[ANNOUNCE] Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

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[ANNOUNCE] Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Mark Banner-4
Hi all,

Sign offs are now open for the first beta build of Thunderbird 3.3.

These will be open until 24 May @ 23:59 PDT.

To be included in Thunderbird 3.3, we're setting the target date at 7
June. There will be at least one more beta build after that date, and
there may be others before then, if we need them.

Your signoffs are available here:

https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/dashboard?av=tb3.3

Due to a minor issue with the infrastructure set up, the majority of you
will need to push at least one changeset to your releases/l10n-miramar
repository, this could just be a whitespace change if you're green
already and not got anything extra to push.

If you have any problems, please let us know and we'll get you fixed up.

Well done to the 23 locales who are green already, that's good progress.

Mark.
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Re: Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Vito Smolej-3
On 18 Mai, 10:35, Mark Banner <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sign offs are now open for the first beta build of Thunderbird 3.3.
>
> These will be open until 24 May @ 23:59 PDT.
>
> To be included in Thunderbird 3.3, we're setting the target date at 7
> June. There will be at least one more beta build after that date, and
> there may be others before then, if we need them.
>
> Your signoffs are available here:
>
> https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/dashboard?av=tb3.3
>
> Due to a minor issue with the infrastructure set up, the majority of you
> will need to push at least one changeset to your releases/l10n-miramar
> repository, this could just be a whitespace change if you're green
> already and not got anything extra to push.
>
> If you have any problems, please let us know and we'll get you fixed up.
>
> Well done to the 23 locales who are green already, that's good progress.
>
> Mark.

Hi Mark:
The miramar release repo is http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-miramar,
correct?
I get changes for accountCreation.dtd for instance (build 135190) that
are already
committed (http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n/mozilla-aurora/sl/)
since 2 days.

TiA

smo
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Re: Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Vito Smolej-3
On 19 Mai, 22:29, smo <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 18 Mai, 10:35, Mark Banner <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi all,
>
> > Sign offs are now open for the first beta build of Thunderbird 3.3.
>
> > These will be open until 24 May @ 23:59 PDT.
>
> > To be included in Thunderbird 3.3, we're setting the target date at 7
> > June. There will be at least one more beta build after that date, and
> > there may be others before then, if we need them.
>
> > Your signoffs are available here:
>
> >https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/dashboard?av=tb3.3
>
> > Due to a minor issue with the infrastructure set up, the majority of you
> > will need to push at least one changeset to your releases/l10n-miramar
> > repository, this could just be a whitespace change if you're green
> > already and not got anything extra to push.
>
> > If you have any problems, please let us know and we'll get you fixed up.
>
> > Well done to the 23 locales who are green already, that's good progress.
>
> > Mark.
>
> Hi Mark:
> The miramar release repo ishttp://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-miramar,
> correct?
> I get changes for accountCreation.dtd for instance (build 135190) that
> are already
> committed (http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n/mozilla-aurora/sl/)
> since 2 days.
>
> TiA
>
> smo

hja ...I should be working with http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-miramar/sl/
as suggested somewhere up this thread.
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Rimas Kudelis-4
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2011.05.18 11:35, Mark Banner rašė:

> Hi all,
>
> Sign offs are now open for the first beta build of Thunderbird 3.3.
>
> These will be open until 24 May @ 23:59 PDT.
>
> To be included in Thunderbird 3.3, we're setting the target date at 7
> June. There will be at least one more beta build after that date, and
> there may be others before then, if we need them.
>
> Your signoffs are available here:
>
> https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/dashboard?av=tb3.3
>
> Due to a minor issue with the infrastructure set up, the majority of you
> will need to push at least one changeset to your releases/l10n-miramar
> repository, this could just be a whitespace change if you're green
> already and not got anything extra to push.
>
> If you have any problems, please let us know and we'll get you fixed up.
>
> Well done to the 23 locales who are green already, that's good progress.
>
> Mark.


I'd like to sign off this check in for lt:
http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-miramar/lt/file/52edbb257424

I'm not doing it on the dashboard because it doesn't show this check in
(or any for that matter) and I prefer this workaround (posting a link
here) to the one where I push a meaningless changeset just to satisfy
the dashboard.

