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clay-14
On 04/24/2012 4:35 PM, Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
> ...
>>>
>> I must be doing something wrong. I've tried the above, along with
>> several others I found on the web.
>> The wheel still spins...
>>
>> On a side note, why is it all these css tweaks have !important in them?
>> If they're all important, what's the point?
>
> A couple of things, first make sure you're adding the above to your
> target browser's profile chrome/userChrome.css file. Note: This can be
> assured by selecting "Help>Troubleshooting Information" and then
> clicking the "Show Folder" button. If you don't have a "chrome/" folder
> in your profile root, create one and then create an empty userChrome.css
> text file and add the change. Second, you should choose which of the two
> overrides above you prefer and only add that one...

S'pose it makes a difference if I'm adding them to the userChrome file
in my Thunderbird profile instead of the Firefox profile?
Oops...

That small oversight aside, I put first one, then both in the correct
userChrome file. Still no joy.

The format of these look different than the commands I was tinkering
with earlier. Is there a different format for css used in Firefox 3.x vs
css for v11-12?
This box has v3 on it. I was messing with v12.0 earlier.
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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Sailfish-2
My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
6:41 PM:

> On 04/24/2012 4:35 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
>> ...
>>>>
>>> I must be doing something wrong. I've tried the above, along with
>>> several others I found on the web.
>>> The wheel still spins...
>>>
>>> On a side note, why is it all these css tweaks have !important in them?
>>> If they're all important, what's the point?
>>
>> A couple of things, first make sure you're adding the above to your
>> target browser's profile chrome/userChrome.css file. Note: This can be
>> assured by selecting "Help>Troubleshooting Information" and then
>> clicking the "Show Folder" button. If you don't have a "chrome/" folder
>> in your profile root, create one and then create an empty userChrome.css
>> text file and add the change. Second, you should choose which of the two
>> overrides above you prefer and only add that one...
>
> S'pose it makes a difference if I'm adding them to the userChrome file
> in my Thunderbird profile instead of the Firefox profile?
> Oops...
>
> That small oversight aside, I put first one, then both in the correct
> userChrome file. Still no joy.
>
> The format of these look different than the commands I was tinkering
> with earlier. Is there a different format for css used in Firefox 3.x vs
> css for v11-12?
> This box has v3 on it. I was messing with v12.0 earlier.

I no longer have V3 installed but I'm fairly certain that the CSS class
identifiers differ since the whole site security stuff changed after
then at some release level.

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

clay-14
On 04/24/2012 6:53 PM, Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
> 6:41 PM:
>> On 04/24/2012 4:35 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>> I must be doing something wrong. I've tried the above, along with
>>>> several others I found on the web.
>>>> The wheel still spins...
>>>>
>>>> On a side note, why is it all these css tweaks have !important in them?
>>>> If they're all important, what's the point?
>>>
>>> A couple of things, first make sure you're adding the above to your
>>> target browser's profile chrome/userChrome.css file. Note: This can be
>>> assured by selecting "Help>Troubleshooting Information" and then
>>> clicking the "Show Folder" button. If you don't have a "chrome/" folder
>>> in your profile root, create one and then create an empty userChrome.css
>>> text file and add the change. Second, you should choose which of the two
>>> overrides above you prefer and only add that one...
>>
>> S'pose it makes a difference if I'm adding them to the userChrome file
>> in my Thunderbird profile instead of the Firefox profile?
>> Oops...
>>
>> That small oversight aside, I put first one, then both in the correct
>> userChrome file. Still no joy.
>>
>> The format of these look different than the commands I was tinkering
>> with earlier. Is there a different format for css used in Firefox 3.x
>> vs css for v11-12?
>> This box has v3 on it. I was messing with v12.0 earlier.
>
> I no longer have V3 installed but I'm fairly certain that the CSS class
> identifiers differ since the whole site security stuff changed after
> then at some release level.
>
Next time I'm at my other desk I'll try your css tweaks (in the correct
userChrome this time *g*)
The stuff I was trying on v12.0 will probably work in this one...
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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Sailfish-2
My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
8:00 PM:

