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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

The Real Bev
On 02/11/2018 09:43 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:58.0) Gecko/20100101
>>> Firefox/58.0 ID:20180206200532
>>
>> How do you generate that?
>
> With this extension.
>
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nightly-tester-tools/
>
> For older versions of Firefox, SeaMonkey and Thunderbird the user would
> need version 3.10.
>
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nightly-tester-tools/versions/

Thanks.  I used to have it but a lot got lost...

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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

Christian Riechers-3
On 02/11/2018 07:37 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

> On 02/11/2018 09:43 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>
>>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:58.0) Gecko/20100101
>>>> Firefox/58.0 ID:20180206200532
>>>
>>> How do you generate that?
>>
>> With this extension.
>>
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nightly-tester-tools/
>>
>> For older versions of Firefox, SeaMonkey and Thunderbird the user would
>> need version 3.10.
>>
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nightly-tester-tools/versions/
>>
>
> Thanks.  I used to have it but a lot got lost...

It's in the Troubleshooting Information as well.
You don't need an add-on for everything.

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There is something wrong with *you* (was Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software)

Balaco ocalaB
In reply to this post by The Real Bev
Em 10-02-2018 18:20, The Real Bev escreveu:

> On 02/10/2018 11:32 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>> Em 10-02-2018 17:19, The Real Bev escreveu:
>>> On 02/10/2018 01:33 AM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/2/2018, 12:44:57 AM, Lucifer Morningstar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>  Tanstaafl >>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/2/2018, 2:00:53 AM, Lucifer Morningstar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pity you can't do anything useful with the latest version.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean like browse the web?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Browse without it freezing and without it complaining that a script
>>>>>> has stopped working.
>>>
>>> My bitch is the number of videos that no longer play, requiring me to
>>> use Chrome -- which I find distasteful.
>>
>> I do not know anything that will work only in that bad browser, except
>> the Flash plugin based things (which are certainly not the case because
>> these can be played in FF if the plugin is installed). Can you give me
>> an example of a video that does not work in FF?
>
> All Facebook and CNN videos.  Many other news videos.  Youtube works.
> I've downloaded a number of FF extensions for facebook (older versions
> of FF, same problem) that deal with videos, but NOTHING works.  I
> thought that html5 was supposed to solve problems like these, but I had
> no problems with anything back in FF 40+ days :-(
>

I have seen several FB videos using my FF ESR 52.2.0, which I have
installed months ago!

To test CNN, I just opened the site cnn.com, and searched around for a
video to watch. It worked normally! The video I have seen, and it
included a comercial before the actual video, is:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/01/27/van-jones-opening-monologue-trump-presidency-sot.cnn/video/playlists/the-van-jones-show/

There is something wrong with *you*! The only thing I needed to have
enabled for the CNN video working is javascript - without it, they were
just some static images with a few things in front of them. that hint us
they are videos.

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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

Ray_Net
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Christian Riechers wrote on 11-02-18 20:17:

> On 02/11/2018 07:37 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 02/11/2018 09:43 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>
>>>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:58.0) Gecko/20100101
>>>>> Firefox/58.0 ID:20180206200532
>>>> How do you generate that?
>>> With this extension.
>>>
>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nightly-tester-tools/
>>>
>>> For older versions of Firefox, SeaMonkey and Thunderbird the user would
>>> need version 3.10.
>>>
>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nightly-tester-tools/versions/
>>>
>> Thanks.  I used to have it but a lot got lost...
> It's in the Troubleshooting Information as well.
> You don't need an add-on for everything.
>
If you connat find the "Trouble Shooting Information" you can go here:
https://www.whoishostingthis.com/tools/user-agent/
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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

WaltS48-9
On 2/11/18 6:25 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

> Christian Riechers wrote on 11-02-18 20:17:
>> On 02/11/2018 07:37 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 02/11/2018 09:43 AM, WaltS48 wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:58.0) Gecko/20100101
>>>>>> Firefox/58.0 ID:20180206200532
>>>>> How do you generate that?
>>>> With this extension.
>>>>
>>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nightly-tester-tools/
>>>>
>>>> For older versions of Firefox, SeaMonkey and Thunderbird the user
>>>> would
>>>> need version 3.10.
>>>>
>>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nightly-tester-tools/versions/ 
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Thanks.  I used to have it but a lot got lost...
>> It's in the Troubleshooting Information as well.
>> You don't need an add-on for everything.
>>
> If you connat find the "Trouble Shooting Information" you can go here:
> https://www.whoishostingthis.com/tools/user-agent/


How can you not find Help > Troubleshooting Information from the Menu
bar, or Classic Chicken Sandwich Menu button?