Rimas
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Axel Hecht
On 22.05.11 23:09, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

> 2011.05.18 11:35, Mark Banner rašė:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Sign offs are now open for the first beta build of Thunderbird 3.3.
>>
>> These will be open until 24 May @ 23:59 PDT.
>>
>> To be included in Thunderbird 3.3, we're setting the target date at 7
>> June. There will be at least one more beta build after that date, and
>> there may be others before then, if we need them.
>>
>> Your signoffs are available here:
>>
>> https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/dashboard?av=tb3.3
>>
>> Due to a minor issue with the infrastructure set up, the majority of you
>> will need to push at least one changeset to your releases/l10n-miramar
>> repository, this could just be a whitespace change if you're green
>> already and not got anything extra to push.
>>
>> If you have any problems, please let us know and we'll get you fixed up.
>>
>> Well done to the 23 locales who are green already, that's good progress.
>>
>> Mark.
>
>
> I'd like to sign off this check in for lt:
> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-miramar/lt/file/52edbb257424
>
> I'm not doing it on the dashboard because it doesn't show this check in
> (or any for that matter) and I prefer this workaround (posting a link
> here) to the one where I push a meaningless changeset just to satisfy
> the dashboard.
>
> Rimas

Not gonna work, sorry. That's technically not doable.

Axel
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Rimas Kudelis
2011.05.23 00:16, Axel Hecht rašė:

> On 22.05.11 23:09, Rimas Kudelis wrote:
>> 2011.05.18 11:35, Mark Banner rašė:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Sign offs are now open for the first beta build of Thunderbird 3.3.
>>>
>>> These will be open until 24 May @ 23:59 PDT.
>>>
>>> To be included in Thunderbird 3.3, we're setting the target date at 7
>>> June. There will be at least one more beta build after that date, and
>>> there may be others before then, if we need them.
>>>
>>> Your signoffs are available here:
>>>
>>> https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/dashboard?av=tb3.3
>>>
>>> Due to a minor issue with the infrastructure set up, the majority of you
>>> will need to push at least one changeset to your releases/l10n-miramar
>>> repository, this could just be a whitespace change if you're green
>>> already and not got anything extra to push.
>>>
>>> If you have any problems, please let us know and we'll get you fixed up.
>>>
>>> Well done to the 23 locales who are green already, that's good progress.
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>
>>
>> I'd like to sign off this check in for lt:
>> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-miramar/lt/file/52edbb257424
>>
>> I'm not doing it on the dashboard because it doesn't show this check in
>> (or any for that matter) and I prefer this workaround (posting a link
>> here) to the one where I push a meaningless changeset just to satisfy
>> the dashboard.
>>
>> Rimas
>
> Not gonna work, sorry. That's technically not doable.

Well Axel, when *you* or someone else on your team messes up, I would
expect you to at least offer to fix this situation *yourselves*. How you
do that – by hacking the database, by committing empty changesets
yourselves, or by doing anything else – doesn't matter to me. Right now
it just doesn't sound like you're sorry at all.

I'll push and sign off, whatever, but this makes me wonder a lot what
you would do if I didn't? Would lt just skip a release because I didn't
bother to sign off even while the locale is in perfect shape?

Rimas
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Axel Hecht
On 23.05.11 19:35, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

> 2011.05.23 00:16, Axel Hecht rašė:
>> On 22.05.11 23:09, Rimas Kudelis wrote:
>>> 2011.05.18 11:35, Mark Banner rašė:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Sign offs are now open for the first beta build of Thunderbird 3.3.
>>>>
>>>> These will be open until 24 May @ 23:59 PDT.
>>>>
>>>> To be included in Thunderbird 3.3, we're setting the target date at 7
>>>> June. There will be at least one more beta build after that date, and
>>>> there may be others before then, if we need them.
>>>>
>>>> Your signoffs are available here:
>>>>
>>>> https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/dashboard?av=tb3.3
>>>>
>>>> Due to a minor issue with the infrastructure set up, the majority of
>>>> you
>>>> will need to push at least one changeset to your releases/l10n-miramar
>>>> repository, this could just be a whitespace change if you're green
>>>> already and not got anything extra to push.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any problems, please let us know and we'll get you fixed
>>>> up.
>>>>
>>>> Well done to the 23 locales who are green already, that's good
>>>> progress.
>>>>
>>>> Mark.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to sign off this check in for lt:
>>> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-miramar/lt/file/52edbb257424
>>>
>>> I'm not doing it on the dashboard because it doesn't show this check in
>>> (or any for that matter) and I prefer this workaround (posting a link
>>> here) to the one where I push a meaningless changeset just to satisfy
>>> the dashboard.
>>>
>>> Rimas
>>
>> Not gonna work, sorry. That's technically not doable.
>
> Well Axel, when *you* or someone else on your team messes up, I would
> expect you to at least offer to fix this situation *yourselves*. How you
> do that – by hacking the database, by committing empty changesets
> yourselves, or by doing anything else – doesn't matter to me. Right now
> it just doesn't sound like you're sorry at all.
>
> I'll push and sign off, whatever, but this makes me wonder a lot what
> you would do if I didn't? Would lt just skip a release because I didn't
> bother to sign off even while the locale is in perfect shape?

Rimas,

I understand your frustration, and at least partly share it. [1]

That doesn't mean that we'll open up sign-off threads again, because
that's not gonna punish me, or Mark, or whomever, but just your fellow
localizers. Or, worse, your users.

