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How To Defeat SPAM

Jay Garcia
How To Defeat SPAM ----

You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
application level.

Jay
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Re: How To Defeat SPAM

😉 Good Guy 😉
On 22/10/2014 00:37, Jay Garcia wrote:

> How To Defeat SPAM ----
>
> You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
> does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
> six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
> my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
> spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
> Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
> regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
> flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
> deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
> application level.
>
> Jay

The only way and the best way to control spam is to redirect all your
emails to GMAIL or Outlook.com and then use TB to download from them.  
GMAIL and outlook seems to have the best spam filter around.


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WaltS48
On 10/21/2014 09:18 PM, Good Guy wrote:

> On 22/10/2014 00:37, Jay Garcia wrote:
>> How To Defeat SPAM ----
>>
>> You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
>> does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
>> six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
>> my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
>> spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
>> Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
>> regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
>> flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
>> deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
>> application level.
>>
>> Jay
>
> The only way and the best way to control spam is to redirect all your
> emails to GMAIL or Outlook.com and then use TB to download from them.
> GMAIL and outlook seems to have the best spam filter around.
>
>


My ISP is very good at catching whatever comes my way.

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Re: How To Defeat SPAM

Jay Garcia
On 21.10.2014 20:38, WaltS48 wrote:

> On 10/21/2014 09:18 PM, Good Guy wrote:
>> On 22/10/2014 00:37, Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> How To Defeat SPAM ----
>>>
>>> You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
>>> does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
>>> six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
>>> my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
>>> spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
>>> Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
>>> regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
>>> flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
>>> deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
>>> application level.
>>>
>>> Jay
>>
>> The only way and the best way to control spam is to redirect all your
>> emails to GMAIL or Outlook.com and then use TB to download from them.
>> GMAIL and outlook seems to have the best spam filter around.
>>
>>
>
>
> My ISP is very good at catching whatever comes my way.
>

I've been running my own server for years and use whatever resources are
included, like SpamAssassin, ClamAV, RBLS and so forth. My connection
provider is COX and my @cox.net address receives very little spam.

Jay
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EE-2
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Jay Garcia wrote:

> How To Defeat SPAM ----
>
> You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
> does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
> six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
> my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
> spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
> Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
> regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
> flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
> deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
> application level.
>
> Jay
>
You can train the client to put spam in the junk folder.  That takes
care of part of the hassle, at least.

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Bob Henson-4
On 22/10/2014 8:34 PM, EE wrote:

> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> How To Defeat SPAM ----
>>
>> You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
>> does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
>> six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
>> my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
>> spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
>> Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
>> regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
>> flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
>> deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
>> application level.
>>
>> Jay
>>
> You can train the client to put spam in the junk folder.  That takes
> care of part of the hassle, at least.
>

Not very well though, in the case of Thunderbird. I have tried more than
once to train it, on different setups and O/Ss too - but it catches very
little spam at all. This time I have persevered with marking mails for
much longer - to no avail - most spam still doesn't get filtered out.

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Re: How To Defeat SPAM

Ron Hunter
On 10/22/2014 2:47 PM, Bob Henson wrote:

> On 22/10/2014 8:34 PM, EE wrote:
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> How To Defeat SPAM ----
>>>
>>> You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
>>> does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
>>> six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
>>> my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
>>> spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
>>> Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
>>> regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
>>> flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
>>> deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
>>> application level.
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>> You can train the client to put spam in the junk folder.  That takes
>> care of part of the hassle, at least.
>>
>
> Not very well though, in the case of Thunderbird. I have tried more than
> once to train it, on different setups and O/Ss too - but it catches very
> little spam at all. This time I have persevered with marking mails for
> much longer - to no avail - most spam still doesn't get filtered out.
>
It sometimes takes a few attempts at marking things 'junk' before they
get filtered.  Also, some sites are very well aware of how to work
around Baysian Filtering.

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Bob Henson-4
On 23/10/2014 1:15 AM, Ron Hunter wrote:

> On 10/22/2014 2:47 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
>> On 22/10/2014 8:34 PM, EE wrote:
>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>> How To Defeat SPAM ----
>>>>
>>>> You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
>>>> does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
>>>> six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
>>>> my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
>>>> spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
>>>> Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
>>>> regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
>>>> flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
>>>> deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
>>>> application level.
>>>>
>>>> Jay
>>>>
>>> You can train the client to put spam in the junk folder.  That takes
>>> care of part of the hassle, at least.
>>>
>>
>> Not very well though, in the case of Thunderbird. I have tried more than
>> once to train it, on different setups and O/Ss too - but it catches very
>> little spam at all. This time I have persevered with marking mails for
>> much longer - to no avail - most spam still doesn't get filtered out.
>>
> It sometimes takes a few attempts at marking things 'junk' before they
> get filtered.  Also, some sites are very well aware of how to work
> around Baysian Filtering.
>

I'm persevering, Ron, but not very hopeful. I've marked a couple of
hundred "Not Spam" messages and I get no false positives, so I'm just
marking SPAM now.

