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David B.
Hi Mike

In your opinion, is this a genuine email header? (from my inbox!)

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David B. wrote:
> In your opinion, is this a genuine email header? (from my inbox!)

 From antispam days, if a mail is from unknown sender or suspicious, I
focus on the tracelines for bogosity, of which there are 4 appropriate
here; legitimate.

I pretty much disregard 'garbage' x-lines in headers.  The content of
the body indicates that you 'came across' a free webhosting via Mike
Duffy's site and contacted them and they replied to you.  Looks like to me.

It/ Their service/ looks like free with an opportunity to go premium.

Here's another way to approach them.  https://x10hosting.com/

See their features page.  See their premium page.

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> contacted them and they replied to you.  Looks like to me.

Alternatively; sometimes a/your email address may be 'attacked'/harassed
by an adversary who 'goes around' dropping your email at 'free4all'
sites which are notorious for 'mailing lists' which are built improperly
from non-verified addresses causing you to get tons of junk and spam and
it is difficult to get 'de-listed' unsubbed.

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> Alternatively;

(still wearing my antispam hat)

And another thing; they have an affiliate program by which people are
rewarded as a consequence of people they have 'referred' signing up.

Such affiliate programs generate 'spam' that doesn't come about because
of the company x10host who wants customers, but because they 'motivate'
the affiliates to do whatever kind of promotion they can dream up.

https://x10hosting.com/affiliates


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On 08/03/2017 16:48, Mike Easter wrote:
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> Alternatively; sometimes a/your email address may be
> 'attacked'/harassed by an adversary who 'goes around' dropping your
> email at 'free4all' sites which are notorious for 'mailing lists'
> which are built improperly from non-verified addresses causing you to
> get tons of junk and spam and it is difficult to get 'de-listed'
> unsubbed.
>

It is "impossible" to get removed from such lists once you are in. The
list is sold in the dark web for peanuts and millions of people are
actually buying them.  Indian call centers are another source of such
lists where you can buy a DVD for $5.00.  As you may know, all companies
that you may know of have sub-contracted their IT work to India without
any safe guards as far as I can see except that they can make more money
by using the services of Indian companies.  No wonder all the top
companies now have Indian as their head.



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On 08/03/2017 16:54, Mike Easter wrote:

> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> Alternatively;
>
> (still wearing my antispam hat)
>
> And another thing; they have an affiliate program by which people are
> rewarded as a consequence of people they have 'referred' signing up.
>
> Such affiliate programs generate 'spam' that doesn't come about because
> of the company x10host who wants customers, but because they 'motivate'
> the affiliates to do whatever kind of promotion they can dream up.
>
> https://x10hosting.com/affiliates

I really do appreciate you comments, Mike.

What I didn't (and still don't!) understand is how/why THIS organization
is involved:-

https://www.helpscout.net

Any thoughts?

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David B. wrote:
> What I didn't (and still don't!) understand is how/why THIS organization
> is involved:-
>
> https://www.helpscout.net
>
> Any thoughts?

Back up a little bit.

  - Y/N you DID create the message attributed to you?
  - where/how did you place that message?

"I'm somewhat naive..."

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David B. wrote:
> Any thoughts?

My first thought is that it doesn't make a whit of difference what mail
service some entity uses.  It isn't about that website, it is about the
mail server.

The sender chose to use a From x10hosting support address and used a
helpscout server to send it.  The header stamp for the Sender is a
helpscout address.  There is nothing 'hinky' about that behavior.

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Mike Easter wrote:
> David B. wrote:
>> Any thoughts?
>
> The sender chose to use a From x10hosting support address and used a
> helpscout server to send it.  The header stamp for the Sender is a
> helpscout address.  There is nothing 'hinky' about that behavior.
>
"Help Scout is a simple help desk designed for small businesses. Help
Scout powers customer support for more than 7,000 businesses in 140
countries."  was Brightwurks in MA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_Scout

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> David B. wrote:
>> What I didn't (and still don't!) understand is how/why THIS organization
>> is involved:-
>>
>> https://www.helpscout.net
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>
> Back up a little bit.
>
>  - Y/N you DID create the message attributed to you?
>  - where/how did you place that message?
>
> "I'm somewhat naive..."

YES - I *did* send a message to x10 hosting via THIS web page
https://x10hosting.com/contact-us/report-abuse#

This may be helpful:-

Michael replied
Mar 8, 1:12pm
Hello,

We provide free web hosting to users to try our services and setup a
successful website. With our free hosting plan you are required to log
into your account every 30 days to keep the account active and there are
other limitations such as the number of domains you can have and email
addresses you can setup. Once your small website grows and you need
additional resources and account options you can upgrade to our premium
service at x10premium.com. This is how we make our money, from users
that chose to upgrade to our paid service.
The majority of our premium members come from our free service. That is
how we are able to offer the free hosting service.

