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Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Sailfish-2
REF:
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/

[excerpt quote="
The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
" /]

Fade to collapse?

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Ron Hunter
On 4/24/2012 12:41 PM, Sailfish wrote:

> REF:
> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>
>
> [excerpt quote="
> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
> " /]
>
> Fade to collapse?
>
That's ridiculous!
If they send such a favicon, just blank it.

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Sailfish-2
My bloviated meandering follows what Ron Hunter graced us with on
4/24/2012 10:59 AM:

> On 4/24/2012 12:41 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/ 
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
>> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
>> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
>> " /]
>>
>> Fade to collapse?
>>
> That's ridiculous!
> If they send such a favicon, just blank it.
>
In Mozilla's defense, determining all possible padlock image
combinations with a 256 pixel true color image would be cpu-intensive.
Then again, I'd prefer to see the data that measured the seriousness of
this threat.

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Jeff Layman
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On 24/04/2012 18:41, Sailfish wrote:

> REF:
> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>
> [excerpt quote="
> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
> " /]
>
> Fade to collapse?

So I can then uninstall the style at
http://userstyles.org/styles/8026/remove-the-site-identity-button-from-fx3 
which I've used for a year or so. :-)

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Sailfish-2
My bloviated meandering follows what Jeff Layman graced us with on
4/24/2012 12:20 PM:

> On 24/04/2012 18:41, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/ 
>>
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
>> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
>> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
>> " /]
>>
>> Fade to collapse?
>
> So I can then uninstall the style at
> http://userstyles.org/styles/8026/remove-the-site-identity-button-from-fx3 
> which I've used for a year or so. :-)
>
I'm not familiar with all what that add-on does but the nix of the
favicon isn't slated until Fx 14 from my understanding. Also, it
indicates that it will actually just replace site favicons with a
generic padlock (https:) or globe (http:) icons.


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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Gus Richter
On 4/24/2012 4:13 PM, Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what Jeff Layman graced us with on
> 4/24/2012 12:20 PM:
>> On 24/04/2012 18:41, Sailfish wrote:
>>> REF:
>>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>>>
>>>
>>> [excerpt quote="
>>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
>>> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
>>> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
>>> " /]
>>>
>>> Fade to collapse?
>>
>> So I can then uninstall the style at
>> http://userstyles.org/styles/8026/remove-the-site-identity-button-from-fx3
>> which I've used for a year or so. :-)
>>
> I'm not familiar with all what that add-on does but the nix of the
> favicon isn't slated until Fx 14 from my understanding. Also, it
> indicates that it will actually just replace site favicons with a
> generic padlock (https:) or globe (http:) icons.


<http://msujaws.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/an-update-to-site-identity-in-desktop-firefox/>

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

clay-14
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Sailfish wrote:

> REF:
> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/ 
>
>
> [excerpt quote="
> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
> " /]
>
> Fade to collapse?
>

Finally... some useless bloat /removed/ from Firefox.
A small step in the right direction.

&& how about that surprise service that gets installed with v12.0 update?
Shades of Microsoft...

I spent all morning looking for a tweak to turn off that stupid
Microsoft emulating, spinning wheel on the tabs.
So far, no joy...
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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

David E. Ross-3
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On 4/24/12 10:41 AM, Sailfish wrote:

> REF:
> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>
> [excerpt quote="
> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
> " /]
>
> Fade to collapse?
>

This is per bug #742419, which is already implemented for Firefox 14.
See <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742419>.

I find several things wrong with this.

The justification for eliminating favicons is that malicious Web sites
might use an icon resembling the padlock that used to indicate a secure
Web site in Firefox.  That padlock, however, was eliminated when the
status bar was eliminated a year ago with bug #574688 at
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574688>.  At that time,
users were told that they should NOT pay any attention to a packlock
icon and should depend entirely on the color of the address area (URI
bar) -- even if they were color-blind.  Thus, this justification now for
eliminating favicons is at best inconsistent and at worst hypocritical.

