Pontoon: Subpar matching in suggestions

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Pontoon: Subpar matching in suggestions

Jordi Serratosa
Hi,

Take a look to this existintg string:

> Some websites use trackers that can monitor your activity across the
> Internet. With Tracking Protection Firefox will block many trackers
> that can collect information about your browsing behavior.
https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ca/firefox/all-resources/?string=152174

and this new string:

> Some websites use trackers that can monitor your activity across the
> Internet. In private windows Firefox Content Blocking automatically
> blocks many trackers that can collect information about your browsing
> behavior.
https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ca/firefox/all-resources/?string=189818

Pontoon does not offer any machinery suggestion. Note the differences
between the 2 strings (underlined):

> Some websites use trackers that can monitor your activity across the
> Internet. _In private windows Firefox Content Blocking automatically
> blocks_ many trackers that can collect information about your browsing
> behavior.
[the new string is untranslated so that you can see that no suggestion
is offered]

In my opinion, the existing string is a great candidate for a machinery
suggestion but alas! the translator has to retranslate the whole string
again. This is a major time waster. I've seen the same behaviour in
other strings too.

If the string is considered to be too long for Pontoon's fuzzy matching
process, please reconsider the length limit. It is precisely in long
strings where the suggestions are more welcome. In my opinion, reusing
existing translations should be a priority in Pontoon so that we do not
feel that we are retranslating the same over and over again.

salut,
jordi s


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Re: Pontoon: Subpar matching in suggestions

Jordi Serratosa
Hi,

Another area where Pontoon fails, as far as string matching is
concerned, is when the existin string is in FTL format the the new
string is not.

The following 2 strings are a 100% match, but Pontoon does not offer any
suggestion:

> Slow-Loading Trackers
Existing (FTL):
https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ca/firefox/all-resources/?string=189840
New (non-FTL):
https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ca/firefox/all-resources/?string=189388

Could this be addressed? This might cause inconsistencies, waste of time
and frustration.

salut,
jordi s


El 01/09/2018 a les 17:18, Jordi Serratosa ha escrit:

>
> Hi,
>
> Take a look to this existintg string:
>
>> Some websites use trackers that can monitor your activity across the
>> Internet. With Tracking Protection Firefox will block many trackers
>> that can collect information about your browsing behavior.
> https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ca/firefox/all-resources/?string=152174
>
> and this new string:
>
>> Some websites use trackers that can monitor your activity across the
>> Internet. In private windows Firefox Content Blocking automatically
>> blocks many trackers that can collect information about your browsing
>> behavior.
> https://pontoon.mozilla.org/ca/firefox/all-resources/?string=189818
>
> Pontoon does not offer any machinery suggestion. Note the differences
> between the 2 strings (underlined):
>
>> Some websites use trackers that can monitor your activity across the
>> Internet. _In private windows Firefox Content Blocking automatically
>> blocks_ many trackers that can collect information about your
>> browsing behavior.
> [the new string is untranslated so that you can see that no suggestion
> is offered]
>
> In my opinion, the existing string is a great candidate for a
> machinery suggestion but alas! the translator has to retranslate the
> whole string again. This is a major time waster. I've seen the same
> behaviour in other strings too.
>
> If the string is considered to be too long for Pontoon's fuzzy
> matching process, please reconsider the length limit. It is precisely
> in long strings where the suggestions are more welcome. In my opinion,
> reusing existing translations should be a priority in Pontoon so that
> we do not feel that we are retranslating the same over and over again.
>
> salut,
> jordi s
>
>
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Re: Pontoon: Subpar matching in suggestions

Eduardo Trápani
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> In my opinion, the existing string is a great candidate for a machinery
> suggestion but alas! the translator has to retranslate the whole string
> again. This is a major time waster.

Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I don't now how easy it is to solve
on their side though, this is one of the bugs involved:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1469010
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Re: Pontoon: Subpar matching in suggestions

Julen Ruiz Aizpuru
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2018-09-01 17:18 GMT+02:00 Jordi Serratosa <[hidden email]>:
>
> In my opinion, the existing string is a great candidate for a machinery
> suggestion but alas! the translator has to retranslate the whole string
> again. This is a major time waster. I've seen the same behaviour in other
> strings too.
>

I can only agree with the sentiment here; even sometimes 100% matches
are missed if they go above 255 characters [1].

Are there any plans to make fixing this a priority? It might be
obvious to say but it'd be a real time saver for translators, plus
it'd help with consistency. I hope something can be done soon to
improve the TM quality overall.

Thanks for your time put into improving Pontoon for all!

Regards,
Julen.

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1468452
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Re: Pontoon: Subpar matching in suggestions

Matjaz Horvat-2
Hi,

Indeed, Pontoon's Translation Memory doesn't work at all for longer
strings (bug 1469010). While that affects less than 1% of all strings
in Pontoon, the longer the string, the more time can be saved using
TM. We should fix this. I'm adding it to the Q4 list:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Pontoon#Other_bugs

The problem with complex FTL strings is harder to solve, because FTL
format cannot be fully converted to simple file formats (like TMX).
Hence, it also involves changes to the data model and UX. See bug
1453341 for details.

-Matjaž
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 5:45 PM Julen Ruiz Aizpuru <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> 2018-09-01 17:18 GMT+02:00 Jordi Serratosa <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > In my opinion, the existing string is a great candidate for a machinery
> > suggestion but alas! the translator has to retranslate the whole string
> > again. This is a major time waster. I've seen the same behaviour in other
> > strings too.
> >
>
> I can only agree with the sentiment here; even sometimes 100% matches
> are missed if they go above 255 characters [1].
>
> Are there any plans to make fixing this a priority? It might be
> obvious to say but it'd be a real time saver for translators, plus
> it'd help with consistency. I hope something can be done soon to
> improve the TM quality overall.
>
> Thanks for your time put into improving Pontoon for all!
>
> Regards,
> Julen.
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1468452
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Re: Pontoon: Subpar matching in suggestions

Eduardo Trápani
Hi Matjaž,

> Indeed, Pontoon's Translation Memory doesn't work at all for longer
> strings (bug 1469010). While that affects less than 1% of all strings
> in Pontoon, the longer the string, the more time can be saved using
> TM. We should fix this. I'm adding it to the Q4 list:
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Pontoon#Other_bugs

I already sent a fix[1] to that bug. Do you think it could be applied?

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1469010#c2
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Re: Pontoon: Subpar matching in suggestions

Matjaz Horvat-2
Hi Eduardo,

Thanks for your comment! Jotes looked into it and responded in the
bug. Let's continue the conversation there.

-Matjaž
On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 2:57 PM Eduardo Trápani <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi Matjaž,
>
> > Indeed, Pontoon's Translation Memory doesn't work at all for longer
> > strings (bug 1469010). While that affects less than 1% of all strings
> > in Pontoon, the longer the string, the more time can be saved using
> > TM. We should fix this. I'm adding it to the Q4 list:
> > https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Pontoon#Other_bugs
>
> I already sent a fix[1] to that bug. Do you think it could be applied?
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1469010#c2
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