> On 04/24/2012 6:53 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
>> 6:41 PM:
>>> On 04/24/2012 4:35 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>> I must be doing something wrong. I've tried the above, along with
>>>>> several others I found on the web.
>>>>> The wheel still spins...
>>>>>
>>>>> On a side note, why is it all these css tweaks have !important in
>>>>> them?
>>>>> If they're all important, what's the point?
>>>>
>>>> A couple of things, first make sure you're adding the above to your
>>>> target browser's profile chrome/userChrome.css file. Note: This can be
>>>> assured by selecting "Help>Troubleshooting Information" and then
>>>> clicking the "Show Folder" button. If you don't have a "chrome/" folder
>>>> in your profile root, create one and then create an empty
>>>> userChrome.css
>>>> text file and add the change. Second, you should choose which of the
>>>> two
>>>> overrides above you prefer and only add that one...
>>>
>>> S'pose it makes a difference if I'm adding them to the userChrome file
>>> in my Thunderbird profile instead of the Firefox profile?
>>> Oops...
>>>
>>> That small oversight aside, I put first one, then both in the correct
>>> userChrome file. Still no joy.
>>>
>>> The format of these look different than the commands I was tinkering
>>> with earlier. Is there a different format for css used in Firefox 3.x
>>> vs css for v11-12?
>>> This box has v3 on it. I was messing with v12.0 earlier.
>>
>> I no longer have V3 installed but I'm fairly certain that the CSS class
>> identifiers differ since the whole site security stuff changed after
>> then at some release level.
>>
> Next time I'm at my other desk I'll try your css tweaks (in the correct
> userChrome this time *g*)
> The stuff I was trying on v12.0 will probably work in this one...

Good luck!

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Bill Braun-3
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On 4/24/2012 1:41 PM, Sailfish wrote:

> REF:
> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>
>
> [excerpt quote="
> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
> " /]
>
> Fade to collapse?


Why not increase the prominence of secure and insecure sites in the
address bar? Right now, secure sites highlight the site name with an
insipid blue background.

Bill

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Daniel-257
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David E. Ross wrote:

> On 4/24/12 10:41 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
>> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
>> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
>> " /]
>>
>> Fade to collapse?
>>
>
> This is per bug #742419, which is already implemented for Firefox 14.
> See<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742419>.
>
> I find several things wrong with this.
>
> The justification for eliminating favicons is that malicious Web sites
> might use an icon resembling the padlock that used to indicate a secure
> Web site in Firefox.  That padlock, however, was eliminated when the
> status bar was eliminated a year ago with bug #574688 at
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574688>.  At that time,
> users were told that they should NOT pay any attention to a packlock
> icon and should depend entirely on the color of the address area (URI
> bar) -- even if they were color-blind.  Thus, this justification now for
> eliminating favicons is at best inconsistent and at worst hypocritical.
>
> Then there is the effort and expense of Web site owners to create
> favicons, especially owners of commercial sites who have paid to create
> favicons reflecting their trademarks.  This will all be wasted.  The
> assertion that favicons will still appear on tabs is no answer since
> many naive users do not do tabbed browsing.
>
> What we are seeing here is another example of developers "improving" the
> product without any real benefit to users.  Actually, the developers are
> disimproving the product.
>

Is it just me, ..... or am I missing something???

When I go to bugzilla.mozilla.org, my address bar goes a light shade of
yellow *AND THE PADLOCK DOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE BROWSER SCREEN*
changes to locked. Why the double-up??

And it would make more sense to me to have the padlock up screen,
immediately to the left of the address bar, rather than down in the
bottom right of screen, where, it seems, few bother to look. Anyone??

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Jay Garcia
On 25.04.2012 07:28, Daniel wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Is it just me, ..... or am I missing something???
>
> When I go to bugzilla.mozilla.org, my address bar goes a light shade of
> yellow *AND THE PADLOCK DOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE BROWSER SCREEN*
> changes to locked. Why the double-up??
>
> And it would make more sense to me to have the padlock up screen,
> immediately to the left of the address bar, rather than down in the
> bottom right of screen, where, it seems, few bother to look. Anyone??
>

May be theme dependant. No padlock here at all and the address bar does
not change color. The area to the left of the address bar turns a nice
shade of light blue. Theme is Nuvola and FF 12.0


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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

WaltS-3
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On 04/25/2012 08:28 AM, Daniel wrote:
> Is it just me, ..... or am I missing something???
>
> When I go to bugzilla.mozilla.org, my address bar goes a light shade of
> yellow *AND THE PADLOCK DOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE BROWSER SCREEN*
> changes to locked. Why the double-up??
>
> And it would make more sense to me to have the padlock up screen,
> immediately to the left of the address bar, rather than down in the
> bottom right of screen, where, it seems, few bother to look. Anyone??

I think we are missing something. What version of Firefox are you using?

I believe the discussion here is about a change coming in Firefox 14.

A padlock down in the bottom left of your browser screen indicates to me
that you are using an extension, if you are using a version higher than
3.6.x, since the status bar where the padlock IIRC did appear was
replaced by the add-on bar.