Typing about:support in the Address bar also works.

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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

Lucifer Morningstar
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On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:13:33 -0600, Ron Hunter <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>On 10/02/2018 1:32 PM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>> Em 10-02-2018 17:19, The Real Bev escreveu:
>>> On 10/02/2018 01:33 AM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/2/2018, 12:44:57 AM, Lucifer Morningstar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>  Tanstaafl >>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/2/2018, 2:00:53 AM, Lucifer Morningstar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pity you can't do anything useful with the latest version.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean like browse the web?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Browse without it freezing and without it complaining that a script
>>>>>> has stopped working.
>>>
>>> My bitch is the number of videos that no longer play, requiring me to
>>> use Chrome -- which I find distasteful.
>>>
>>
>> I do not know anything that will work only in that bad browser, except
>> the Flash plugin based things (which are certainly not the case because
>> these can be played in FF if the plugin is installed). Can you give me
>> an example of a video that does not work in FF?
>>
>CNET!  ALL OF THEM.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-land-rover-discovery-airstream-glamping/
plays in FF 56.
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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

The Real Bev
On 02/11/2018 09:07 PM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:13:33 -0600, Ron Hunter <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/02/2018 1:32 PM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>>> Em 10-02-2018 17:19, The Real Bev escreveu:
>>>> On 10/02/2018 01:33 AM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/2/2018, 12:44:57 AM, Lucifer Morningstar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>  Tanstaafl >>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2018, 2:00:53 AM, Lucifer Morningstar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pity you can't do anything useful with the latest version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean like browse the web?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Browse without it freezing and without it complaining that a script
>>>>>>> has stopped working.
>>>>
>>>> My bitch is the number of videos that no longer play, requiring me to
>>>> use Chrome -- which I find distasteful.
>>>
>>> I do not know anything that will work only in that bad browser, except
>>> the Flash plugin based things (which are certainly not the case because
>>> these can be played in FF if the plugin is installed). Can you give me
>>> an example of a video that does not work in FF?
>>>
>>CNET!  ALL OF THEM.
>
> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-land-rover-discovery-airstream-glamping/
> plays in FF 56.

        "This device is unable to play the requested video."

FF58.0.2/linux.  Quite a useful error message, right?

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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

WaltS48-9
On 2/12/18 1:29 AM, The Real Bev wrote:

> On 02/11/2018 09:07 PM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:13:33 -0600, Ron Hunter <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/02/2018 1:32 PM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>>>> Em 10-02-2018 17:19, The Real Bev escreveu:
>>>>> On 10/02/2018 01:33 AM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/2/2018, 12:44:57 AM, Lucifer Morningstar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>  Tanstaafl >>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2018, 2:00:53 AM, Lucifer Morningstar <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pity you can't do anything useful with the latest version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You mean like browse the web?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Browse without it freezing and without it complaining that a
>>>>>>>> script
>>>>>>>> has stopped working.
>>>>>
>>>>> My bitch is the number of videos that no longer play, requiring me to
>>>>> use Chrome -- which I find distasteful.
>>>>
>>>> I do not know anything that will work only in that bad browser, except
>>>> the Flash plugin based things (which are certainly not the case
>>>> because
>>>> these can be played in FF if the plugin is installed). Can you give me
>>>> an example of a video that does not work in FF?
>>>>
>>> CNET!  ALL OF THEM.
>>
>> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-land-rover-discovery-airstream-glamping/ 
>>
>> plays in FF 56.
>
>        "This device is unable to play the requested video."
>
> FF58.0.2/linux.  Quite a useful error message, right?
>

No problem with the video here.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:58.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/58.0 ID:20180131010234

What is missing from your device? Have all the necessary codecs
installed? Pulseaudio installed?

