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Is there an xforms for firefox 3 gran paradiso?

ashishnm
I'm looking for the xforms extension version that works with a recent
version of firefox 3 gran paradiso.

There is a version of xfoms.xpi on firefox latest nightly build, which
does not work with latest firefox nightly build, 3.0a6pre, in the
parent folder. (http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/
latest-trunk/windows-xpi/xfoms.xpi). While installing xforms, I get a
message saying, that it is only compatible with firefox 3.0a4pre.
Unfortunately, 3.0a4pre is no longer available on the firefox nightly
builds, since its too old. Any place to get the xforms.xpi that works
with firefox gran paradiso alpha release versions or with any of the
available alpha nightly builds?

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Re: Is there an xforms for firefox 3 gran paradiso?

Aaron Reed
Sorry, not currently.  Mozilla.org has decided to stop building XForms
for us on the trunk and we are still looking around for alternatives.
Your best bet right now is to get someone to do a private build for you
for the platform that you use.

Have a great weekend,
--Aaron

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> I'm looking for the xforms extension version that works with a recent
> version of firefox 3 gran paradiso.
>
> There is a version of xfoms.xpi on firefox latest nightly build, which
> does not work with latest firefox nightly build, 3.0a6pre, in the
> parent folder. (http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/
> latest-trunk/windows-xpi/xfoms.xpi). While installing xforms, I get a
> message saying, that it is only compatible with firefox 3.0a4pre.
> Unfortunately, 3.0a4pre is no longer available on the firefox nightly
> builds, since its too old. Any place to get the xforms.xpi that works
> with firefox gran paradiso alpha release versions or with any of the
> available alpha nightly builds?
>
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Re: Is there an xforms for firefox 3 gran paradiso?

maxim_m (Bugzilla)
Aaron Reed wrote:
> Sorry, not currently.  Mozilla.org has decided to stop building XForms
> for us on the trunk and we are still looking around for alternatives.

They have done WHAT ?

Is there a post explaining the decision and is there a way to protest it ?

i know they want to push their WebForms 2.0 shi...ehh...stuff, but this
really goes a bit too far.

On windows i am completely dependent on somebody else building for me
and i also really don't want to wait between releases.

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Re: Is there an xforms for firefox 3 gran paradiso?

trs17
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Aaron,

Are you saying the XForms extension is not going to be bundled with Firefox
3.0?  I heard that it was........say it ain't so.

-Tyler

On 6/8/07, Aaron Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Sorry, not currently.  Mozilla.org has decided to stop building XForms
> for us on the trunk and we are still looking around for alternatives.
> Your best bet right now is to get someone to do a private build for you
> for the platform that you use.
>
> Have a great weekend,
> --Aaron
>
> [hidden email] wrote:
> > I'm looking for the xforms extension version that works with a recent
> > version of firefox 3 gran paradiso.
> >
> > There is a version of xfoms.xpi on firefox latest nightly build, which
> > does not work with latest firefox nightly build, 3.0a6pre, in the
> > parent folder. (http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/
> > latest-trunk/windows-xpi/xfoms.xpi). While installing xforms, I get a
> > message saying, that it is only compatible with firefox 3.0a4pre.
> > Unfortunately, 3.0a4pre is no longer available on the firefox nightly
> > builds, since its too old. Any place to get the xforms.xpi that works
> > with firefox gran paradiso alpha release versions or with any of the
> > available alpha nightly builds?
> >
> _______________________________________________
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>



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Re: Is there an xforms for firefox 3 gran paradiso?

Aaron Reed
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Hi Tyler,

Hmmm, I don't know where you heard that.  I (and many others) wish that
were the case, but Mozilla.org has always taken a wait and see attitude
with XForms so they won't bundle XForms or make it part of the core or
anything like that until we hit some critical mass of users.  And since
that is a magical rather than defined number, it will probably be much
later rather than sooner that Mozilla.org adopts XForms as part of the
browser if it happens at all.

However, we absolutely plan to make the xforms.xpi for FF3 available
just like we do now with FF2, via addons.mozilla.org.  Doing one-off
(i.e. release) builds to make available isn't so much an issue.  The
problem we are currently facing is producing regular (multiple times a
day), tinderbox-like builds of Firefox with XForms for all three platforms.