Come back Spampal - all is forgiven. I hardly got any once I had got
that running well, but as it is no longer developed I don't suppose it
will ever be made to work with SSL  connections. Spamihilator does, but
it won't just stamp the messages as spam so I can handle them within
Thunderbird, it insists on dumping them in it's own sandbox - and
checking two programs is a total waste of time. The whole point of an
anti-spam program is that after a probationary period of time you can
set it to delete the spam unseen - if you have to check it yourself, you
may as well just delete the spam manually as it comes in.

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Re: How To Defeat SPAM

Mike Easter-2
Bob Henson wrote:
> Come back Spampal - all is forgiven.

Back when I used to have to manage spam, SpamPal was the ticket.

Then I discovered that gmail has excellent spam filtering, so I didn't
need SpamPal anymore.

I don't have any experience with other email providers who might have
excellent filtering.  I have significant experience with providers who
do NOT have excellent filtering, such as EarthLink.

One good thing about EL's filtering was that it was very configurable,
no filtering, or medium, or high; but there were problems with the
default high which had challenge-response, but you could turn that off.

The medium was leaky, so one needed to supplement the filtering with
such as SpamPal.  High filtering was whitelisted mail only in the inbox
leaving EL ID/ed spam in the spam folder and non-whitelisted non-spam in
the suspicious.

I had accounts which I turned off EL filtering and used SpamPal to move
all the spam into a spam folder which I used for quick reporting to
SpamCop.  Feeding SpamCop contributed to my SpamPal blocklist. I had
accounts which I used EL high filtering because I only wanted the
whitelisted mail.

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On 10/23/2014 4:04 AM, Bob Henson wrote:

> On 23/10/2014 1:15 AM, Ron Hunter wrote:
>> On 10/22/2014 2:47 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
>>> On 22/10/2014 8:34 PM, EE wrote:
>>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>>>> How To Defeat SPAM ----
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
>>>>> does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
>>>>> six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
>>>>> my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
>>>>> spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
>>>>> Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
>>>>> regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
>>>>> flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
>>>>> deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
>>>>> application level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jay
>>>>>
>>>> You can train the client to put spam in the junk folder.  That takes
>>>> care of part of the hassle, at least.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not very well though, in the case of Thunderbird. I have tried more than
>>> once to train it, on different setups and O/Ss too - but it catches very
>>> little spam at all. This time I have persevered with marking mails for
>>> much longer - to no avail - most spam still doesn't get filtered out.
>>>
>> It sometimes takes a few attempts at marking things 'junk' before they
>> get filtered.  Also, some sites are very well aware of how to work
>> around Baysian Filtering.
>>
>
> I'm persevering, Ron, but not very hopeful. I've marked a couple of
> hundred "Not Spam" messages and I get no false positives, so I'm just
> marking SPAM now.
>
> Come back Spampal - all is forgiven. I hardly got any once I had got
> that running well, but as it is no longer developed I don't suppose it
> will ever be made to work with SSL  connections. Spamihilator does, but
> it won't just stamp the messages as spam so I can handle them within
> Thunderbird, it insists on dumping them in it's own sandbox - and
> checking two programs is a total waste of time. The whole point of an
> anti-spam program is that after a probationary period of time you can
> set it to delete the spam unseen - if you have to check it yourself, you
> may as well just delete the spam manually as it comes in.
>
That is what I do with just about everything, spam or not.  Unless it is
documentation on something, or personal information I need to save, it
all goes to the bit bucket.

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Bob Henson-4
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On 23/10/2014 11:36 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
> Bob Henson wrote:
>> Come back Spampal - all is forgiven.
>
> Back when I used to have to manage spam, SpamPal was the ticket.
>
> Then I discovered that gmail has excellent spam filtering, so I didn't
> need SpamPal anymore.
>

I did think about using Gmail - but my basic problem is that I don't
trust anyone to correctly filter my mail - I want to do it myself, where
I can see it. That's the deal breaker for me. I have actually
re-installed Spamihilator following this and other recent chats on the
topic - this time I'll give it a long fair trial. Whilst it doesn't do
all that I want, if I spend time training it now, in theory I will
eventually be able to leave it to it's own devices and check it very
infrequently. So far, so good.


