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Clark, John
Looking at the timestamps on the `xforms.xpi` files for the various
platforms in the nightly build directory[0], it appears that nightly
builds have not been happening since April.  Is there any chance that
the nightly builds could be started up again?  Also, is there any sense
for how long it will be until another official release?

I am eager to test the recent fixes to the insert logic.  =)

[0] ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/

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Re: Nightly builds and release schedule

Steve Speicher
The bug you need to comment/vote on for this is:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377198
These are no longer built by Mozilla tinderboxes.

Just to note, there is also a problem on trunk now with XForms where all
controls are read-only.  So it only affects those forms that expect to
collect data ;-).  Someone is investigating this and should (hopefully) be
available soon.

Sorry I don't have better news,
SteveS

On 7/31/07, Clark, John <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Looking at the timestamps on the `xforms.xpi` files for the various
> platforms in the nightly build directory[0], it appears that nightly
> builds have not been happening since April.  Is there any chance that
> the nightly builds could be started up again?  Also, is there any sense
> for how long it will be until another official release?
>
> I am eager to test the recent fixes to the insert logic.  =)
>
> [0] ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/
>
> Take care,
>
>     John L. Clark  |  Systems Analyst
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RE: Nightly builds and release schedule

Clark, John
> The bug you need to comment/vote on for this is:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377198
> These are no longer built by Mozilla tinderboxes.

That's an interesting bug, as the resolution for the bug (remove the
XForms Extension from the build) is exactly the opposite of the
resolution that I and many others want.  In any case, I commented and
voted for it.

> Just to note, there is also a problem on trunk now with
> XForms where all controls are read-only.  So it only affects
> those forms that expect to collect data ;-).  Someone is
> investigating this and should (hopefully) be available soon.

Pffft, being able to write data is overrated.  ;-)  Which bug is this,
so that I can vote for it, too?

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Re: Nightly builds and release schedule

Steve Speicher
On 7/31/07, Clark, John <[hidden email]> wrote:

> > Just to note, there is also a problem on trunk now with
> > XForms where all controls are read-only.  So it only affects
> > those forms that expect to collect data ;-).  Someone is
> > investigating this and should (hopefully) be available soon.
>
> Pffft, being able to write data is overrated.  ;-)  Which bug is this,
> so that I can vote for it, too?


Developer who is looking into it is out sick, he will open it.  No need to
vote on it, as he'll do it (this only requires the XForms developers to
approve it)

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Clark, John
> Developer who is looking into it is out sick, he will open
> it.  No need to vote on it, as he'll do it (this only
> requires the XForms developers to approve it)

So voting doesn't also serve as encouragement from the community?  I
think of my vote as my little way of saying "Whomever works on this, you
rock!" (in addition to helping with bug triage).

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Re: Nightly builds and release schedule

Aaron Reed
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Hi John,

Voting 'kinda' matters.  If a developer has a list of things and no real
feeling for the priority of the various bugs on the list, then the vote
count helps give an idea of which users/community members care about the
bug.  But in the case of the 'readonly' bug, a developer is already
working on it so the priority is already known.  But we always like to
get 'good job' messages!  Nice to know our efforts are appreciated :)

--Aaron

Clark, John wrote:

>> Developer who is looking into it is out sick, he will open
>> it.  No need to vote on it, as he'll do it (this only
>> requires the XForms developers to approve it)
>
> So voting doesn't also serve as encouragement from the community?  I
> think of my vote as my little way of saying "Whomever works on this, you
> rock!" (in addition to helping with bug triage).
>
> Take care,
>
>     John L. Clark
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Aaron Reed
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Clark, John wrote:
>> The bug you need to comment/vote on for this is:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377198
>> These are no longer built by Mozilla tinderboxes.
>
> That's an interesting bug, as the resolution for the bug (remove the
> XForms Extension from the build) is exactly the opposite of the
> resolution that I and many others want.  In any case, I commented and
> voted for it.
>

In the case of that bug, the decision has unfortunately already been
made.  We are hoping to catch on with another subgroup in the community
that won't mind including us in their builds, but no luck, yet.  If you
really need this patch to get on with your work, we can try to get it in
a nightly branch build.  But even then it'll only be available for Linux
and Windows.

--Aaron
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Clark, John
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> But we always like to get 'good job' messages!
> Nice to know our efforts are appreciated :)

Well then, let me take this opportunity to thank the Mozilla XForms
Extension development group for their work.  It is, indeed, appreciated.
I must say that the work on critical XForms 1.1 functionality has me
particularly excited (both for my immediate project as well as for the
future of the read/write Web).

