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Daily build bustage...end of the line?

David T. Johnson
The last Sea Monkey nightly build was February 6 and it looks like the
situation is the same with Firefox.  I notice that there are not even
any empty folders for the OS/2 contributions anymore on the Mozilla ftp
server.  Peter Weilbacher says he needs help with major coding to get
the new Firefox/Sea Monkey engine to compile and he does not have time
to do it due to travel.  Mike Kaply has not posted here since October,
2006.  Have we reached the end of the line for updates for the
mozilla-based browsers on OS/2?

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Felix Miata-2
On 2007/03/30 08:08 (GMT-0800) David T. Johnson apparently typed:

> Have we reached the end of the line for updates for the
> mozilla-based browsers on OS/2?

> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/

Not quite yet. I use these:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/latest-mozilla1.8/
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

David T. Johnson
Felix Miata wrote:

> On 2007/03/30 08:08 (GMT-0800) David T. Johnson apparently typed:
>
>> Have we reached the end of the line for updates for the
>> mozilla-based browsers on OS/2?
>
>> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/
>> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/
>
> Not quite yet. I use these:
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/latest-mozilla1.8/

As I understand it, the 1.8 versions of Sea Monkey and Firefox are a
'branch' that will end while the 1.9 versions are the 'trunk' which will
continue.  So...we can use the 'branch' versions for a while yet but I
am wondering if the new trunk versions will make it to OS/2?
Personally, I'm using a build of Sea Monkey from April, 2006 that is an
early version of 1.9 and still works fine but browsers eventually get
out of date and can no longer be used.

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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Andy Willis-2
David T. Johnson wrote:

> Felix Miata wrote:
>> On 2007/03/30 08:08 (GMT-0800) David T. Johnson apparently typed:
>>
>>> Have we reached the end of the line for updates for the mozilla-based
>>> browsers on OS/2?
>>
>>> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/
>>> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/
>>
>> Not quite yet. I use these:
>> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/latest-mozilla1.8/ 
>>
>
> As I understand it, the 1.8 versions of Sea Monkey and Firefox are a
> 'branch' that will end while the 1.9 versions are the 'trunk' which will
> continue.  So...we can use the 'branch' versions for a while yet but I
> am wondering if the new trunk versions will make it to OS/2? Personally,
> I'm using a build of Sea Monkey from April, 2006 that is an early
> version of 1.9 and still works fine but browsers eventually get out of
> date and can no longer be used.
>
See Peter Weilbacher's post on 3/23/07 "Need help to implement Thebes
font/text handling".  The build is broken until that is implemented.
Andy
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Michael Kaply-2
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David T. Johnson wrote:

> The last Sea Monkey nightly build was February 6 and it looks like the
> situation is the same with Firefox.  I notice that there are not even
> any empty folders for the OS/2 contributions anymore on the Mozilla ftp
> server.  Peter Weilbacher says he needs help with major coding to get
> the new Firefox/Sea Monkey engine to compile and he does not have time
> to do it due to travel.  Mike Kaply has not posted here since October,
> 2006.  Have we reached the end of the line for updates for the
> mozilla-based browsers on OS/2?
>
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/

I'm still alive :)

Firefox 2 will be alive and well on OS/2 until at least mid 2008.

As far as Firefox 3 goes, as Peter and Andy have pointed out, it's a lot
of work. Firefox is moving on to other technologies that need to be
ported to OS/2, including code rewrite, build system rewrites, etc.

In my opinion (and this is TOTAL opinion) I think it would be more
interesting to work on getting Firefox 2 on OS/2 to be the best it could
possible be (finally fixing PNG bugs and things like that) then it would
be to spend a lot of time on Firefox 3.

But that depends on how long you folks plan to use OS/2 :)

Mike
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Eric W-3
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:12:31 UTC, Michael Kaply <moc.mbi.su@ylpakm> wrote:
> But that depends on how long you folks plan to use OS/2 :)

Is this rhetorical?

os/2 has died a million deaths more than the mainframe at this point....

...eric

PS since I installed the highmem Seamonkey, stability has become phenomenal!


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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

David T. Johnson
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Michael Kaply wrote:

> David T. Johnson wrote:
>> The last Sea Monkey nightly build was February 6 and it looks like the
>> situation is the same with Firefox.  I notice that there are not even
>> any empty folders for the OS/2 contributions anymore on the Mozilla
>> ftp server.  Peter Weilbacher says he needs help with major coding to
>> get the new Firefox/Sea Monkey engine to compile and he does not have
>> time to do it due to travel.  Mike Kaply has not posted here since
>> October, 2006.  Have we reached the end of the line for updates for
>> the mozilla-based browsers on OS/2?
>>
>> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/
>> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/
>
> I'm still alive :)
>
> Firefox 2 will be alive and well on OS/2 until at least mid 2008.
>
> As far as Firefox 3 goes, as Peter and Andy have pointed out, it's a lot
> of work. Firefox is moving on to other technologies that need to be
> ported to OS/2, including code rewrite, build system rewrites, etc.
>
> In my opinion (and this is TOTAL opinion) I think it would be more
> interesting to work on getting Firefox 2 on OS/2 to be the best it could
> possible be (finally fixing PNG bugs and things like that) then it would
> be to spend a lot of time on Firefox 3.
>
> But that depends on how long you folks plan to use OS/2 :)