Then there is the effort and expense of Web site owners to create
favicons, especially owners of commercial sites who have paid to create
favicons reflecting their trademarks.  This will all be wasted.  The
assertion that favicons will still appear on tabs is no answer since
many naive users do not do tabbed browsing.

What we are seeing here is another example of developers "improving" the
product without any real benefit to users.  Actually, the developers are
disimproving the product.

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Sailfish-2
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My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
3:11 PM:

> Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/ 
>>
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
>> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
>> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
>> " /]
>>
>> Fade to collapse?
>>
[snip /]
>
> I spent all morning looking for a tweak to turn off that stupid
> Microsoft emulating, spinning wheel on the tabs.
> So far, no joy...

Text edit profile chrome/userChrome.css file.

Try this if you want the site favicon to remain:

.tab-throbber,
.tab-throbber[progress] {
   list-style-image: inherit !important;
}

Try this if you want all image icons to disappear:

.tab-icon {
   display: none !important;
}

Cheers!

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Tarkus-3
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On 4/24/2012 3:41 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

> The justification for eliminating favicons is that malicious Web sites
> might use an icon resembling the padlock that used to indicate a secure
> Web site in Firefox.  That padlock, however, was eliminated when the
> status bar was eliminated a year ago with bug #574688 at
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574688>.  At that time,
> users were told that they should NOT pay any attention to a packlock
> icon and should depend entirely on the color of the address area (URI
> bar) -- even if they were color-blind.  Thus, this justification now for
> eliminating favicons is at best inconsistent and at worst hypocritical.
>
> Then there is the effort and expense of Web site owners to create
> favicons, especially owners of commercial sites who have paid to create
> favicons reflecting their trademarks.  This will all be wasted.  The
> assertion that favicons will still appear on tabs is no answer since
> many naive users do not do tabbed browsing.

You can browse in Firefox without using at least one tab?
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Sailfish-2
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My bloviated meandering follows what David E. Ross graced us with on
4/24/2012 3:41 PM:

> On 4/24/12 10:41 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
>> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
>> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
>> " /]
>>
>> Fade to collapse?
>>
>
> This is per bug #742419, which is already implemented for Firefox 14.
> See <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742419>.
>
> I find several things wrong with this.
>
> The justification for eliminating favicons is that malicious Web sites
> might use an icon resembling the padlock that used to indicate a secure
> Web site in Firefox.  That padlock, however, was eliminated when the
> status bar was eliminated a year ago with bug #574688 at
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574688>.  At that time,
> users were told that they should NOT pay any attention to a packlock
> icon and should depend entirely on the color of the address area (URI
> bar) -- even if they were color-blind.  Thus, this justification now for
> eliminating favicons is at best inconsistent and at worst hypocritical.
>
> Then there is the effort and expense of Web site owners to create
> favicons, especially owners of commercial sites who have paid to create
> favicons reflecting their trademarks.  This will all be wasted.  The
> assertion that favicons will still appear on tabs is no answer since
> many naive users do not do tabbed browsing.
>
> What we are seeing here is another example of developers "improving" the
> product without any real benefit to users.  Actually, the developers are
> disimproving the product.
>
It appears that Mozilla is following Google's lead since Chrome no
longer displays it. While there may be /some/ users out there that don't
use tab browsing, my guess is that the number is small; especially
considering that tab browsing is the default.

I'd prefer to see whatever metrics they used to justify removing it be
part of the bug report but I'm not all that worked up about its removal
from the URLbar.