In Firefox 14 the padlock is immediately to the left of the address bar.

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Daniel-257
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Jay Garcia wrote:

> On 25.04.2012 07:28, Daniel wrote:
>
>   --- Original Message ---
>
>> Is it just me, ..... or am I missing something???
>>
>> When I go to bugzilla.mozilla.org, my address bar goes a light shade of
>> yellow *AND THE PADLOCK DOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE BROWSER SCREEN*
>> changes to locked. Why the double-up??
>>
>> And it would make more sense to me to have the padlock up screen,
>> immediately to the left of the address bar, rather than down in the
>> bottom right of screen, where, it seems, few bother to look. Anyone??
>>
>
> May be theme dependant. No padlock here at all and the address bar does
> not change color. The area to the left of the address bar turns a nice
> shade of light blue. Theme is Nuvola and FF 12.0
>
>

SeaMonkey Default Theme, Default Style, i.e:-

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0)
Gecko/20120312 SeaMonkey/2.8

Would be similar on my Linux installation.

On the Mail & Newsgroup and Chatzilla screens, of course, there is no
lock icon, but there certainly is on the browser screen!!

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Daniel-257
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WLS wrote:

> On 04/25/2012 08:28 AM, Daniel wrote:
>> Is it just me, ..... or am I missing something???
>>
>> When I go to bugzilla.mozilla.org, my address bar goes a light shade of
>> yellow *AND THE PADLOCK DOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE BROWSER SCREEN*
>> changes to locked. Why the double-up??
>>
>> And it would make more sense to me to have the padlock up screen,
>> immediately to the left of the address bar, rather than down in the
>> bottom right of screen, where, it seems, few bother to look. Anyone??
>
> I think we are missing something. What version of Firefox are you using?
>
> I believe the discussion here is about a change coming in Firefox 14.
>
> A padlock down in the bottom left of your browser screen indicates to me
> that you are using an extension, if you are using a version higher than
> 3.6.x, since the status bar where the padlock IIRC did appear was
> replaced by the add-on bar.
>
> In Firefox 14 the padlock is immediately to the left of the address bar.
>
> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/

Sorry, I thought I read parts of this thread in m.s.seamonkey, and I have:-

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0)
Gecko/20120312 SeaMonkey/2.8

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

David E. Ross-3
In reply to this post by Bill Braun-3
On 4/25/12 4:14 AM, Bill Braun wrote:

> On 4/24/2012 1:41 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>>
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
>> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
>> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
>> " /]
>>
>> Fade to collapse?
>
>
> Why not increase the prominence of secure and insecure sites in the
> address bar? Right now, secure sites highlight the site name with an
> insipid blue background.
>
> Bill
>

I added the following to userChrome.css in my profile's chrome directory:

/*  Make address area pink instead of yellow when page is secure */
@-moz-document url("chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul")
        { .urlbar-security-level[level="high"],
        .urlbar-security-level[level="low"]
        { background-color: #FFD0F0 !important; color: #000000 } }

This makes the address area pink when the page is secure.  Pink stands
out better than yellow, which was the default.

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Ron Hunter
On 4/25/2012 9:44 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

> On 4/25/12 4:14 AM, Bill Braun wrote:
>> On 4/24/2012 1:41 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>> REF:
>>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>>>
>>>
>>> [excerpt quote="
>>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
>>> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
>>> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
>>> " /]
>>>
>>> Fade to collapse?
>>
>>
>> Why not increase the prominence of secure and insecure sites in the
>> address bar? Right now, secure sites highlight the site name with an
>> insipid blue background.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>
> I added the following to userChrome.css in my profile's chrome directory:
>
> /*  Make address area pink instead of yellow when page is secure */
> @-moz-document url("chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul")
> { .urlbar-security-level[level="high"],
>          .urlbar-security-level[level="low"]
> { background-color: #FFD0F0 !important; color: #000000 } }
>
> This makes the address area pink when the page is secure.  Pink stands
> out better than yellow, which was the default.
>
Gee, what's wrong with green?  Means 'go' for most of us.

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Sailfish-2
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My bloviated meandering follows what Bill Braun graced us with on
4/25/2012 4:14 AM:

> On 4/24/2012 1:41 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/ 
>>
>>
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
>> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
>> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
>> " /]
>>
>> Fade to collapse?
>
>
> Why not increase the prominence of secure and insecure sites in the
> address bar? Right now, secure sites highlight the site name with an
> insipid blue background.
>
That would be better asked in the mozilla.dev.usability group but my
opinion is that Mozilla felt it better to have users expect to see just
one of two icons on the URLbar, a padlock for a https: site and a globe
for a http: site. That way, people are less likely to wonder what a
completely different look for every site meant. Also, the length of the
area used for this is now reduced to a consistent 16bit+margins area
leaving more room for the URL text display.