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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

Balaco ocalaB
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Em 12-02-2018 03:07, Lucifer Morningstar escreveu:

> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:13:33 -0600, Ron Hunter <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/02/2018 1:32 PM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>>> Em 10-02-2018 17:19, The Real Bev escreveu:
>>>> On 10/02/2018 01:33 AM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/2/2018, 12:44:57 AM, Lucifer Morningstar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>  Tanstaafl >>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/2/2018, 2:00:53 AM, Lucifer Morningstar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pity you can't do anything useful with the latest version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean like browse the web?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Browse without it freezing and without it complaining that a script
>>>>>>> has stopped working.
>>>>
>>>> My bitch is the number of videos that no longer play, requiring me to
>>>> use Chrome -- which I find distasteful.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do not know anything that will work only in that bad browser, except
>>> the Flash plugin based things (which are certainly not the case because
>>> these can be played in FF if the plugin is installed). Can you give me
>>> an example of a video that does not work in FF?
>>>
>> CNET!  ALL OF THEM.
>
> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-land-rover-discovery-airstream-glamping/
> plays in FF 56.
>

What I have to do to play the video? Should it play in the right lower
small window? Clicking there should start it? Clicking does not help.
Neither double clicking. Neither right clicking (which only opens the
menu for generic page parts, not the menu for images or the menu for
links, or anything I could use to ask something specific for that part
of the page). This is Firefox ESR 52.2.0.


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WaltS48-9
On 2/12/18 10:47 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:

> Em 12-02-2018 03:07, Lucifer Morningstar escreveu:
>>
>> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-land-rover-discovery-airstream-glamping/ 
>>
>> plays in FF 56.
>>
>
> What I have to do to play the video? Should it play in the right lower
> small window? Clicking there should start it? Clicking does not help.
> Neither double clicking. Neither right clicking (which only opens the
> menu for generic page parts, not the menu for images or the menu for
> links, or anything I could use to ask something specific for that part
> of the page). This is Firefox ESR 52.2.0.
>
>
Do you have "media.autoplay.enabled" set to "true" in about:config?

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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

Ed Mullen-10
On 2/12/2018 at 10:55 AM, WaltS48 created this epitome of digital genius:

> On 2/12/18 10:47 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>> Em 12-02-2018 03:07, Lucifer Morningstar escreveu:
>>>
>>> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-land-rover-discovery-airstream-glamping/ 
>>>
>>> plays in FF 56.
>>>
>>
>> What I have to do to play the video? Should it play in the right lower
>> small window? Clicking there should start it? Clicking does not help.
>> Neither double clicking. Neither right clicking (which only opens the
>> menu for generic page parts, not the menu for images or the menu for
>> links, or anything I could use to ask something specific for that part
>> of the page). This is Firefox ESR 52.2.0.
>>
>>
> Do you have "media.autoplay.enabled" set to "true" in about:config?
>

I do and the video doesn't play here.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1

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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

Balaco ocalaB
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Em 12-02-2018 13:55, WaltS48 escreveu:

> On 2/12/18 10:47 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>> Em 12-02-2018 03:07, Lucifer Morningstar escreveu:
>>>
>>> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-land-rover-discovery-airstream-glamping/
>>>
>>> plays in FF 56.
>>>
>>
>> What I have to do to play the video? Should it play in the right lower
>> small window? Clicking there should start it? Clicking does not help.
>> Neither double clicking. Neither right clicking (which only opens the
>> menu for generic page parts, not the menu for images or the menu for
>> links, or anything I could use to ask something specific for that part
>> of the page). This is Firefox ESR 52.2.0.
>>
>>
> Do you have "media.autoplay.enabled" set to "true" in about:config?
>

I had and have. Did not change to false to retest, since that would
guarantee it would (some impossible how) "stop" working.

Two lines from about:support :
Version | 52.2.0
User agent | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
                        Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0



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WaltS48-3
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Ed Mullen wrote:

> On 2/12/2018 at 10:55 AM, WaltS48 created this epitome of digital genius:
>> On 2/12/18 10:47 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>>> Em 12-02-2018 03:07, Lucifer Morningstar escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-land-rover-discovery-airstream-glamping/ 
>>>>
>>>> plays in FF 56.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What I have to do to play the video? Should it play in the right
>>> lower small window? Clicking there should start it? Clicking does
>>> not help. Neither double clicking. Neither right clicking (which
>>> only opens the menu for generic page parts, not the menu for images
>>> or the menu for links, or anything I could use to ask something
>>> specific for that part of the page). This is Firefox ESR 52.2.0.
>>>
>>>
>> Do you have "media.autoplay.enabled" set to "true" in about:config?
>>
>
> I do and the video doesn't play here.
>
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
>