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David Brooks replied
Mar 8, 11:02am
Hello

I'm somewhat naive about the ins and outs of setting up a web site.
Please will you explain how you are able to provide your service free of
charge?

I came across your organisation by going here
http://mduffy.x10host.com/index.htm

Thanks.

David B.
Devon, UK
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> Mike Easter wrote:
>> David B. wrote:
>>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> The sender chose to use a From x10hosting support address and used a
>> helpscout server to send it.  The header stamp for the Sender is a
>> helpscout address.  There is nothing 'hinky' about that behavior.
>>
> "Help Scout is a simple help desk designed for small businesses. Help
> Scout powers customer support for more than 7,000 businesses in 140
> countries."  was Brightwurks in MA.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_Scout

Mike

I shall trust your judgement that everything is 'above board'.

Thank you for taking a look for me.

Your help is MUCH appreciated.

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On 08/03/2017 18:45, Good Guy wrote:

> On 08/03/2017 16:48, Mike Easter wrote:
>>
>> Alternatively; sometimes a/your email address may be
>> 'attacked'/harassed by an adversary who 'goes around' dropping your
>> email at 'free4all' sites which are notorious for 'mailing lists'
>> which are built improperly from non-verified addresses causing you to
>> get tons of junk and spam and it is difficult to get 'de-listed'
>> unsubbed.
>>
>
> It is "impossible" to get removed from such lists once you are in.  The
> list is sold in the dark web for peanuts and millions of people are
> actually buying them.  Indian call centers are another source of such
> lists where you can buy a DVD for $5.00.  As you may know, all companies
> that you may know of have sub-contracted their IT work to India without
> any safe guards as far as I can see except that they can make more money
> by using the services of Indian companies.  No wonder all the top
> companies now have Indian as their head.

Interesting comment, 'Good Guy'. Thanks. :-)

Are you aware of THIS facility?

SSL Server Security Test   https://www.htbridge.com/ssl/

I got an unexpected result when I 'tested' the 'professional' web
provider's site:-  http://mduffy.x10host.com/index.htm

https://www.htbridge.com/ssl/?id=72df6a9cfc7debca8b2c769523b326de11c24f0c2a318f4982f51b96799706dc

I'd not anticipated a big red 'F'!

THIS is the kind of result I had expected
https://www.htbridge.com/ssl/?id=ec7e29aad53effabb13aa2ccb8020fa734e5b28982c7347079272de587155ce6

There was a choice of TWO IP addresses! This result was at 104.24.22.72

Perhaps I shouldn't be concerned when I read things such as this:-

"The server does not have SSL/TLS encryption on port 443. Data exchange
with end-users can be intercepted."

(That is shown on Mike Duffy's 'F' page!)

As Mike Easter will confirm, though, I sometime get a 'hinky' feeling
about things! He invariably finds no problem though.

Have a great day!  :-)



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David B. wrote:
> He invariably finds

I reject the term 'invariably' as pertains to whatever I 'find'.

Mike Duffy's site is an 'ordinary' site; the/its free and premium
x10host provider is a normal provider; the service that provider employs
for support is a well-established service.

You have an 'off-beat' and unskilled 'investigation' approach which
generally misleads you down rabbit holes.

I often or typically find the basis for your hinky feelings to be
unfounded.  I would be more likely to say 'Nothing is invariable.'

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David B.
On 09/03/2017 14:28, Mike Easter wrote:
> David B. wrote:
>> He invariably finds
>
> I reject the term 'invariably' as pertains to whatever I 'find'.

OK!

> Mike Duffy's site is an 'ordinary' site; the/its free and premium
> x10host provider is a normal provider; the service that provider employs
> for support is a well-established service.

Are you aware of ANY other Usenet poster using 'x10.host.com'

> You have an 'off-beat' and unskilled 'investigation' approach which
> generally misleads you down rabbit holes.

I accept what you say. :-)

> I often or typically find the basis for your hinky feelings to be
> unfounded.  I would be more likely to say 'Nothing is invariable.'

Hi Mike :-)

Quote:

"Web-based malware is the new bane of the Internet. Malware developers
have focused on using websites to distribute millions of copies of
viruses, Trojans and other malicious computer programs. This modern
modus operandi banks on the fact that a website’s security is weak and
can be easily compromised. In this article we want to raise awareness
about how malware developers are hiding their malicious code to prevent
detection by website administrators and other software."

=

You may read the rest of the article here:-

https://www.stopthehacker.com/2011/01/14/malware-posing-as-jquery/#.UFNpiCEXqGa


Mike Duffy's site appears 'clean' here:-

https://aw-snap.info/file-viewer/?protocol=not-secure&tgt=mduffy.x10host.com%2Findex.htm&ref_sel=GSP2&ua_sel=ff&fs=1

No real way of knowing though, is there?