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Mike Easter-2
Bob Henson wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:

>> Then I discovered that gmail has excellent spam filtering, so I didn't
>> need SpamPal anymore.
>
> I did think about using Gmail - but my basic problem is that I don't
> trust anyone to correctly filter my mail - I want to do it myself, where
> I can see it.

Let's say you use Tb as your mail agent and gmail's IMAP as your
mailserver.  (Personally) I would configure Tb to NOT access the gmail
spam folder in preference to accessing/reviewing the spam folder content
periodically at gmail to make sure gmail isn't getting false positives.

The reason I would do it that way is because gmail's incidence of false
positives is so low that the frequency of need to access/inspect the
spam folder is also low; so IMO you are better off leaving that spam on
gmail's servers and letting gmail autodelete it later at its expiry, 30
days and when you periodically visit the spam folder you can one-click
to delete all the spam you've checked instead of continuing to hold it
for inspection.

BUT...

... if you feel very strongly about wanting to inspect the content of
your spam folder on a frequent basis and don't want to have to access
gmail's webmail spam folder, you can configure your IMAP to include the
spam folder.

You will find that gmail's spam filter is 'practically' perfect; an
occasional spam getting by and practically never a false positive.


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Bob Henson-4
On 24/10/2014 5:36 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

> Bob Henson wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>>> Then I discovered that gmail has excellent spam filtering, so I didn't
>>> need SpamPal anymore.
>>
>> I did think about using Gmail - but my basic problem is that I don't
>> trust anyone to correctly filter my mail - I want to do it myself, where
>> I can see it.
>
> Let's say you use Tb as your mail agent and gmail's IMAP as your
> mailserver.  (Personally) I would configure Tb to NOT access the gmail
> spam folder in preference to accessing/reviewing the spam folder content
> periodically at gmail to make sure gmail isn't getting false positives.
>
> The reason I would do it that way is because gmail's incidence of false
> positives is so low that the frequency of need to access/inspect the
> spam folder is also low; so IMO you are better off leaving that spam on
> gmail's servers and letting gmail autodelete it later at its expiry, 30
> days and when you periodically visit the spam folder you can one-click
> to delete all the spam you've checked instead of continuing to hold it
> for inspection.
>
> BUT...
>
> ... if you feel very strongly about wanting to inspect the content of
> your spam folder on a frequent basis and don't want to have to access
> gmail's webmail spam folder, you can configure your IMAP to include the
> spam folder.
>
> You will find that gmail's spam filter is 'practically' perfect; an
> occasional spam getting by and practically never a false positive.
>
>

I don't use IMAP, and never will. I use several e-mail domains on more
than one host server, and going to different local machines, so routing
them all via Gmail is not really an option, on reflection.

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rebro
Am 24.10.2014 um 20:19 schrieb Bob Henson:

> On 24/10/2014 5:36 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
>> Bob Henson wrote:
>>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>
>>>> Then I discovered that gmail has excellent spam filtering, so I didn't
>>>> need SpamPal anymore.
>>>
>>> I did think about using Gmail - but my basic problem is that I don't
>>> trust anyone to correctly filter my mail - I want to do it myself, where
>>> I can see it.
>>
>> Let's say you use Tb as your mail agent and gmail's IMAP as your
>> mailserver.  (Personally) I would configure Tb to NOT access the gmail
>> spam folder in preference to accessing/reviewing the spam folder content
>> periodically at gmail to make sure gmail isn't getting false positives.
>>
>> The reason I would do it that way is because gmail's incidence of false
>> positives is so low that the frequency of need to access/inspect the
>> spam folder is also low; so IMO you are better off leaving that spam on
>> gmail's servers and letting gmail autodelete it later at its expiry, 30
>> days and when you periodically visit the spam folder you can one-click
>> to delete all the spam you've checked instead of continuing to hold it
>> for inspection.
>>
>> BUT...
>>
>> ... if you feel very strongly about wanting to inspect the content of
>> your spam folder on a frequent basis and don't want to have to access
>> gmail's webmail spam folder, you can configure your IMAP to include the
>> spam folder.
>>
>> You will find that gmail's spam filter is 'practically' perfect; an
>> occasional spam getting by and practically never a false positive.
>>
>>
>
> I don't use IMAP, and never will.


This sounds like a very firm position. Would you mind giving us your
reasons?