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Clark, John
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> In the case of that bug, the decision has unfortunately
> already been made.  We are hoping to catch on with another
> subgroup in the community that won't mind including us in
> their builds, but no luck, yet.  If you really need this
> patch to get on with your work, we can try to get it in a
> nightly branch build.  But even then it'll only be available
> for Linux and Windows.

How are the nightly branch builds different from what is discussed in
that bug report?  It is true that I'm waiting for the insert fixes in
order to move forward, so I am interested in such builds.  At the moment
we're only targeting Windows, so that wouldn't be a problem.  On the
other hand, it wouldn't do me much good to test builds immediately until
the issue with read-only controls is fixed.  =)

Take care,

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Re: Nightly builds and release schedule

Aaron Reed
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Hi John,

The branch builds are those for FF 2.0.0.x (trunk being the latest and
greatest...the code that will become FF 3).  That bug deals with trunk.
  We've been turned off on the trunk completely and for Mac on the
branch.  So if you need the insert bug fix, we could put that on the
branch and you could grab a nightly build the day after we commit that
patch.

The 'readonly' issue only occurs on the trunk.

--Aaron

Clark, John wrote:

>> In the case of that bug, the decision has unfortunately
>> already been made.  We are hoping to catch on with another
>> subgroup in the community that won't mind including us in
>> their builds, but no luck, yet.  If you really need this
>> patch to get on with your work, we can try to get it in a
>> nightly branch build.  But even then it'll only be available
>> for Linux and Windows.
>
> How are the nightly branch builds different from what is discussed in
> that bug report?  It is true that I'm waiting for the insert fixes in
> order to move forward, so I am interested in such builds.  At the moment
> we're only targeting Windows, so that wouldn't be a problem.  On the
> other hand, it wouldn't do me much good to test builds immediately until
> the issue with read-only controls is fixed.  =)
>
> Take care,
>
>     John L. Clark
>
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Clark, John
> The branch builds are those for FF 2.0.0.x (trunk being the
> latest and greatest...the code that will become FF 3).  That
> bug deals with trunk.

Ah, that makes sense.  Some development of the Mozilla XForms Extension,
then, is taking place only on the trunk; is that development only to
track changes with the Firefox development line (on trunk), or are there
any features being developed on trunk that are not also being mirrored
on the stable branch?  I'm guessing that all of the recent stable
releases (e.g. 0.8.0.3) are taken from the branch.  If that's the case,
then I would think we would be able to provide meaningful feedback based
upon testing experience for builds taken from the branch.

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    John L. Clark

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Re: Nightly builds and release schedule

Aaron Reed
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Everything that Mozilla allows to be checked in to the branch is
supposed to first be checked into the trunk to assure that any build
problems or stability problems are worked out before checking them into
the branch.  The goal, of course, is to keep the branch as stable as
possible.  We have in the past, and probably will again in the future,
check in code to the trunk that won't make its way into the branch for
quite a while.  For example, a lot of our 1.1 work was in the trunk for
months (or even longer in the case of SOAP) before we checked it into
the branch.  The idea was to get the code out there for people to use if
they want to, but to not check it into the branch until we were ready to
support it.  And I personally wasn't ready to support our 1.1 work until
the 1.1 spec stabilized.

So yes, there will be times when code exists only in the trunk.  But
those are exceptions.  Almost everything in the trunk will make its way
to the branch in time for the next release.

--Aaron

Clark, John wrote:

>> The branch builds are those for FF 2.0.0.x (trunk being the
>> latest and greatest...the code that will become FF 3).  That
>> bug deals with trunk.
>
> Ah, that makes sense.  Some development of the Mozilla XForms Extension,
> then, is taking place only on the trunk; is that development only to
> track changes with the Firefox development line (on trunk), or are there
> any features being developed on trunk that are not also being mirrored
> on the stable branch?  I'm guessing that all of the recent stable
> releases (e.g. 0.8.0.3) are taken from the branch.  If that's the case,
> then I would think we would be able to provide meaningful feedback based
> upon testing experience for builds taken from the branch.
>
> Take care,
>
>     John L. Clark
>
> ===================================
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> Cleveland Clinic is ranked one of the top hospitals
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Klotz, Leigh
XForms 1.1 hasn't yet stabilized.  Checking it into the trunk is the
appropriate level for XForms 1.1 WD and PR.  CR ist he time tos tart
start getting stuff into the release branch and thinking about support;
before CR, any 1.1 features should be considered experimental and
unstable.  Realistically, the more stable implementations of the more
stable features will need to be moved into the release branch first, but
here in the WD stage there's still doubt about feature stability.
Leigh.

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>...  And I personally wasn't ready to support our 1.1 work until
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