I do and the video plays here.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

WaltS48-3
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Balaco ocalaB wrote:

> Em 12-02-2018 13:55, WaltS48 escreveu:
>> On 2/12/18 10:47 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>>> Em 12-02-2018 03:07, Lucifer Morningstar escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-land-rover-discovery-airstream-glamping/ 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> plays in FF 56.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What I have to do to play the video? Should it play in the right lower
>>> small window? Clicking there should start it? Clicking does not help.
>>> Neither double clicking. Neither right clicking (which only opens the
>>> menu for generic page parts, not the menu for images or the menu for
>>> links, or anything I could use to ask something specific for that part
>>> of the page). This is Firefox ESR 52.2.0.
>>>
>>>
>> Do you have "media.autoplay.enabled" set to "true" in about:config?
>>
>
> I had and have. Did not change to false to retest, since that would
> guarantee it would (some impossible how) "stop" working.
>
> Two lines from about:support :
> Version        |    52.2.0
> User agent    |    Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
>             Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
>
>
>

I believe the current version is 52.6.0. Try upgrading, safe mode or
test profile.
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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

Ed Mullen-10
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On 2/12/2018 at 11:29 AM, WaltS48 created this epitome of digital genius:

> Ed Mullen wrote:
>> On 2/12/2018 at 10:55 AM, WaltS48 created this epitome of digital genius:
>>> On 2/12/18 10:47 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>>>> Em 12-02-2018 03:07, Lucifer Morningstar escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-land-rover-discovery-airstream-glamping/ 
>>>>>
>>>>> plays in FF 56.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I have to do to play the video? Should it play in the right
>>>> lower small window? Clicking there should start it? Clicking does
>>>> not help. Neither double clicking. Neither right clicking (which
>>>> only opens the menu for generic page parts, not the menu for images
>>>> or the menu for links, or anything I could use to ask something
>>>> specific for that part of the page). This is Firefox ESR 52.2.0.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Do you have "media.autoplay.enabled" set to "true" in about:config?
>>>
>>
>> I do and the video doesn't play here.
>>
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
>> Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
>>
>
> I do and the video plays here.
>
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1

It does play when in Safe Mode. Hmm.


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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

tanstaafl-2
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On 2/10/2018, 4:33:46 AM, Lucifer Morningstar <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Firefox is not intelligently designed.

Yeah, well, it is easy to armchair quarterback something of which you
know less than zero. Until recently, Firefox was based on 15+ year old
tech, and still is in some areas.

> I don't recall talking about FF being redundant but it is.

As you are well aware, but trying hard to pretend otherwise, I wasn't
talking about FF being redundant, I was talking about your silly easily
refuted comments about it.

> I don't use Facebook.

It was a generic comment about needing some kind of tech crutch to
manage your time for you - again as you well know, but are feigning
ignorance of.
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Re: Firefox is becoming a bloated piece of ram eating software

caver1-5
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On 02/12/2018 01:52 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

> On 2/12/2018 at 11:29 AM, WaltS48 created this epitome of digital genius:
>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>> On 2/12/2018 at 10:55 AM, WaltS48 created this epitome of digital genius:
>>>> On 2/12/18 10:47 AM, Balaco ocalaB wrote:
>>>>> Em 12-02-2018 03:07, Lucifer Morningstar escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2017-land-rover-discovery-airstream-glamping/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> plays in FF 56.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What I have to do to play the video? Should it play in the right
>>>>> lower small window? Clicking there should start it? Clicking does
>>>>> not help. Neither double clicking. Neither right clicking (which
>>>>> only opens the menu for generic page parts, not the menu for images
>>>>> or the menu for links, or anything I could use to ask something
>>>>> specific for that part of the page). This is Firefox ESR 52.2.0.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Do you have "media.autoplay.enabled" set to "true" in about:config?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do and the video doesn't play here.
>>>
>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
>>> Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
>>>
>>
>> I do and the video plays here.
>>
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
>> Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
>
> It does play when in Safe Mode. Hmm.
>
>

That's strange. All I get is a slide show from the above link no video.
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:58.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/58.0

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