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EE-2
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Bob Henson wrote:

> On 22/10/2014 8:34 PM, EE wrote:
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> How To Defeat SPAM ----
>>>
>>> You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
>>> does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
>>> six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
>>> my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
>>> spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
>>> Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
>>> regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
>>> flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
>>> deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
>>> application level.
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>> You can train the client to put spam in the junk folder.  That takes
>> care of part of the hassle, at least.
>>
>
> Not very well though, in the case of Thunderbird. I have tried more than
> once to train it, on different setups and O/Ss too - but it catches very
> little spam at all. This time I have persevered with marking mails for
> much longer - to no avail - most spam still doesn't get filtered out.
>
Really?  It works pretty well for me, with Thunderbird and SeaMonkey.
Considering that at first it has only headers to examine (because I set
those apps to load only headers), I would say that it is doing well.

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Bob Henson-4
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On 24/10/2014 7:38 PM, rebro wrote:

> Am 24.10.2014 um 20:19 schrieb Bob Henson:
>> On 24/10/2014 5:36 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Bob Henson wrote:
>>>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Then I discovered that gmail has excellent spam filtering, so I didn't
>>>>> need SpamPal anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I did think about using Gmail - but my basic problem is that I don't
>>>> trust anyone to correctly filter my mail - I want to do it myself, where
>>>> I can see it.
>>>
>>> Let's say you use Tb as your mail agent and gmail's IMAP as your
>>> mailserver.  (Personally) I would configure Tb to NOT access the gmail
>>> spam folder in preference to accessing/reviewing the spam folder content
>>> periodically at gmail to make sure gmail isn't getting false positives.
>>>
>>> The reason I would do it that way is because gmail's incidence of false
>>> positives is so low that the frequency of need to access/inspect the
>>> spam folder is also low; so IMO you are better off leaving that spam on
>>> gmail's servers and letting gmail autodelete it later at its expiry, 30
>>> days and when you periodically visit the spam folder you can one-click
>>> to delete all the spam you've checked instead of continuing to hold it
>>> for inspection.
>>>
>>> BUT...
>>>
>>> ... if you feel very strongly about wanting to inspect the content of
>>> your spam folder on a frequent basis and don't want to have to access
>>> gmail's webmail spam folder, you can configure your IMAP to include the
>>> spam folder.
>>>
>>> You will find that gmail's spam filter is 'practically' perfect; an
>>> occasional spam getting by and practically never a false positive.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't use IMAP, and never will.
>
>
> This sounds like a very firm position. Would you mind giving us your
> reasons?
>

Firstly, and most importantly, there's no point - it doesn't do anything
POP3 can't - so if it works, don't fix it. Over the years I have seen
endless strings of complaints about things that had gone wrong with, or
programs that refuse to work correctly, or refuse to work at all with
IMAP, and none with POP3 that I can remember. When it does work, it's
unnecessarily complicated and causes confusion. I want my mail on my
computer where I have control over it and can work on it easily
off-line. There are probably a few more things, but that should be more
than enough :-)

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rebro
Am 24.10.2014 um 21:46 schrieb Bob Henson:

> On 24/10/2014 7:38 PM, rebro wrote:
>> Am 24.10.2014 um 20:19 schrieb Bob Henson:
>>> On 24/10/2014 5:36 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>> Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Then I discovered that gmail has excellent spam filtering, so I didn't
>>>>>> need SpamPal anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did think about using Gmail - but my basic problem is that I don't
>>>>> trust anyone to correctly filter my mail - I want to do it myself, where
>>>>> I can see it.
>>>>
>>>> Let's say you use Tb as your mail agent and gmail's IMAP as your
>>>> mailserver.  (Personally) I would configure Tb to NOT access the gmail
>>>> spam folder in preference to accessing/reviewing the spam folder content
>>>> periodically at gmail to make sure gmail isn't getting false positives.
>>>>
>>>> The reason I would do it that way is because gmail's incidence of false
>>>> positives is so low that the frequency of need to access/inspect the
>>>> spam folder is also low; so IMO you are better off leaving that spam on
>>>> gmail's servers and letting gmail autodelete it later at its expiry, 30
>>>> days and when you periodically visit the spam folder you can one-click
>>>> to delete all the spam you've checked instead of continuing to hold it
>>>> for inspection.
>>>>
>>>> BUT...
>>>>
>>>> ... if you feel very strongly about wanting to inspect the content of
>>>> your spam folder on a frequent basis and don't want to have to access
>>>> gmail's webmail spam folder, you can configure your IMAP to include the
>>>> spam folder.
>>>>
>>>> You will find that gmail's spam filter is 'practically' perfect; an
>>>> occasional spam getting by and practically never a false positive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't use IMAP, and never will.
>>
>>
>> This sounds like a very firm position. Would you mind giving us your
>> reasons?
>>
>
> Firstly, and most importantly, there's no point - it doesn't do anything
> POP3 can't - so if it works, don't fix it. Over the years I have seen
> endless strings of complaints about things that had gone wrong with, or
> programs that refuse to work correctly, or refuse to work at all with
> IMAP, and none with POP3 that I can remember. When it does work, it's
> unnecessarily complicated and causes confusion. I want my mail on my
> computer where I have control over it and can work on it easily
> off-line. There are probably a few more things, but that should be more
> than enough :-)
>

