you use it?
>
>
> Terry
It monitors things they devs tell it to.  I check the numbers when it is
doing something I care about.

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On 10/19/2012 11:02 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> On 10/19/2012 1:48 AM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> On 10/18/2012 8:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>> On 10/17/2012 8:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
>>>> 6:03 PM:
>>>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>>> [snip /]
>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> To you. Mountain ->   molehill to me.
>>>>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>>>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
>>>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
>>>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance of a
>>>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated, the
>>>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>>>>
>>> And just how many allowed TP in the first place?  It isn't on any
>>> machine I've touched.
>>>
>>> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>>>
>>>
>> It is on my beta versions, by default.  Maybe beta testers aren't
>> 'representative' of average users...
>>
>
> Do you use it?
>
>
> Terry
>

Test Pilot 1.3.9 for Thunderbird is installed and enabled on my
Thunderbird 17.0b1, but I have never received a request to participate
in any test cases, using any version.

Under Notifications, I have it configured to Notify me when there's a
new study, and under Data Submission, Always submit my data (don't ask
me) is not checked.

No Current, Finished or Submitted studies appear. Looks like it isn't
used, and I am going to remove it.

Just installed and enabled Test Pilot 1.2.2 for Firefox in my Firefox
17.0b1, with the same settings as TB, and have Finished, and Submitted
studies showing. The last one appears to be submitted in 2010.

I missed this one. https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/testcases/perception

Maybe you should have participated. :)

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with on 10/19/2012 8:02 AM:

> On 10/18/2012 6:50 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>> with on 10/18/2012 6:22 PM:
>
>>> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>>>
>> Dunno, but there has to be some way (https://twitter.com/weinjared) one
>> might be able to ask him if they're that interested?
>>
>> So, do you use it regularly and, if so, is having it the same number of
>> clicks away in the File menu that much more cumbersome?
>
> Do I use TP?  Never.
>
No, do/did you use the Fx Send Email content window context-menu option?

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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

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On 10/19/2012 11:38 AM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard

> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
> with on 10/19/2012 8:02 AM:
>> On 10/18/2012 6:50 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
>>> with on 10/18/2012 6:22 PM:
>>>> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>>>>
>>> Dunno, but there has to be some way (https://twitter.com/weinjared) one
>>> might be able to ask him if they're that interested?
>>>
>>> So, do you use it regularly and, if so, is having it the same number of
>>> clicks away in the File menu that much more cumbersome?
>> Do I use TP?  Never.
>>
> No, do/did you use the Fx Send Email content window context-menu option?
>

Since I don't use FF on a daily basis, no.  I always copy and paste
links anyway.


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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

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On 10/19/2012 9:03 AM On a whim, WaltS pounded out on the keyboard

> On 10/19/2012 11:02 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> On 10/19/2012 1:48 AM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> On 10/18/2012 8:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>> On 10/17/2012 8:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
>>>>> 6:03 PM:
>>>>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>>>> [snip /]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>>>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>>>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To you. Mountain ->    molehill to me.
>>>>>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>>>>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
>>>>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
>>>>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>>>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance of a
>>>>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated, the
>>>>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
>>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>>>>>
>>>> And just how many allowed TP in the first place?  It isn't on any
>>>> machine I've touched.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It is on my beta versions, by default.  Maybe beta testers aren't
>>> 'representative' of average users...
>>>
>> Do you use it?
>>
>>
>> Terry
>>
>
> Test Pilot 1.3.9 for Thunderbird is installed and enabled on my
> Thunderbird 17.0b1, but I have never received a request to participate
> in any test cases, using any version.
>
> Under Notifications, I have it configured to Notify me when there's a
> new study, and under Data Submission, Always submit my data (don't ask
> me) is not checked.
>
> No Current, Finished or Submitted studies appear. Looks like it isn't
> used, and I am going to remove it.
>
> Just installed and enabled Test Pilot 1.2.2 for Firefox in my Firefox
> 17.0b1, with the same settings as TB, and have Finished, and Submitted
> studies showing. The last one appears to be submitted in 2010.
>
> I missed this one. https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/testcases/perception
>
> Maybe you should have participated. :)
>

So where exactly is the data that caused them to make the change if TP
isn't working?