Cheers!
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David B. cited:
> "Web-based malware is the new bane of the Internet. Malware developers
> have focused on using websites to distribute millions of copies of
> viruses, Trojans and other malicious computer programs. This modern
> modus operandi banks on the fact that a website’s security is weak and
> can be easily compromised. In this article we want to raise awareness
> about how malware developers are hiding their malicious code to prevent
> detection by website administrators and other software."

I agree with 'all' that.

BUT...

Those facts don't support your approach and activities which resulted
from your visiting Mike Duffy's site.  I'm also doubtful you were honest
in your communication which initiated the exchange which precipitated
what followed which confused you.

AND...

I would consider all this off-topic even for this group which is pretty
much 'free-style'.  The reason I think it is OT is because I think that
no one other than you 'cares'/ is interested/ in what is going on in
your head about all this.

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David B. wrote:

> Are you aware of THIS facility?
>
> SSL Server Security Test

You don't know what you are talking about/doing.

> I got an unexpected result when I 'tested' the 'professional' web
> provider's site:-

Mike Duffy is NOT a professional web provider; he is ('just') a usenet
personality who has what looks to me like a free x10host provided
website, which is http not https.

It is not appropriate to be SSL testing a non-https (http) site.

> I'd not anticipated a big red 'F'!

You should not have been using the wrong tool inappropriately -- again.

If you search appropriately you can find conversations from x10hosting
guiding their users into what they should do if they want SSL/https for
their site.

You have a penchant for 'attacking' sites with wrong tools you don't
understand and then you get whacky results and seek interaction in all
the wrong places in your attempt to resolve those results.


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On 09/03/2017 11:14, David B. wrote:

> On 08/03/2017 18:45, Good Guy wrote:
>> On 08/03/2017 16:48, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>
>>> Alternatively; sometimes a/your email address may be
>>> 'attacked'/harassed by an adversary who 'goes around' dropping your
>>> email at 'free4all' sites which are notorious for 'mailing lists'
>>> which are built improperly from non-verified addresses causing you to
>>> get tons of junk and spam and it is difficult to get 'de-listed'
>>> unsubbed.
>>>
>>
>> It is "impossible" to get removed from such lists once you are in.  The
>> list is sold in the dark web for peanuts and millions of people are
>> actually buying them.  Indian call centers are another source of such
>> lists where you can buy a DVD for $5.00.  As you may know, all companies
>> that you may know of have sub-contracted their IT work to India without
>> any safe guards as far as I can see except that they can make more money
>> by using the services of Indian companies.  No wonder all the top
>> companies now have Indian as their head.
>
> Interesting comment, 'Good Guy'. Thanks. :-)
>
> Are you aware of THIS facility?
>
> SSL Server Security Test   https://www.htbridge.com/ssl/
>
> I got an unexpected result when I 'tested' the 'professional' web
> provider's site:-  http://mduffy.x10host.com/index.htm
>
> https://www.htbridge.com/ssl/?id=72df6a9cfc7debca8b2c769523b326de11c24f0c2a318f4982f51b96799706dc
>
>
> I'd not anticipated a big red 'F'!

Just in case that link no longer shows the big red 'F'!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7n8machon1qc0bn/Mike%20Duffy%27s%20web%20site%20-%20FAIL%21.tiff?dl=0

> Perhaps I shouldn't be concerned when I read things such as this:-
>
> "The server does not have SSL/TLS encryption on port 443. Data exchange
> with end-users can be intercepted."

My friend tells me that at 198.91.81.3 Port 443/tcp is open and provides
an https service.

Isn't it somewhat unusual for there to be no encryption?

Just wondering!

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On 3/10/2017, 7:31:21 AM, David B. <[hidden email]> wrote:
> My friend tells me that at 198.91.81.3 Port 443/tcp is open and provides
> an https service.
>
> Isn't it somewhat unusual for there to be no encryption?

It is a SHARED hosting service, so many different sites will be served
by that IP address, some may/will use SSL, some won't.

That said...

<PLONK>
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On 10/03/2017 13:33, Disaster Master wrote:

> On 3/10/2017, 7:31:21 AM, David B. <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> My friend tells me that at 198.91.81.3 Port 443/tcp is open and provides
>> an https service.
>>
>> Isn't it somewhat unusual for there to be no encryption?
>
> It is a SHARED hosting service, so many different sites will be served
> by that IP address, some may/will use SSL, some won't.
>
> That said...
>
> <PLONK>


<GULP>

What did I do?

Btw ... Content that was returned by my request for the URL:
http://198.91.81.3

1:  < html> < head> < META HTTP-EQUIV="refresh"
CONTENT="0;URL=/cgi-sys/defaultwebpage.cgi"> < /head> < body> < /body> <
/html>

Any idea WHY?

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David B. wrote:
> Content that was returned by my request for the URL: http://198.91.81.3

Don't do that.

That IP serves over a thousand names (differently).  You have been told
MANY times about how webservers work and frequently not usefully by IP.

You should take these questions to your alt.computer.workshop group and
do NOT x-post your conversations to the win7 or win10 groups when you
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