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Jay Garcia
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On 25.04.2012 07:56, Daniel wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Jay Garcia wrote:
>> On 25.04.2012 07:28, Daniel wrote:
>>
>>   --- Original Message ---
>>
>>> Is it just me, ..... or am I missing something???
>>>
>>> When I go to bugzilla.mozilla.org, my address bar goes a light shade of
>>> yellow *AND THE PADLOCK DOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE BROWSER SCREEN*
>>> changes to locked. Why the double-up??
>>>
>>> And it would make more sense to me to have the padlock up screen,
>>> immediately to the left of the address bar, rather than down in the
>>> bottom right of screen, where, it seems, few bother to look. Anyone??
>>>
>>
>> May be theme dependant. No padlock here at all and the address bar does
>> not change color. The area to the left of the address bar turns a nice
>> shade of light blue. Theme is Nuvola and FF 12.0
>>
>>
>
> SeaMonkey Default Theme, Default Style, i.e:-
>
> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0)
> Gecko/20120312 SeaMonkey/2.8
>
> Would be similar on my Linux installation.
>
> On the Mail & Newsgroup and Chatzilla screens, of course, there is no
> lock icon, but there certainly is on the browser screen!!
>

In SM 2.8 I see the same as you.


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clay-14
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Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
> 8:00 PM:
>> On 04/24/2012 6:53 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>...
>>>>
>>>> S'pose it makes a difference if I'm adding them to the userChrome file
>>>> in my Thunderbird profile instead of the Firefox profile?
>>>> Oops...
>>>>
>>>> That small oversight aside, I put first one, then both in the correct
>>>> userChrome file. Still no joy.
>>>>
>>>> The format of these look different than the commands I was tinkering
>>>> with earlier. Is there a different format for css used in Firefox 3.x
>>>> vs css for v11-12?
>>>> This box has v3 on it. I was messing with v12.0 earlier.
>>>
>>> I no longer have V3 installed but I'm fairly certain that the CSS class
>>> identifiers differ since the whole site security stuff changed after
>>> then at some release level.
>>>
>> Next time I'm at my other desk I'll try your css tweaks (in the
>> correct userChrome this time *g*)
>> The stuff I was trying on v12.0 will probably work in this one...
>
> Good luck!
>

Your first one worked on v12.0. No more spinning blue circle. Yay!
The second one didn't appear to do anything.
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Sailfish-2
My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/25/2012
9:15 AM:

> Sailfish wrote:
>> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
>> 8:00 PM:
>>> On 04/24/2012 6:53 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> S'pose it makes a difference if I'm adding them to the userChrome file
>>>>> in my Thunderbird profile instead of the Firefox profile?
>>>>> Oops...
>>>>>
>>>>> That small oversight aside, I put first one, then both in the correct
>>>>> userChrome file. Still no joy.
>>>>>
>>>>> The format of these look different than the commands I was tinkering
>>>>> with earlier. Is there a different format for css used in Firefox 3.x
>>>>> vs css for v11-12?
>>>>> This box has v3 on it. I was messing with v12.0 earlier.
>>>>
>>>> I no longer have V3 installed but I'm fairly certain that the CSS class
>>>> identifiers differ since the whole site security stuff changed after
>>>> then at some release level.
>>>>
>>> Next time I'm at my other desk I'll try your css tweaks (in the
>>> correct userChrome this time *g*)
>>> The stuff I was trying on v12.0 will probably work in this one...
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>
> Your first one worked on v12.0. No more spinning blue circle. Yay!
> The second one didn't appear to do anything.

The 2nd override may be Fx 14 specific. Anyway, good to hear that it's
working the way you want.