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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

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On 10/22/2012 07:37 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> On 10/19/2012 9:03 AM On a whim, WaltS pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> On 10/19/2012 11:02 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>> On 10/19/2012 1:48 AM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> On 10/18/2012 8:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>> On 10/17/2012 8:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>>
>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on 10/17/2012
>>>>>> 6:03 PM:
>>>>>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>>>>> [snip /]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by people
>>>>>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.  Reducing
>>>>>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To you. Mountain ->    molehill to me.
>>>>>>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>>>>>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you suggest
>>>>>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same level of
>>>>>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>>>>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the importance of a
>>>>>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already indicated, the
>>>>>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used, ref:
>>>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>>>>>>
>>>>> And just how many allowed TP in the first place?  It isn't on any
>>>>> machine I've touched.
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It is on my beta versions, by default.  Maybe beta testers aren't
>>>> 'representative' of average users...
>>>>
>>> Do you use it?
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>
>> Test Pilot 1.3.9 for Thunderbird is installed and enabled on my
>> Thunderbird 17.0b1, but I have never received a request to participate
>> in any test cases, using any version.
>>
>> Under Notifications, I have it configured to Notify me when there's a
>> new study, and under Data Submission, Always submit my data (don't ask
>> me) is not checked.
>>
>> No Current, Finished or Submitted studies appear. Looks like it isn't
>> used, and I am going to remove it.
>>
>> Just installed and enabled Test Pilot 1.2.2 for Firefox in my Firefox
>> 17.0b1, with the same settings as TB, and have Finished, and Submitted
>> studies showing. The last one appears to be submitted in 2010.
>>
>> I missed this one. https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/testcases/perception
>>
>> Maybe you should have participated. :)
>>
>
> So where exactly is the data that caused them to make the change if TP
> isn't working?
>
>
> Terry
>

Probably here. Send Link is 1%

https://heatmap.mozillalabs.com/

Here is a 2012 study.

https://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2012/06/firefox-heatmap-study-2012-results-are-in/


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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

Ron Hunter
On 10/22/2012 7:15 PM, WaltS wrote:

> On 10/22/2012 07:37 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> On 10/19/2012 9:03 AM On a whim, WaltS pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> On 10/19/2012 11:02 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/2012 1:48 AM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/18/2012 8:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/17/2012 8:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>>>> 6:03 PM:
>>>>>>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>>>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>>>>>> [snip /]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.
>>>>>>>>>> Reducing
>>>>>>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To you. Mountain ->    molehill to me.
>>>>>>>> I get that.  The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>>>>>>> matter to you either.  It certainly matters to me.  Would you
>>>>>>>> suggest
>>>>>>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same
>>>>>>>> level of
>>>>>>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>>>>>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the
>>>>>>> importance of a
>>>>>>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already
>>>>>>> indicated, the
>>>>>>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used,
>>>>>>> ref:
>>>>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And just how many allowed TP in the first place?  It isn't on any
>>>>>> machine I've touched.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> It is on my beta versions, by default.  Maybe beta testers aren't
>>>>> 'representative' of average users...
>>>>>
>>>> Do you use it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Terry
>>>>
>>>
>>> Test Pilot 1.3.9 for Thunderbird is installed and enabled on my
>>> Thunderbird 17.0b1, but I have never received a request to participate
>>> in any test cases, using any version.
>>>
>>> Under Notifications, I have it configured to Notify me when there's a
>>> new study, and under Data Submission, Always submit my data (don't ask
>>> me) is not checked.
>>>
>>> No Current, Finished or Submitted studies appear. Looks like it isn't
>>> used, and I am going to remove it.
>>>
>>> Just installed and enabled Test Pilot 1.2.2 for Firefox in my Firefox
>>> 17.0b1, with the same settings as TB, and have Finished, and Submitted
>>> studies showing. The last one appears to be submitted in 2010.
>>>
>>> I missed this one.
>>> https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/testcases/perception
>>>
>>> Maybe you should have participated. :)
>>>
>>
>> So where exactly is the data that caused them to make the change if TP
>> isn't working?
>>
>>
>> Terry
>>
>
> Probably here. Send Link is 1%
>
> https://heatmap.mozillalabs.com/
>
> Here is a 2012 study.
>
> https://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2012/06/firefox-heatmap-study-2012-results-are-in/
>
>
>
Interesting that almost 90% use the new tab button, which I never have
used except to test the function.  When I need a new tab, it is because
I am clicking a link.  In fact, of the functions listed as most used in
the second link you gave, I don't use ANY of them.  The 'home' button
isn't even on my UI as 'home' is google, and that's on my bookmarks
toolbar.  Everyone seems to use the program differently.

