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Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

John A.-2
http://groups.google.com/group/netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey/msg/484db1ebbaad3c3c

Text of bug:

"Well, lets get the ball rolling here. For many and sundry reasons I
and others would like to see the new Mozilla newsgroups (or at least
the announce & support groups, but preferably all of them) propagated
to the rest of usenet.

My own reasons are flat-out convenience and to grow and maintain as
large a support (& development) community as possible.

I invite others to post other reasons here as well."
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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Oleg O.
In article <[hidden email]>,
John A.  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>http://groups.google.com/group/netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey/msg/484db1ebbaad3c3c
>
>Text of bug:
>
>"Well, lets get the ball rolling here. For many and sundry reasons I
>and others would like to see the new Mozilla newsgroups (or at least
>the announce & support groups, but preferably all of them) propagated
>to the rest of usenet.
...

The correct link to this bug is:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323820


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bugzilla voting (was: Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.)

Chris Ilias
_Oleg O._ spoke thusly on 17/01/2006 7:24 PM:
> The correct link to this bug is:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323820

"*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***"

How is it that two people can give a bug 20 votes?
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Re: bugzilla voting (was: Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.)

Oleg O.
In article <[hidden email]>,
Chris Ilias  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>_Oleg O._ spoke thusly on 17/01/2006 7:24 PM:
>> The correct link to this bug is:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323820

>How is it that two people can give a bug 20 votes?

Try voting for it, and you'll see :)

>"*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***"

Looks like not everybody uses smileys, all the time...

  Oleg

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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Marc Jacobsen
In reply to this post by John A.-2
John A. wrote:

> http://groups.google.com/group/netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey/msg/484db1ebbaad3c3c
>
> Text of bug:
>
> "Well, lets get the ball rolling here. For many and sundry reasons I
> and others would like to see the new Mozilla newsgroups (or at least
> the announce & support groups, but preferably all of them) propagated
> to the rest of usenet.
>
> My own reasons are flat-out convenience and to grow and maintain as
> large a support (& development) community as possible.
>
> I invite others to post other reasons here as well."

I would think it would be important to the many people behind corporate
firewalls.  Many people set up a web (http) proxy and nothing else when
behind such firewalls (I know I do).

I doubt SOCKS proxies are available in all such environments, and even
if they were, a lot of people would be unaware of it and/or how to
configure their newsgroup reader to use it.

So the news.mozilla.org (or whatever) server is probably not easily
accessible to all people.
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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Johannes Kastl
On 1/18/2006 7:21 PM Marc Jacobsen wrote:

[Firewalls]

> So the news.mozilla.org (or whatever) server is probably not easily
> accessible to all people.

If the cant connect to nerws.mozilla.org, the wont be able to connect
to INSERT.NEWSSERVER.HERE either.
Its nntp, not http, and another port. Or did I get something wrong there?

OJ
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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Oleg O.
In article <[hidden email]>,
Johannes Kastl  <[hidden email]> wrote:

>On 1/18/2006 7:21 PM Marc Jacobsen wrote:
>
>[Firewalls]
>
>> So the news.mozilla.org (or whatever) server is probably not easily
>> accessible to all people.
>
>If the cant connect to nerws.mozilla.org, the wont be able to connect
>to INSERT.NEWSSERVER.HERE either.
>Its nntp, not http, and another port. Or did I get something wrong there?

Some large organizations maintain their own Usenet servers inside the
firewall.

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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Marc Jacobsen
Oleg O. wrote:

> In article <[hidden email]>,
> Johannes Kastl  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 1/18/2006 7:21 PM Marc Jacobsen wrote:
>>
>> [Firewalls]
>>
>>> So the news.mozilla.org (or whatever) server is probably not easily
>>> accessible to all people.
>> If the cant connect to nerws.mozilla.org, the wont be able to connect
>> to INSERT.NEWSSERVER.HERE either.
>> Its nntp, not http, and another port. Or did I get something wrong there?
>
> Some large organizations maintain their own Usenet servers inside the
> firewall.
>
Exactly.  I guess I should have clarified that.

However, I also realized that the set of people who know about and care
about usenet news groups is probably close to the set of people who know
about SOCKS and how to configure it.  I have been surprised many times
by computer literate people who don't know about usenet news.

So on second thought, my point is probably less relevant than I
initially thought.
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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Johannes Kastl
On 01/19/2006 01:26 AM Marc Jacobsen wrote:
> Oleg O. wrote:

>> Some large organizations maintain their own Usenet servers inside the
>> firewall.
>>
> Exactly.  I guess I should have clarified that.

Ah, I see, thanks for clearing that up.


> However, I also realized that the set of people who know about and care
> about usenet news groups is probably close to the set of people who know
> about SOCKS and how to configure it.  I have been surprised many times
> by computer literate people who don't know about usenet news.

ACK. I find posting to Usenet much much more convenient than writing
in a web forum or a mailinglist.

> So on second thought, my point is probably less relevant than I
> initially thought.