I hope that this explanation helps,
--Aaron

Tyler St. John wrote:

> Aaron,
>
> Are you saying the XForms extension is not going to be bundled with Firefox
> 3.0?  I heard that it was........say it ain't so.
>
> -Tyler
>
> On 6/8/07, Aaron Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, not currently.  Mozilla.org has decided to stop building XForms
>> for us on the trunk and we are still looking around for alternatives.
>> Your best bet right now is to get someone to do a private build for you
>> for the platform that you use.
>>
>> Have a great weekend,
>> --Aaron
>>
>> [hidden email] wrote:
>> > I'm looking for the xforms extension version that works with a recent
>> > version of firefox 3 gran paradiso.
>> >
>> > There is a version of xfoms.xpi on firefox latest nightly build, which
>> > does not work with latest firefox nightly build, 3.0a6pre, in the
>> > parent folder. (http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/
>> > latest-trunk/windows-xpi/xfoms.xpi). While installing xforms, I get a
>> > message saying, that it is only compatible with firefox 3.0a4pre.
>> > Unfortunately, 3.0a4pre is no longer available on the firefox nightly
>> > builds, since its too old. Any place to get the xforms.xpi that works
>> > with firefox gran paradiso alpha release versions or with any of the
>> > available alpha nightly builds?
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> dev-tech-xforms mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-tech-xforms
>>
>
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Re: Is there an xforms for firefox 3 gran paradiso?

Aaron Reed
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Hi Maxim,

The reason that Mozilla.org stopped building XForms on the tinderboxes
isn't a political statement (at least that isn't a prime motivator).
They were concerned with how much effort it cost their build people when
they changed around build processes (often with little or no warning)
and then had XForms break the build.  Though it rarely happened and was
almost never our fault but more of a statement on how XForms was duct
taped into the build process to begin with, it happened enough to be
irksome to them.  Add to that the fact that some Mozilla.org people
didn't understand why XForms was given such preferential treatment
(honestly, how many other extensions are part of the tinderboxes), they
pulled the plug on us for now.  They left us a glimmer of hope of
catching on in some community build kinda like how Seamonkey will be
built, but we haven't figured out how to get us there, yet, since it
currently isn't well defined what that means or how to get involved.

The bug in question (the one that shut us off) is here in case you want
to get a feel for the issues:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377198

I know of no appeals process.  We have contacted them a couple of times
looking for a way to make this work and keep everyone happy, but they
basically want XForms and other non-Firefox components to be built
standalone.  Which is fair enough, but not easy to accomplish.  So we
need a dedicated machine that can build all three platforms and upload
the data to mozilla.org or find people to build each of the three
platforms every day, neither of which have happened, yet.  So until we
can figure out a way to make this happen, we'll only do 'one off' type
builds.

If anyone can step up to the plate and help us with this, please contact
me or one of the other Mozilla XForms guys or respond here and we'll get
back to you.

Thanks,
--Aaron

Maxim Mueller wrote:

> Aaron Reed wrote:
>> Sorry, not currently.  Mozilla.org has decided to stop building XForms
>> for us on the trunk and we are still looking around for alternatives.
>
> They have done WHAT ?
>
> Is there a post explaining the decision and is there a way to protest it ?
>
> i know they want to push their WebForms 2.0 shi...ehh...stuff, but this
> really goes a bit too far.
>
> On windows i am completely dependent on somebody else building for me
> and i also really don't want to wait between releases.
>
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Re: Is there an xforms for firefox 3 gran paradiso?

rmaw
On Jun 12, 9:58 am, Aaron Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Maxim,
>
> The reason that Mozilla.org stopped building XForms on the tinderboxes
> isn't a political statement (at least that isn't a prime motivator).
> They were concerned with how much effort it cost their build people when
> they changed around build processes (often with little or no warning)
> and then had XForms break the build.  Though it rarely happened and was
> almost never our fault but more of a statement on how XForms was duct
> taped into the build process to begin with, it happened enough to be
> irksome to them.  Add to that the fact that some Mozilla.org people
> didn't understand why XForms was given such preferential treatment
> (honestly, how many other extensions are part of the tinderboxes),...

Yes, but how many other extensions are major W3C standards?  XForms is
a major piece of the web-app puzzle, right up there with SVG.  All
business apps need a powerful form system (XForms), a powerful
charting/graphing system (SVG) and a solid UI system (XUL).  I guess
I'm preaching to the choir here though.  This is a sad announcement,
and right on the heels of the exciting 0.8 release.  What does this
mean going forward?  How will it affect progress towards 0.9?

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Re: Is there an xforms for firefox 3 gran paradiso?

Aaron Reed
The only affect on releases that I foresee will be on releases for FF3
and then only if we end up getting blocked by core bugs -> we won't have
an easy nightly to point core developers to in order to recreate the
problem.  It is also an inconvenience to us in finding exactly when
something may have regressed since we won't have all of those nightlies
that we can go back and look at.  But it shouldn't affect our day to day
work, I wouldn't think.