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

clay-14
On 04/25/2012 9:48 AM, Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/25/2012
> 9:15 AM:
>> Sailfish wrote:
>>> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
>>> 8:00 PM:
>>>> On 04/24/2012 6:53 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S'pose it makes a difference if I'm adding them to the userChrome
>>>>>> file
>>>>>> in my Thunderbird profile instead of the Firefox profile?
>>>>>> Oops...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That small oversight aside, I put first one, then both in the correct
>>>>>> userChrome file. Still no joy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The format of these look different than the commands I was tinkering
>>>>>> with earlier. Is there a different format for css used in Firefox 3.x
>>>>>> vs css for v11-12?
>>>>>> This box has v3 on it. I was messing with v12.0 earlier.
>>>>>
>>>>> I no longer have V3 installed but I'm fairly certain that the CSS
>>>>> class
>>>>> identifiers differ since the whole site security stuff changed after
>>>>> then at some release level.
>>>>>
>>>> Next time I'm at my other desk I'll try your css tweaks (in the
>>>> correct userChrome this time *g*)
>>>> The stuff I was trying on v12.0 will probably work in this one...
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>
>> Your first one worked on v12.0. No more spinning blue circle. Yay!
>> The second one didn't appear to do anything.
>
> The 2nd override may be Fx 14 specific. Anyway, good to hear that it's
> working the way you want.
>
Thank you for the help.
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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Ron Hunter
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On 4/25/2012 11:00 AM, Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what Bill Braun graced us with on
> 4/25/2012 4:14 AM:
>> On 4/24/2012 1:41 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>>> REF:
>>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [excerpt quote="
>>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
>>> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
>>> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
>>> " /]
>>>
>>> Fade to collapse?
>>
>>
>> Why not increase the prominence of secure and insecure sites in the
>> address bar? Right now, secure sites highlight the site name with an
>> insipid blue background.
>>
> That would be better asked in the mozilla.dev.usability group but my
> opinion is that Mozilla felt it better to have users expect to see just
> one of two icons on the URLbar, a padlock for a https: site and a globe
> for a http: site. That way, people are less likely to wonder what a
> completely different look for every site meant. Also, the length of the
> area used for this is now reduced to a consistent 16bit+margins area
> leaving more room for the URL text display.
>
Good.  The old one was MUCH too large for the purpose it served.

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Desiree-11
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> On 04/25/2012 08:28 AM, Daniel wrote:
>> Is it just me, ..... or am I missing something???
>>
>> When I go to bugzilla.mozilla.org, my address bar goes a light shade of
>> yellow *AND THE PADLOCK DOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE BROWSER SCREEN*
>> changes to locked. Why the double-up??
>>
>> And it would make more sense to me to have the padlock up screen,
>> immediately to the left of the address bar, rather than down in the
>> bottom right of screen, where, it seems, few bother to look. Anyone??
>
> I think we are missing something. What version of Firefox are you using?
>
> I believe the discussion here is about a change coming in Firefox 14.
>
> A padlock down in the bottom left of your browser screen indicates to me
> that you are using an extension, if you are using a version higher than
> 3.6.x, since the status bar where the padlock IIRC did appear was
> replaced by the add-on bar.

I use Fx 4 and 10 Enterprise. I have Padlock extension. It gives a number of
places you can choose to place the padlock. I have it at the right end of
the address bar.
>
> In Firefox 14 the padlock is immediately to the left of the address bar.

Why to the left? Traditionally, the padlock has always been the right end of
the address bar in most every browser. Why confuse users by first getting
rid of it and then bringing it back but moving it? I never look at anything
on the left of the address bar (except if I want to click on a standard icon
to do something). Of course, since I have been eminently sensible and
installed the enterprise version, I won't have to deal with any inanities
for a year. Nice relief.
>
> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Daniel-257
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Jay Garcia wrote:

> On 25.04.2012 07:56, Daniel wrote:
>
>   --- Original Message ---
>
>> Jay Garcia wrote:
>>> On 25.04.2012 07:28, Daniel wrote:
>>>
>>>    --- Original Message ---
>>>
>>>> Is it just me, ..... or am I missing something???
>>>>
>>>> When I go to bugzilla.mozilla.org, my address bar goes a light shade of
>>>> yellow *AND THE PADLOCK DOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE BROWSER SCREEN*
>>>> changes to locked. Why the double-up??
>>>>
>>>> And it would make more sense to me to have the padlock up screen,
>>>> immediately to the left of the address bar, rather than down in the
>>>> bottom right of screen, where, it seems, few bother to look. Anyone??
>>>>
>>>
>>> May be theme dependant. No padlock here at all and the address bar does
>>> not change color. The area to the left of the address bar turns a nice
>>> shade of light blue. Theme is Nuvola and FF 12.0
>>>
>>>
>>
>> SeaMonkey Default Theme, Default Style, i.e:-
>>
>> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0)
>> Gecko/20120312 SeaMonkey/2.8
>>
>> Would be similar on my Linux installation.
>>
>> On the Mail&  Newsgroup and Chatzilla screens, of course, there is no
>> lock icon, but there certainly is on the browser screen!!
>>
>
> In SM 2.8 I see the same as you.
>
>

So what do you think, Jay?? Should I submit a SM RFE to Bugzilla to get
the padlock moved from the bottom right to up next to the address bar??

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