Thats often the case ;-)

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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Chris Ilias
_Johannes Kastl_ spoke thusly on 19/01/2006 7:20 AM:
> ACK. I find posting to Usenet much much more convenient than writing
> in a web forum or a mailinglist.

Keep in mind that even though the new groups are not Usenet newsgroups,
they /are/ still newsgroups.
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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Johannes Kastl
On 01/19/2006 07:37 PM Chris Ilias wrote:

> Keep in mind that even though the new groups are not Usenet newsgroups,
> they /are/ still newsgroups.

Im sorry? I use "newsgroup" and "Usenet" similarly. I only differ
between "postings on server"(aka newsgroups or Usenet), "posting in my
mail account" and web forum.

Thats what I meant to say. If I mixed up names please feel free to
correct me.

OJ
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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Chris Ilias
_Johannes Kastl_ spoke thusly on 19/01/2006 1:53 PM:

> On 01/19/2006 07:37 PM Chris Ilias wrote:
>
>> Keep in mind that even though the new groups are not Usenet newsgroups,
>> they /are/ still newsgroups.
>
> Im sorry? I use "newsgroup" and "Usenet" similarly. I only differ
> between "postings on server"(aka newsgroups or Usenet), "posting in my
> mail account" and web forum.
>
> Thats what I meant to say. If I mixed up names please feel free to
> correct me.

Well, I may have misinterpreted your post, but the term "newsgroup" is
not exclusive to Usenet. Usenet is a distribution system. If a newsgroup
is not propagated to Usenet, that does not mean it is a web-forum or a
mailing list.
When you say that Usenet is "much much more convenient than writing
in a web forum or a mailinglist", that has more to do with the fact that
they are newsgroups, rather than the fact that they are on Usenet.
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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Johannes Kastl
On 01/19/2006 10:27 PM Chris Ilias wrote:

> Well, I may have misinterpreted your post, but the term "newsgroup" is
> not exclusive to Usenet. Usenet is a distribution system. If a newsgroup
> is not propagated to Usenet, that does not mean it is a web-forum or a
> mailing list.

OK.

> When you say that Usenet is "much much more convenient than writing
> in a web forum or a mailinglist", that has more to do with the fact that
> they are newsgroups, rather than the fact that they are on Usenet.

Thanks for clarifying.

OJ
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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

jonsmirl@gmail.com
The gmane groups propagate. Can't you just subscribe gmane to the
email version of the groups and then let it spread out from there?

http://gmane.org/subscribe.php

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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

John A.-2
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:11:26 -0500, Jon Smirl <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>The gmane groups propagate. Can't you just subscribe gmane to the
>email version of the groups and then let it spread out from there?
>
>http://gmane.org/subscribe.php

OOH OOH OOH!

I was thinking of just this sort of thing the last couple days but had
no idea someone had already done it.

Hmmm... are you sure they propagate, though? I don't see any gmane
groups on Verizon's server. I'll check Adelphia when I get home.
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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

jonsmirl@gmail.com
On 1/19/06, John A. <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:11:26 -0500, Jon Smirl <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >The gmane groups propagate. Can't you just subscribe gmane to the
> >email version of the groups and then let it spread out from there?
> >
> >http://gmane.org/subscribe.php
>
> OOH OOH OOH!
>
> I was thinking of just this sort of thing the last couple days but had
> no idea someone had already done it.
>
> Hmmm... are you sure they propagate, though? I don't see any gmane
> groups on Verizon's server. I'll check Adelphia when I get home.

They are on the Google and Giganews servers.

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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Will L <Nabble>
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Hi,

Besides Usenet, Nabble is another way to propagate the group. As you mentioned, usenet may require additional software and configuration to be accessible to uses. Nabble is a new project that works like Gmane to mirror mailing lists in a web-based UI. It provides mailing list with a searchable archive, a threaded view, and also a web gateway.

I am a member of the Nabble project. You can view the mirror of Seamonkey list here: http://www.nabble.com/Mozilla---Seamonkey-f6682.html - the default view is a flat dump view, but click the "View Threaded" link you will see the threaded view to show the context of a discussion.

I hope this helps the discussion.

Will L
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Marc Jacobsen wrote
John A. wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey/msg/484db1ebbaad3c3c
>
> Text of bug:
>
> "Well, lets get the ball rolling here. For many and sundry reasons I
> and others would like to see the new Mozilla newsgroups (or at least
> the announce & support groups, but preferably all of them) propagated
> to the rest of usenet.
>
> My own reasons are flat-out convenience and to grow and maintain as
> large a support (& development) community as possible.
>
> I invite others to post other reasons here as well."
...
So the news.mozilla.org (or whatever) server is probably not easily
accessible to all people.
...
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Re: Bug filed to propagate groups. Please vote. Please speak up.

Johannes Kastl
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On 1/19/2006 11:11 PM Jon Smirl wrote:

> --
> Jon Smirl

Your sig separator is broken. It should be "-- ", that means MINUS
MINUS SPACE (obviously without the quotes).

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