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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

Tarkus-3
On 4/24/2012 4:07 PM, Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what David E. Ross graced us with on
> 4/24/2012 3:41 PM:
>> On 4/24/12 10:41 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>>> REF:
>>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>>>
>>>
>>> [excerpt quote="
>>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an
>>> unsecured connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with
>>> yesterdays’s nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in
>>> the address bar.
>>> " /]
>>>
>>> Fade to collapse?
>>>
>>
>> This is per bug #742419, which is already implemented for Firefox 14.
>> See <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742419>.
>>
>> I find several things wrong with this.
>>
>> The justification for eliminating favicons is that malicious Web sites
>> might use an icon resembling the padlock that used to indicate a secure
>> Web site in Firefox.  That padlock, however, was eliminated when the
>> status bar was eliminated a year ago with bug #574688 at
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574688>.  At that time,
>> users were told that they should NOT pay any attention to a packlock
>> icon and should depend entirely on the color of the address area (URI
>> bar) -- even if they were color-blind.  Thus, this justification now for
>> eliminating favicons is at best inconsistent and at worst hypocritical.
>>
>> Then there is the effort and expense of Web site owners to create
>> favicons, especially owners of commercial sites who have paid to create
>> favicons reflecting their trademarks.  This will all be wasted.  The
>> assertion that favicons will still appear on tabs is no answer since
>> many naive users do not do tabbed browsing.
>>
>> What we are seeing here is another example of developers "improving" the
>> product without any real benefit to users.  Actually, the developers are
>> disimproving the product.
>>
> It appears that Mozilla is following Google's lead since Chrome no
> longer displays it. While there may be /some/ users out there that don't
> use tab browsing, my guess is that the number is small; especially
> considering that tab browsing is the default.
>
> I'd prefer to see whatever metrics they used to justify removing it be
> part of the bug report but I'm not all that worked up about its removal
> from the URLbar.

Yeah, no big deal to me either way.  Seemed kind of redundant, but I
didn't mind it.  Don't mind it going away either.  /shrug
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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

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On 04/24/2012 3:57 PM, Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
> 3:11 PM:
>> Sailfish wrote:
>>...
>>
>> I spent all morning looking for a tweak to turn off that stupid
>> Microsoft emulating, spinning wheel on the tabs.
>> So far, no joy...
>
> Text edit profile chrome/userChrome.css file.
>
> Try this if you want the site favicon to remain:
>
> .tab-throbber,
> .tab-throbber[progress] {
> list-style-image: inherit !important;
> }
>
> Try this if you want all image icons to disappear:
>
> .tab-icon {
> display: none !important;
> }
>
> Cheers!
>

I must be doing something wrong. I've tried the above, along with
several others I found on the web.
The wheel still spins...

On a side note, why is it all these css tweaks have !important in them?
If they're all important, what's the point?
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Re: Firefox kills off favicon in URL bar

David E. Ross-3
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On 4/24/12 4:03 PM, Tarkus wrote:

> On 4/24/2012 3:41 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> The justification for eliminating favicons is that malicious Web sites
>> might use an icon resembling the padlock that used to indicate a secure
>> Web site in Firefox.  That padlock, however, was eliminated when the
>> status bar was eliminated a year ago with bug #574688 at
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574688>.  At that time,
>> users were told that they should NOT pay any attention to a packlock
>> icon and should depend entirely on the color of the address area (URI
>> bar) -- even if they were color-blind.  Thus, this justification now for
>> eliminating favicons is at best inconsistent and at worst hypocritical.
>>
>> Then there is the effort and expense of Web site owners to create
>> favicons, especially owners of commercial sites who have paid to create
>> favicons reflecting their trademarks.  This will all be wasted.  The
>> assertion that favicons will still appear on tabs is no answer since
>> many naive users do not do tabbed browsing.
>
> You can browse in Firefox without using at least one tab?

With a single tab, I set my preferences to hide the tab bar.  This
increases the height of the view port (browser window).

I use SeaMonkey, but the following might work (slightly different) in
Firefox:

1.  On the menu bar, select [Edit > Preference].  (I know this is
different in Firefox.  I think it is [Tools > (something)].)

