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Please Help: How to Hire an IT Admin?

Peter Lairo
(x-posted here. *Reply-to* set to netscape.public.mozilla.jobs)

Hi:

I need some advice: The company I work for (environmental consulting in
Germany) is *looking to hire* a second IT administrator who will keep
our network running and help our ~150 (non-IT) engineers when they have
problems.

We have placed an online ad, but have received very limited response.
Here's our ad:
http://stepstone.de/offers/offer_detail.cfm?click=yes&id=260297

1. Are we doing something wrong? What?

2. Should we include what benefits we offer?

3. Do qualified persons not want IT admin jobs?

4. What minimum salary and/or benefits should we be offering?

Please give me a realistic response, and not some "dream" conditions.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

PS. You can answer in German, if you like. :-)

PPS. x-posted because I suspect n.p.m.jobs might be (nearly) dead.
Anyhow, I set a follow-up to "jobs", so I'm hopefully forgiven.

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Re: Please Help: How to Hire an IT Admin?

defaria
Peter Lairo wrote:

> (x-posted here. *Reply-to* set to netscape.public.mozilla.jobs)

Tongue semi planted in cheek...

> Hi:
>
> I need some advice: The company I work for (environmental consulting
> in  Germany) is *looking to hire* a second IT administrator who will
> keep  our network running and help our ~150 (non-IT) engineers when
> they have problems.

With the literally thousands of job sites, head hunters, job recruiting
firms, etc. why the hell do you post here? IOW what does this really
have to do with Netscape?

> We have placed an online ad, but have received very limited response.  
> Here's our ad:  
> http://stepstone.de/offers/offer_detail.cfm?click=yes&id=260297
>
> 1. Are we doing something wrong? What?

Well it's in German! :-)

> 2. Should we include what benefits we offer?

People are generally more interest in what their paycheck says not
benefits. Many times benefits are assumed...

> 3. Do qualified persons not want IT admin jobs?

Huh? That question doesn't even make any sense! It's clear that there is
a field called IT admin. Why would a qualified IT admin not want a job?!?

> 4. What minimum salary and/or benefits should we be offering?

Obviously more than you are offering otherwise you'd be innovated with
responses! :-)

> Please give me a realistic response, and not some "dream" conditions.
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide.

What your company perhaps needs to do in enlist the services of a
qualified recruiting firm. It'd be hard for many people to comment on
what's an appropriate ad and salary for a position is presumably Germany
(save perhaps some German constituents that frequent this group). That's
what a recruiting firm gets paid for.

> PS. You can answer in German, if you like. :-)

I'd rather not! ;-)

> PPS. x-posted because I suspect n.p.m.jobs might be (nearly) dead.
> Anyhow, I set a follow-up to "jobs", so I'm hopefully forgiven.


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Re: Please Help: How to Hire an IT Admin?

Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service
* Andrew DeFaria <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks,

> >We have placed an online ad, but have received very limited response.  
> >Here's our ad:  
> >http://stepstone.de/offers/offer_detail.cfm?click=yes&id=260297
> >
> >1. Are we doing something wrong? What?
>
> Well it's in German! :-)

And you're missing an email address.

<snip>

BTW: if you outsourcing instead of hiring would also be okay,
feel free to contact me personally ;-)

<snip>

> >2. Should we include what benefits we offer?
>
> People are generally more interest in what their paycheck says not
> benefits. Many times benefits are assumed...

Well, not always.
I personally (as a freelancer) like to think about some more facts, ie.
+ are there any resources I could probably use (hardware, bandwidth, ...)
+ which grade of availability do I have to provide, how free am I in
  doing a (larger) break for some other things (as a representative
  I've got a lot of political work, meetings over meetings, etc)
+ how is the general social climate in the company ?
+ how much of the work can my done at home (in my favourite working env) ?
  (this isn't unintersting for productivity and regeneration)
+ can I delegate some of the work to others easily ?

Of course, I'm speaking from the view of an freelancer, who has lots of
other occupations beside the job (well, in fact several jobs at a time).
I can't speak for the 99% of mass folks - perhaps they're trivial enough
that the paycheck is the only intersting ...

> >3. Do qualified persons not want IT admin jobs?
>
> Huh? That question doesn't even make any sense! It's clear that there is
> a field called IT admin. Why would a qualified IT admin not want a job?!?

Well, the intersting question is: what kind of qualification.
Again, speaking just for myself: I'm a coder (not just as a job, also
as a way of life ;-)), so the typical admin stuff isn't always what
makes greatest joy to me, but I'm *able* to do this work (at least
think so ;-)) and, if the conditions are okay and I'm not really
occupied with more important things, I'll do that job. Thats business.

<snip>
 
> >4. What minimum salary and/or benefits should we be offering?
>
> Obviously more than you are offering otherwise you'd be innovated with
> responses! :-)

Well, I didn't see any salery facts in the announcement.
BTW: I'm not really sure, if it's wise to do so.


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Re: Please Help: How to Hire an IT Admin?

Bernd Neuner
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Peter Lairo schrieb:

> (x-posted here. *Reply-to* set to netscape.public.mozilla.jobs)
>
> Hi:
>
> I need some advice: The company I work for (environmental consulting in
> Germany) is *looking to hire* a second IT administrator who will keep
> our network running and help our ~150 (non-IT) engineers when they have
> problems.
>
> We have placed an online ad, but have received very limited response.
> Here's our ad:
> http://stepstone.de/offers/offer_detail.cfm?click=yes&id=260297
>
> 1. Are we doing something wrong? What?
>
> 2. Should we include what benefits we offer?
>
> 3. Do qualified persons not want IT admin jobs?
>
> 4. What minimum salary and/or benefits should we be offering?
>
> Please give me a realistic response, and not some "dream" conditions.
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
> PS. You can answer in German, if you like. :-)
>
> PPS. x-posted because I suspect n.p.m.jobs might be (nearly) dead.
> Anyhow, I set a follow-up to "jobs", so I'm hopefully forgiven.
>
Can you imagine that one have to study at least 8 years to fulfill your
requirements ? Add the 8 years of "practice" you demand, so you will get
the approbiate canditate in 16 years. This job is a "four in one", no
wonder you can't find an applicant.
Maybe you should work out what your applicant should really know ?

Bernd Bavaria, Germany (MCSE + Network Specialist + Linux Security
Specialist+ Cisco IOS)
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