Thanks.
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Re: How To Defeat SPAM

Jeff Barnett
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Jay Garcia wrote, On 10/21/2014 5:37 PM:

> How To Defeat SPAM ----
>
> You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
> does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
> six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
> my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
> spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
> Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
> regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
> flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
> deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
> application level.
>
> Jay
>
For what it's worth: Comcast seems to catch and delete 99+% of spam
directed at me. I'm amazed that I like. I only hope that mentioning this
fact does not jinx the situation.
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Re: How To Defeat SPAM

richard
On 10/24/2014 4:06 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:

> Jay Garcia wrote, On 10/21/2014 5:37 PM:
>> How To Defeat SPAM ----
>>
>> You can't, only creating filters will work. Why ?? Simple -- reporting
>> does not work. Adding RBLS have some effect but not much. Over the last
>> six months or so I have been adding domain IP's and other addresses to
>> my /etc/hosts.allow file on my server. The next day all of yesterday's
>> spam comes from a different source. And on and on ad nauseum. SPAM
>> Assassin flags SPAM like it should but it still comes in to local boxes
>> regardless. Yes, you CAN configure SA to delete all incoming messages
>> flagged ***SPAM*** but then you run the risk of an important email being
>> deleted. It's basically a no-win situation unless you filter at the
>> application level.
>>
>> Jay
>>
> For what it's worth: Comcast seems to catch and delete 99+% of spam
> directed at me. I'm amazed that I like. I only hope that mentioning this
> fact does not jinx the situation.

Ditto here. Had no spam via Comcast.

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Re: How To Defeat SPAM

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On 10/24/2014 12:46 PM On a whim, Bob Henson pounded out on the keyboard

> On 24/10/2014 7:38 PM, rebro wrote:
>> Am 24.10.2014 um 20:19 schrieb Bob Henson:
>>> On 24/10/2014 5:36 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>> Bob Henson wrote:
>>>>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>>>> Then I discovered that gmail has excellent spam filtering, so I didn't
>>>>>> need SpamPal anymore.
>>>>> I did think about using Gmail - but my basic problem is that I don't
>>>>> trust anyone to correctly filter my mail - I want to do it myself, where
>>>>> I can see it.
>>>> Let's say you use Tb as your mail agent and gmail's IMAP as your
>>>> mailserver.  (Personally) I would configure Tb to NOT access the gmail
>>>> spam folder in preference to accessing/reviewing the spam folder content
>>>> periodically at gmail to make sure gmail isn't getting false positives.
>>>>
>>>> The reason I would do it that way is because gmail's incidence of false
>>>> positives is so low that the frequency of need to access/inspect the
>>>> spam folder is also low; so IMO you are better off leaving that spam on
>>>> gmail's servers and letting gmail autodelete it later at its expiry, 30
>>>> days and when you periodically visit the spam folder you can one-click
>>>> to delete all the spam you've checked instead of continuing to hold it
>>>> for inspection.
>>>>
>>>> BUT...
>>>>
>>>> ... if you feel very strongly about wanting to inspect the content of
>>>> your spam folder on a frequent basis and don't want to have to access
>>>> gmail's webmail spam folder, you can configure your IMAP to include the
>>>> spam folder.
>>>>
>>>> You will find that gmail's spam filter is 'practically' perfect; an
>>>> occasional spam getting by and practically never a false positive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't use IMAP, and never will.
>>
>> This sounds like a very firm position. Would you mind giving us your
>> reasons?
>>
>
> Firstly, and most importantly, there's no point - it doesn't do anything
> POP3 can't - so if it works, don't fix it. Over the years I have seen
> endless strings of complaints about things that had gone wrong with, or
> programs that refuse to work correctly, or refuse to work at all with
> IMAP, and none with POP3 that I can remember. When it does work, it's
> unnecessarily complicated and causes confusion. I want my mail on my
> computer where I have control over it and can work on it easily
> off-line. There are probably a few more things, but that should be more
> than enough :-)
>

It does a lot more than POP, mainly being able to access all of your
folders from any machine, unlike POP access for the Inbox only.




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