2.  Under Category on the left side of the Preferences window, select
[Browser > Tabbed Browsing].

3.  On the Tabbed Browsing pane, check the checkbox for "Hide the tab
bar when only one tab is open".

4.  Select the OK button.

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Sailfish-2
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My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
4:19 PM:

> On 04/24/2012 3:57 PM, Sailfish wrote:
>> My bloviated meandering follows what clay graced us with on 4/24/2012
>> 3:11 PM:
>>> Sailfish wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>> I spent all morning looking for a tweak to turn off that stupid
>>> Microsoft emulating, spinning wheel on the tabs.
>>> So far, no joy...
>>
>> Text edit profile chrome/userChrome.css file.
>>
>> Try this if you want the site favicon to remain:
>>
>> .tab-throbber,
>> .tab-throbber[progress] {
>> list-style-image: inherit !important;
>> }
>>
>> Try this if you want all image icons to disappear:
>>
>> .tab-icon {
>> display: none !important;
>> }
>>
> I must be doing something wrong. I've tried the above, along with
> several others I found on the web.
> The wheel still spins...
>
> On a side note, why is it all these css tweaks have !important in them?
> If they're all important, what's the point?

A couple of things, first make sure you're adding the above to your
target browser's profile chrome/userChrome.css file. Note: This can be
assured by selecting "Help>Troubleshooting Information" and then
clicking the "Show Folder" button. If you don't have a "chrome/" folder
in your profile root, create one and then create an empty userChrome.css
text file and add the change. Second, you should choose which of the two
overrides above you prefer and only add that one. Alternatively, I've
heard that the Stylish add-on makes adding chrome CSS changes easier
(I've never used it.)

The " !important" flag may or may not be needed but it's generally wise
to add it for all userChrome.css overrides since that should insure that
it's declaration over-rules any others (most of the time.) The
userChrome.css file is read AFTER all other chrome CSS files are loaded.
There are cases where it won't, having to do with high-order precedence
within the theme files, but those are the rare instances.

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> On 4/24/12 10:41 AM, Sailfish wrote:
>> REF:
>> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/04/24/firefox-is-killing-off-the-favicon/
>>
>> [excerpt quote="
>> The problem, apparently, arrises when sites decide to use tricky
>> favicons such as padlocks to give off a false sense of security.
>> According to the blog post, “this behavior can trick users in to
>> thinking that a site is using a secure connection when on an unsecured
>> connection.” Because of these offenders, starting with yesterdays’s
>> nightly, Firefox will no longer include the favicon in the address bar.
>> " /]
>>
>> Fade to collapse?
>>
>
> This is per bug #742419, which is already implemented for Firefox 14.
> See <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742419>.
>
> I find several things wrong with this.
>
> The justification for eliminating favicons is that malicious Web sites
> might use an icon resembling the padlock that used to indicate a secure
> Web site in Firefox.  That padlock, however, was eliminated when the
> status bar was eliminated a year ago with bug #574688 at
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574688>.  At that time,
> users were told that they should NOT pay any attention to a packlock
> icon and should depend entirely on the color of the address area (URI
> bar) -- even if they were color-blind.  Thus, this justification now for
> eliminating favicons is at best inconsistent and at worst hypocritical.
One reason I left Opera to come back to Fx, and installed version 4 a little
over a year ago, was because Opera removed the favicon from the address bar.
I HATED that. Many, many users begged Opera to return it.

The real irony here is that Fx has NEVER displayed a colored address bar so
it doesn't matter if you are color blind or not. Fx never displayed that on
Fx3 that I had on a virtual machine or when I upgraded to Fx 4 last year on
my Host machine (from 1.5) or now on Fx 10 Enterprise that I have on a
virtual machine.

I installed Padlock extension on Fx4 and Fx 10. I now have the padlock back
and I also have a colored address bar (yellow for secure and green for
extended validation sites) for the first time. Plus, I have the padlock
displayed where it should be at the right end of the address bar and in the
right bottom of the status bar.