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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

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Ron Hunter wrote:

> On 10/22/2012 7:15 PM, WaltS wrote:
>> On 10/22/2012 07:37 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>> On 10/19/2012 9:03 AM On a whim, WaltS pounded out on the keyboard
>>>
>>>> On 10/19/2012 11:02 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>> On 10/19/2012 1:48 AM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the
>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/18/2012 8:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/17/2012 8:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the
>>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>>>>> 6:03 PM:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>>>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>>>>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>>>>>>> [snip /]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Reducing
>>>>>>>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is meaningless.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To you. Mountain -> molehill to me.
>>>>>>>>> I get that. The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>>>>>>>> matter to you either. It certainly matters to me. Would you
>>>>>>>>> suggest
>>>>>>>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same
>>>>>>>>> level of
>>>>>>>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>>>>>>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the
>>>>>>>> importance of a
>>>>>>>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already
>>>>>>>> indicated, the
>>>>>>>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used,
>>>>>>>> ref:
>>>>>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And just how many allowed TP in the first place? It isn't on any
>>>>>>> machine I've touched.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is on my beta versions, by default. Maybe beta testers aren't
>>>>>> 'representative' of average users...
>>>>>>
>>>>> Do you use it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Terry
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Test Pilot 1.3.9 for Thunderbird is installed and enabled on my
>>>> Thunderbird 17.0b1, but I have never received a request to participate
>>>> in any test cases, using any version.
>>>>
>>>> Under Notifications, I have it configured to Notify me when there's a
>>>> new study, and under Data Submission, Always submit my data (don't ask
>>>> me) is not checked.
>>>>
>>>> No Current, Finished or Submitted studies appear. Looks like it isn't
>>>> used, and I am going to remove it.
>>>>
>>>> Just installed and enabled Test Pilot 1.2.2 for Firefox in my Firefox
>>>> 17.0b1, with the same settings as TB, and have Finished, and Submitted
>>>> studies showing. The last one appears to be submitted in 2010.
>>>>
>>>> I missed this one.
>>>> https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/testcases/perception
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you should have participated. :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> So where exactly is the data that caused them to make the change if TP
>>> isn't working?
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>
>> Probably here. Send Link is 1%
>>
>> https://heatmap.mozillalabs.com/
>>
>> Here is a 2012 study.
>>
>> https://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2012/06/firefox-heatmap-study-2012-results-are-in/
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Interesting that almost 90% use the new tab button, which I never have
> used except to test the function. When I need a new tab, it is because I
> am clicking a link. In fact, of the functions listed as most used in the
> second link you gave, I don't use ANY of them. The 'home' button isn't
> even on my UI as 'home' is google, and that's on my bookmarks toolbar.
> Everyone seems to use the program differently.
>
I never ever use tabs.

how about removing tabs. The waste memory  and I don't work
multi-tasking where I've go to switch back and for to ten different
veiws in 10 seconds. I work on one thing at a time so that I can try to
do it well.