I'll probably use OS/2 as long as its possible to find an up-to-date
browser to use with it.  If there had been no Mozilla port, I wouldn't
be using OS/2 right now.  Firefox 2 is fine for the present but it's
likely that at some point in the not-to-far-off future it will be
out-of-date.  So...if Firefox 3 is a no-go on OS/2 then Firefox 2/Sea
Monkey 1.1 looks like the end of the line for OS/2 browsers.

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Is Firefox 2 on OS/2 worth any more time?

David T. Johnson
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Michael Kaply wrote:


>
> In my opinion (and this is TOTAL opinion) I think it would be more
> interesting to work on getting Firefox 2 on OS/2 to be the best it could
> possible be (finally fixing PNG bugs and things like that) then it would
> be to spend a lot of time on Firefox 3.
>

It looks to me like there are several different builds of Firefox 2 and
the equivalent Sea Monkey that work pretty well on OS/2 so I really
don't see any point in fiddling with them any more if there is at least
the potential of doing something useful with porting Firefox 3 to OS/2.
  Things like the 'PNG bug' seem pretty trivial, frankly, compared with
the problems of trying to view new web pages with an old browser.

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Re: Is Firefox 2 on OS/2 worth any more time?

Peter Weilbacher
David T. Johnson wrote:

> Michael Kaply wrote:
>
>> In my opinion (and this is TOTAL opinion) I think it would be more
>> interesting to work on getting Firefox 2 on OS/2 to be the best it could
>> possible be (finally fixing PNG bugs and things like that) then it would
>> be to spend a lot of time on Firefox 3.
>
> It looks to me like there are several different builds of Firefox 2 and
> the equivalent Sea Monkey that work pretty well on OS/2 so I really
> don't see any point in fiddling with them any more if there is at least
> the potential of doing something useful with porting Firefox 3 to OS/2.
>   Things like the 'PNG bug' seem pretty trivial, frankly, compared with
> the problems of trying to view new web pages with an old browser.

Actually, I think the "PNG bug" is one of the reasons we should try hard
to get the trunk building again. If we get it done, we get the fix for the
PNG problem for free. I do have a patch that gets it to build, but not to
run yet, so perhaps we are half way there. To get it working really nicely
(with most of the complex scripts) should be possible, too, but will require
more work. See the discussion in the .gfx group.
   Peter.
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Dave Yeo-3
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Michael Kaply wrote:

> David T. Johnson wrote:
>> The last Sea Monkey nightly build was February 6 and it looks like the
>> situation is the same with Firefox.  I notice that there are not even
>> any empty folders for the OS/2 contributions anymore on the Mozilla
>> ftp server.  Peter Weilbacher says he needs help with major coding to
>> get the new Firefox/Sea Monkey engine to compile and he does not have
>> time to do it due to travel.  Mike Kaply has not posted here since
>> October, 2006.  Have we reached the end of the line for updates for
>> the mozilla-based browsers on OS/2?
>>
>> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/contrib/
>> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/contrib/
>
> I'm still alive :)
>
> Firefox 2 will be alive and well on OS/2 until at least mid 2008.
>
> As far as Firefox 3 goes, as Peter and Andy have pointed out, it's a lot
> of work. Firefox is moving on to other technologies that need to be
> ported to OS/2, including code rewrite, build system rewrites, etc.
>
> In my opinion (and this is TOTAL opinion) I think it would be more
> interesting to work on getting Firefox 2 on OS/2 to be the best it could
> possible be (finally fixing PNG bugs and things like that) then it would
> be to spend a lot of time on Firefox 3.
>
> But that depends on how long you folks plan to use OS/2 :)
>
> Mike

As Peter pointed out, the fix for transparent PNGs is to get Firefox 3
working. The beauty of this solution is that the tools needed for
Firefox 3 can also be used in other parts of OS/2. For example I now
have nice transparent png icons on the desktop thanks to Chris
Wohlgemuth using Doodles Cairo port in WPSWizard. (Also the Innotek Font
  Engine for nice text).
So not only does the PNG bug get fixed but our Desktop benefits.
If Peter went the Pango course then I could imagine ways that Pango
could be integrated into the WPS. Plus an up to date Glib2 is nice to
have around.
Dave
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Peter Weilbacher
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 02:40:13 UTC, Dave Yeo wrote:

> If Peter went the Pango course then I could imagine ways that Pango
> could be integrated into the WPS. Plus an up to date Glib2 is nice to
> have around.