>
> Then there is the effort and expense of Web site owners to create
> favicons, especially owners of commercial sites who have paid to create
> favicons reflecting their trademarks.  This will all be wasted.  The
> assertion that favicons will still appear on tabs is no answer since
> many naive users do not do tabbed browsing.
>
> What we are seeing here is another example of developers "improving" the
> product without any real benefit to users.  Actually, the developers are
> disimproving the product.
No, what we are seeing is an increasingly desperate, misguided attempt to
stem the flood of departing Fx users for Chrome. This will not help Mozilla.
If Mozilla continues to make Fx as stupid and mindless a browser as Chrome
then it will end up with no users. The sheeple don't think at all (believe
Facebook IS the web and there is nothing else - I just talked to an elderly
lady yesterday who thinks this...not just the young thinking a walled
internet is all there is).  The sheeple demand a browser where they do not
have to think at all and Fx cannot be that browser. Fx has lost its way and
its vision. I will never forget the heady days of Phoenix, Sunbird and early
(before 2.0) Fx.
>
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>
> David E. Ross
> <http://www.rossde.com/>.
>
> Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive
> bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation.
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On 4/24/2012 4:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard

> It appears that Mozilla is following Google's lead since Chrome no
> longer displays it. While there may be /some/ users out there that don't
> use tab browsing, my guess is that the number is small; especially
> considering that tab browsing is the default.
>
> I'd prefer to see whatever metrics they used to justify removing it be
> part of the bug report but I'm not all that worked up about its removal
> from the URLbar.
>

I still see the padlock in Chrome.


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My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
with on 4/24/2012 5:34 PM:

> On 4/24/2012 4:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> It appears that Mozilla is following Google's lead since Chrome no
>> longer displays it. While there may be /some/ users out there that don't
>> use tab browsing, my guess is that the number is small; especially
>> considering that tab browsing is the default.
>>
>> I'd prefer to see whatever metrics they used to justify removing it be
>> part of the bug report but I'm not all that worked up about its removal
>> from the URLbar.
>>
> I still see the padlock in Chrome.
>
Yes, that is what Fx 14.0 is adopting rather than the site's favicon.

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On 4/24/2012 4:30 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

> On 4/24/12 4:03 PM, Tarkus wrote:
>> >  On 4/24/2012 3:41 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>>> >>  The justification for eliminating favicons is that malicious Web sites
>>> >>  might use an icon resembling the padlock that used to indicate a secure
>>> >>  Web site in Firefox.  That padlock, however, was eliminated when the
>>> >>  status bar was eliminated a year ago with bug #574688 at
>>> >>  <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574688>.  At that time,
>>> >>  users were told that they should NOT pay any attention to a packlock
>>> >>  icon and should depend entirely on the color of the address area (URI
>>> >>  bar) -- even if they were color-blind.  Thus, this justification now for
>>> >>  eliminating favicons is at best inconsistent and at worst hypocritical.
>>> >>
>>> >>  Then there is the effort and expense of Web site owners to create
>>> >>  favicons, especially owners of commercial sites who have paid to create
>>> >>  favicons reflecting their trademarks.  This will all be wasted.  The
>>> >>  assertion that favicons will still appear on tabs is no answer since
>>> >>  many naive users do not do tabbed browsing.
>> >
>> >  You can browse in Firefox without using at least one tab?
> With a single tab, I set my preferences to hide the tab bar.  This
> increases the height of the view port (browser window).

Okay, but if you know enough to do that, you're probably not a "naive user."
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On 4/24/2012 7:42 PM, Sailfish wrote:

> My bloviated meandering follows what [hidden email] graced us
> with on 4/24/2012 5:34 PM:
>> On 4/24/2012 4:07 PM On a whim, Sailfish pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> It appears that Mozilla is following Google's lead since Chrome no
>>> longer displays it. While there may be /some/ users out there that don't
>>> use tab browsing, my guess is that the number is small; especially
>>> considering that tab browsing is the default.
>>>
>>> I'd prefer to see whatever metrics they used to justify removing it be
>>> part of the bug report but I'm not all that worked up about its removal
>>> from the URLbar.
>>>
>> I still see the padlock in Chrome.
>>
> Yes, that is what Fx 14.0 is adopting rather than the site's favicon.
>
Rather have the favicon.
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