--Aaron

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> On Jun 12, 9:58 am, Aaron Reed <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Maxim,
>>
>> The reason that Mozilla.org stopped building XForms on the tinderboxes
>> isn't a political statement (at least that isn't a prime motivator).
>> They were concerned with how much effort it cost their build people when
>> they changed around build processes (often with little or no warning)
>> and then had XForms break the build.  Though it rarely happened and was
>> almost never our fault but more of a statement on how XForms was duct
>> taped into the build process to begin with, it happened enough to be
>> irksome to them.  Add to that the fact that some Mozilla.org people
>> didn't understand why XForms was given such preferential treatment
>> (honestly, how many other extensions are part of the tinderboxes),...
>
> Yes, but how many other extensions are major W3C standards?  XForms is
> a major piece of the web-app puzzle, right up there with SVG.  All
> business apps need a powerful form system (XForms), a powerful
> charting/graphing system (SVG) and a solid UI system (XUL).  I guess
> I'm preaching to the choir here though.  This is a sad announcement,
> and right on the heels of the exciting 0.8 release.  What does this
> mean going forward?  How will it affect progress towards 0.9?
>
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RE: Is there an xforms for firefox 3 gran paradiso?

Klotz, Leigh
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There is a vote button so I voted for the bug and put in a comment
saying my vote is for fixing it.
>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377198

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Re: Is there an xforms for firefox 3 gran paradiso?

Tony Rogers-2
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New user here.  Hi! :)

I joined because I love the performance boost in Firefox 3, but I miss
the XForms extension. :(



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> Yes, but how many other extensions are major W3C standards?  XForms is
> a major piece of the web-app puzzle, right up there with SVG.  


Wow.  Yes.  I *strongly* agree.

I'm going to start a quick rant here.  Feel free to skip it--it's
related to XForms, but not very directly.


*** BEGIN RANT ***
When Firefox came out with full SVG support (I think it was 2005?), I
recall it made quite a stir.  At the time, Firefox was on the cutting
edge of W3C standards.  I believe it played a critical role in SVG
become accepted.  (Maybe SVG isn't particularly widespread yet, but it's
at least accepted.  And I think it's become more widespread slowly but
steadily.  That's just my gut feeling, not a scientific analysis.)

I admit that lately I've felt that Mozilla has slacked off on keeping up
with standards.  Back then, it wasn't good enough simply to beat IE, and
it shouldn't be now.

I started using Safari for everything except web-development a few years
ago.  Having once been a fanatical Mozilla fanboy, part of me is sad
that I can't use Firefox with the same delight that I used to--the
confidence that I was using a browser that was as up-to-date with W3C
standards as could be (and aggressively working toward 100% support on
the few points that remained unsupported).

I like Firefox 3, I really do, but it's still lagging behind.  CSS3 is a
big part of that.  XForms would be another way for Mozilla to lead the
pack towards the acceptance of the standard.

But not yet. :(

Sigh.
*** END RANT ***


> All
> business apps need a powerful form system (XForms), a powerful
> charting/graphing system (SVG) and a solid UI system (XUL).  I guess
> I'm preaching to the choir here though.  This is a sad announcement,
> and right on the heels of the exciting 0.8 release.  What does this
> mean going forward?  How will it affect progress towards 0.9?

Oh, yes.

If you think in terms of Use Cases, XForms is a wonderful solution to
one of the oldest Use Cases on the Web.  It's even team-friendly thanks
to its MVC separation.  All signs point to XForms being a Good Thing To
Haveā„¢. :)

On a positive note, I'm very grateful there's a team of you working on
XForms support, and I think you've been doing a great job so far.  If my
programming skills were up to the task I would gladly contribute what I
could.

(If anybody would like to follow up on this, I'm available at:

        tony at gonk dot net

Sadly, I do not know C or C++.  One day, perhaps. :)



-- Tony
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Philipp Wagner-4
Tony R. schrieb:
> New user here.  Hi! :)
>
> I joined because I love the performance boost in Firefox 3, but I miss
> the XForms extension. :(

http://philipp.wagner.name/mozilla-xforms/

Philipp
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Ken Yap-2
> http://philipp.wagner.name/mozilla-xforms/

Thanks Philipp. I tried installing both 0617 and latest on FF3.0 on
Windows but the installer window said that 0.8.5 isn't compatible with
FF3.0 (the one just out). Is there an XPI on your site that works with
FF3.0 final? Thanks in advance.
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