Did you have more success getting a recent Pango to compile since you
last posted?
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Dave Yeo-3
Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 02:40:13 UTC, Dave Yeo wrote:
>
>> If Peter went the Pango course then I could imagine ways that Pango
>> could be integrated into the WPS. Plus an up to date Glib2 is nice to
>> have around.
>
> Did you have more success getting a recent Pango to compile since you
> last posted?

Getting a static build is easy with the netlabs glib2. Need to rebuild
glib2 so all libs are shared and I got lost trying to run make check on
glib2.
Building with-included-modules seems to work fine. Though did have to
run make a couple of times. Make check passes all except some documents
(no gtk-doc here) and running the examples creates nice cairo text pngs.
I'll send you the output of the examples privately.
This is Cairo 1.3.6, Pango-1.16.2. Pango was released today.
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Peter Weilbacher
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:20:30 UTC, Dave Yeo wrote:

> Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> > Did you have more success getting a recent Pango to compile since you
> > last posted?
>
> Getting a static build is easy with the netlabs glib2. Need to rebuild
> glib2 so all libs are shared and I got lost trying to run make check on
> glib2.
> Building with-included-modules seems to work fine. Though did have to
> run make a couple of times. Make check passes all except some documents
> (no gtk-doc here) and running the examples creates nice cairo text pngs.
> I'll send you the output of the examples privately.
> This is Cairo 1.3.6, Pango-1.16.2. Pango was released today.

Good to hear!
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Steve Wendt
Peter Weilbacher wrote:

>> This is Cairo 1.3.6, Pango-1.16.2. Pango was released today.
>
> Good to hear!

The current versions of Cairo (currently 1.4.2) have the OS/2 back-end
in them, which presumably will ease the Mozilla build process on OS/2,
once Mozilla incorporates it.  Does anyone know the plans for that?
Perhaps there is a Bugzilla entry?
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Dave Yeo-3
Steve Wendt wrote:

> Peter Weilbacher wrote:
>
>>> This is Cairo 1.3.6, Pango-1.16.2. Pango was released today.
>>
>> Good to hear!
>
> The current versions of Cairo (currently 1.4.2) have the OS/2 back-end
> in them, which presumably will ease the Mozilla build process on OS/2,
> once Mozilla incorporates it.  Does anyone know the plans for that?
> Perhaps there is a Bugzilla entry?

Mozilla has incorporated Cairo for quite some time. Even before Cairo
supported the OS/2 backend (had to manually patch the tree for a while).
Can't remember the bug number now though I'm sure Peter does.
For a while Peters builds were all Cairo enabled then Mozilla started
using Cairo even more (before it was only for svg) and that is why the
tree is broken now. Fonts etc are now displayed with Cairo on trunk.
See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333235 and
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371504 for current efforts.
Dave
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Steve Wendt
Dave Yeo wrote:

>> The current versions of Cairo (currently 1.4.2) have the OS/2 back-end
>> in them, which presumably will ease the Mozilla build process on OS/2,
>> once Mozilla incorporates it.  Does anyone know the plans for that?
>> Perhaps there is a Bugzilla entry?
>
> Mozilla has incorporated Cairo for quite some time. Even before Cairo
> supported the OS/2 backend (had to manually patch the tree for a while).

I know - but it's not on 1.4.x yet, is it?  That's what I was referring to.
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Dave Yeo-3
Steve Wendt wrote:

> Dave Yeo wrote:
>
>>> The current versions of Cairo (currently 1.4.2) have the OS/2
>>> back-end in them, which presumably will ease the Mozilla build
>>> process on OS/2, once Mozilla incorporates it.  Does anyone know the
>>> plans for that? Perhaps there is a Bugzilla entry?
>>
>> Mozilla has incorporated Cairo for quite some time. Even before Cairo
>> supported the OS/2 backend (had to manually patch the tree for a while).
>
> I know - but it's not on 1.4.x yet, is it?  That's what I was referring to.

Sorry I misunderstood. Still the OS/2 backend has been in Cairo quite a
while now.
Anyways trunk is now using 1.4.2. They periodically resync so often they
are a bit behind.
The appropriate readme is
http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/gfx/cairo/README to see the
current included version
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Steve Wendt
Dave Yeo wrote:

> Anyways trunk is now using 1.4.2. They periodically resync so often they
> are a bit behind.

Great, thanks for the info!  What version is the 1.8.1 branch using?
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Re: Daily build bustage...end of the line?

Dave Yeo-3
Steve Wendt wrote:
> Dave Yeo wrote:
>
>> Anyways trunk is now using 1.4.2. They periodically resync so often
>> they are a bit behind.
>
> Great, thanks for the info!  What version is the 1.8.1 branch using?

Seems the 1.8.0 branch is using Cairo 1.0.2.
http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.8/source/gfx/cairo/README
Dave
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