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Bugzilla Installation List

Gervase Markham
I've been remiss at maintaining the Bugzilla Installation List:
http://www.bugzilla.org/installation-list/

Part of the reason is that every time I think about doing it, my heart
sinks because I have a sneaking suspicion some people don't actually use
Bugzilla, they just email their site name in to get Google juice. And
there's no good way of telling. I changed a few years ago to using
rel=nofollow for non-public ones, and that helped, but I still suspect
some of the remaining ones.

And of course there's the issue that we have no idea if people are
_still_ using Bugzilla who said they were 8 years ago.

So my plan is to change the list to list only publicly-accessible
Bugzillas. They can have "requirelogin" set, that's OK, as long as the
front page can be seen over the web. Then we can verify the truthfulness
of assertions.

What other options are there? A ping to us from each install that gives
the urlbase would be a privacy issue, and not necessarily verifiable
anyway. One can imagine more complex schemes, but they'd all require
setting up and maintaining.

Does anyone have an alternative suggestion, or should I go ahead with
the public-only plan?

Gerv
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Re: Bugzilla Installation List

Kleindenst, Fred
I can imagine a feature in the admin section such that:

* admin user:
  -- files out voluntary info
  -- clicks a "send my info to Mozilla" button
* feature compiles some info from existing buzilla installation
  -- some type of checksum for validity checking
  -- maybe an anonymized hash based upon urlbase/etc/etc
  -- report back version info
  -- report back total bugs/comments/users (voluntary)
* feature does a http rpc to a service at Mozilla

Call it "self registration".  Wrap it up with some kind of inducement if you like.

Note my company uses bugzilla, but we don't have our service out in public.

Cheers

--Fred


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I've been remiss at maintaining the Bugzilla Installation List:
http://www.bugzilla.org/installation-list/

Part of the reason is that every time I think about doing it, my heart sinks because I have a sneaking suspicion some people don't actually use Bugzilla, they just email their site name in to get Google juice. And there's no good way of telling. I changed a few years ago to using rel=nofollow for non-public ones, and that helped, but I still suspect some of the remaining ones.

And of course there's the issue that we have no idea if people are _still_ using Bugzilla who said they were 8 years ago.

So my plan is to change the list to list only publicly-accessible Bugzillas. They can have "requirelogin" set, that's OK, as long as the front page can be seen over the web. Then we can verify the truthfulness of assertions.

What other options are there? A ping to us from each install that gives the urlbase would be a privacy issue, and not necessarily verifiable anyway. One can imagine more complex schemes, but they'd all require setting up and maintaining.

Does anyone have an alternative suggestion, or should I go ahead with the public-only plan?

Gerv
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Re: Bugzilla Installation List

Gervase Markham
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On 02/04/14 19:29, Kleindenst, Fred wrote:
> I can imagine a feature in the admin section such that:
<snip>

I can imagine that feature too :-) But it would need coding. And is that
really the best use of anyone's time? Genuine question.

How much value is the installation list? We did originally start it in
part as a way of giving a small SEO boost to Bugzilla users, but it's
not useful for that any more. Is anyone going to choose Bugzilla because
that list is 10000 names rather than 1000?

Gerv

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Re: Bugzilla Installation List

Mark Côté
On 2014-04-03, 11:21 AM, Gervase Markham wrote:

> On 02/04/14 19:29, Kleindenst, Fred wrote:
>> I can imagine a feature in the admin section such that:
> <snip>
>
> I can imagine that feature too :-) But it would need coding. And is that
> really the best use of anyone's time? Genuine question.
>
> How much value is the installation list? We did originally start it in
> part as a way of giving a small SEO boost to Bugzilla users, but it's
> not useful for that any more. Is anyone going to choose Bugzilla because
> that list is 10000 names rather than 1000?

Yeah, definitely an interesting idea, but we'd need someone very
interested in the idea to code it, and as Gerv says, I don't know that
it provides much benefit to anyone anymore.

I agree with Gerv in switching our list to just publicly accessible
installs, at least until such a time as the above feature might be
implemented.  I've noticed at least one site that's not on there right
now (LibreOffice).

Mark

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Re: Bugzilla Installation List

Cédric Corazza
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Le 03/04/2014 17:21, Gervase Markham a écrit :
> On 02/04/14 19:29, Kleindenst, Fred wrote:
>> I can imagine a feature in the admin section such that:
> <snip>

Unless I misunderstood, what would prevent me to setup a test machine,
opt in to get referenced and not have a really used Bugzilla installation?

> I can imagine that feature too :-) But it would need coding. And is that
> really the best use of anyone's time? Genuine question.

Agreed: there is not so much coder resources on that project to afford
spending time on this (cf. next point)

> How much value is the installation list? We did originally start it in
> part as a way of giving a small SEO boost to Bugzilla users, but it's
> not useful for that any more. Is anyone going to choose Bugzilla because
> that list is 10000 names rather than 1000?

Agreed again. Your proposal about referencing only public accessible
Bugzilla installations seems a good compromise to me: no coding, easy
checking (though it could be fake installations in case login is
mandatory and moderated), etc. As you wrote, does this project need to
have a long list of adopters to boost further adoptions? I don't think so.
My two cents

Cédric

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Re: Bugzilla Installation List

Gervase Markham
On 04/04/14 00:07, Cédric Corazza wrote:
> Unless I misunderstood, what would prevent me to setup a test machine,
> opt in to get referenced and not have a really used Bugzilla installation?

Nothing, except that I suspect that SEO-optimizers would not go to that
much effort for one link.

Gerv
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