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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

Ron Hunter
On 10/23/2012 12:54 AM, PhillipJones wrote:

> Ron Hunter wrote:
>> On 10/22/2012 7:15 PM, WaltS wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2012 07:37 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/2012 9:03 AM On a whim, WaltS pounded out on the keyboard
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/19/2012 11:02 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/19/2012 1:48 AM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the
>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/18/2012 8:22 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/17/2012 8:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the
>>>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>>>>>> 6:03 PM:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/17/2012 7:39 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what nobody graced us with on
>>>>>>>>>>> 10/17/2012
>>>>>>>>>>> 5:03 PM:
>>>>>>>>> [snip /]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is another very unfortunate change motivated by
>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> who don't use the feature and ignoring other users needs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reducing
>>>>>>>>>>>> the number of items in the r-click menu (by one) is
>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To you. Mountain -> molehill to me.
>>>>>>>>>> I get that. The guy that backed into my car the other day doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> matter to you either. It certainly matters to me. Would you
>>>>>>>>>> suggest
>>>>>>>>>> that one more item on the context menu for you is on the same
>>>>>>>>>> level of
>>>>>>>>>> significance as the removal of a feature I use daily is to me?
>>>>>>>>> You read too much into my reply. I merely meant that the
>>>>>>>>> importance of a
>>>>>>>>> particular feature is relative to users. As Chris already
>>>>>>>>> indicated, the
>>>>>>>>> Test Pilot data indicated that the feature was very seldom used,
>>>>>>>>> ref:
>>>>>>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239307#c12
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And just how many allowed TP in the first place? It isn't on any
>>>>>>>> machine I've touched.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clearly the devs do what they want, regardless of what Chris says.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is on my beta versions, by default. Maybe beta testers aren't
>>>>>>> 'representative' of average users...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you use it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Terry
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Test Pilot 1.3.9 for Thunderbird is installed and enabled on my
>>>>> Thunderbird 17.0b1, but I have never received a request to participate
>>>>> in any test cases, using any version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Under Notifications, I have it configured to Notify me when there's a
>>>>> new study, and under Data Submission, Always submit my data (don't ask
>>>>> me) is not checked.
>>>>>
>>>>> No Current, Finished or Submitted studies appear. Looks like it isn't
>>>>> used, and I am going to remove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just installed and enabled Test Pilot 1.2.2 for Firefox in my Firefox
>>>>> 17.0b1, with the same settings as TB, and have Finished, and Submitted
>>>>> studies showing. The last one appears to be submitted in 2010.
>>>>>
>>>>> I missed this one.
>>>>> https://testpilot.mozillalabs.com/testcases/perception
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you should have participated. :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So where exactly is the data that caused them to make the change if TP
>>>> isn't working?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Terry
>>>>
>>>
>>> Probably here. Send Link is 1%
>>>
>>> https://heatmap.mozillalabs.com/
>>>
>>> Here is a 2012 study.
>>>
>>> https://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2012/06/firefox-heatmap-study-2012-results-are-in/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Interesting that almost 90% use the new tab button, which I never have
>> used except to test the function. When I need a new tab, it is because I
>> am clicking a link. In fact, of the functions listed as most used in the
>> second link you gave, I don't use ANY of them. The 'home' button isn't
>> even on my UI as 'home' is google, and that's on my bookmarks toolbar.
>> Everyone seems to use the program differently.
>>
> I never ever use tabs.
>
> how about removing tabs. The waste memory  and I don't work
> multi-tasking where I've go to switch back and for to ten different
> veiws in 10 seconds. I work on one thing at a time so that I can try to
> do it well.
>
Tabs conserve memory compared with having to use separate windows to
show multiple pages.  I use tabs, but sparingly.

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Re: FF 16 missing "send link"

F1Com
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On 10/22/2012 5:15 PM On a whim, WaltS pounded out on the keyboard

> On 10/22/2012 07:37 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> So where exactly is the data that caused them to make the change if TP
>> isn't working?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Probably here. Send Link is 1%
>
> https://heatmap.mozillalabs.com/
>
> Here is a 2012 study.
>
> https://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2012/06/firefox-heatmap-study-2012-results-are-in/
>
>

The point is, it's "mice nuts".  Just like removing the "Tabs on Top" in
the right click option for the toolbars.

Changes like that seem like play-yard power plays.  They do it because
they can.


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