Those people that drive the infrastructure don't intend to do this repo
setup again, so even if you feel like building up momentum against the
current setup, it is wasting your energy. On the other hand, we have
loads of things to do to get there. What you're doing here is just
keeping us from having something less sucky for the next cycle.

I have taken a good deal of dirty turns to get something to work, I've
have pledged to do a ton of cleanup myself. I'm continuously arguing
with the rest of the release infrastructure over how to do this release
scheme with l10n, and whenever I think I got it, someone comes in and
opens it again.

This particular issue of getting a push to sign-off on on a repo is a
problem that the community can help out with, and thus I'm requiring the
community to do so.

Axel

[1]
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_frm/thread/1af5652d0f02fd45/b9147cd6721f768d?lnk=gst&q=axel#b9147cd6721f768d
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Rimas Kudelis-4
Axel,

2011.05.23 23:17, Axel Hecht rašė:

> I understand your frustration, and at least partly share it. [1]
>
> That doesn't mean that we'll open up sign-off threads again, because
> that's not gonna punish me, or Mark, or whomever, but just your fellow
> localizers. Or, worse, your users.
>
> Those people that drive the infrastructure don't intend to do this repo
> setup again, so even if you feel like building up momentum against the
> current setup, it is wasting your energy. On the other hand, we have
> loads of things to do to get there. What you're doing here is just
> keeping us from having something less sucky for the next cycle.
>
> I have taken a good deal of dirty turns to get something to work, I've
> have pledged to do a ton of cleanup myself. I'm continuously arguing
> with the rest of the release infrastructure over how to do this release
> scheme with l10n, and whenever I think I got it, someone comes in and
> opens it again.
>
> This particular issue of getting a push to sign-off on on a repo is a
> problem that the community can help out with, and thus I'm requiring the
> community to do so.
>
> Axel
>
> [1]
> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_frm/thread/1af5652d0f02fd45/b9147cd6721f768d?lnk=gst&q=axel#b9147cd6721f768d

I know that sign-off threads suck. I just wanted it as an *alternative*
for this case. However, if this problem is indeed not going to manifest
again anytime soon or every six weeks, I can really live with that
little inconvenience. I've already signed off. You're right, with this
whining I'm just wasting our time. I'm sorry. And thanks for being
patient with my grumpy self! I guess I just need a vacation. :)

Rimas

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Axel Hecht
On 23.05.11 23:01, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

> Axel,
>
> 2011.05.23 23:17, Axel Hecht rašė:
>> I understand your frustration, and at least partly share it. [1]
>>
>> That doesn't mean that we'll open up sign-off threads again, because
>> that's not gonna punish me, or Mark, or whomever, but just your fellow
>> localizers. Or, worse, your users.
>>
>> Those people that drive the infrastructure don't intend to do this repo
>> setup again, so even if you feel like building up momentum against the
>> current setup, it is wasting your energy. On the other hand, we have
>> loads of things to do to get there. What you're doing here is just
>> keeping us from having something less sucky for the next cycle.
>>
>> I have taken a good deal of dirty turns to get something to work, I've
>> have pledged to do a ton of cleanup myself. I'm continuously arguing
>> with the rest of the release infrastructure over how to do this release
>> scheme with l10n, and whenever I think I got it, someone comes in and
>> opens it again.
>>
>> This particular issue of getting a push to sign-off on on a repo is a
>> problem that the community can help out with, and thus I'm requiring the
>> community to do so.
>>
>> Axel
>>
>> [1]
>> http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_frm/thread/1af5652d0f02fd45/b9147cd6721f768d?lnk=gst&q=axel#b9147cd6721f768d
>
> I know that sign-off threads suck. I just wanted it as an *alternative*
> for this case. However, if this problem is indeed not going to manifest
> again anytime soon or every six weeks, I can really live with that
> little inconvenience. I've already signed off. You're right, with this
> whining I'm just wasting our time. I'm sorry. And thanks for being
> patient with my grumpy self! I guess I just need a vacation. :)
>
> Rimas
>

Cool, thanks

Axel
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Pavel Franc-4
In reply to this post by Mark Banner-4
> Due to a minor issue with the infrastructure set up, the majority of you
> will need to push at least one changeset to your releases/l10n-miramar
> repository, this could just be a whitespace change if you're green
> already and not got anything extra to push.
>
> If you have any problems, please let us know and we'll get you fixed up.
>

Two changesets pushed
   https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/pushes/releases/l10n-miramar/cs
and still nothing to sign
   https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/signoffs/cs/tb3.3

Thanks for the help

Pavel
Mozilla.cz
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Michel Nédélec
Maybe a problem with the cache?
Can you try hard refreshing the Signoff page using shift-ctrl-r (or
ctrl-F5) ?

Michel

D'ar/an 03.06.2011 20:45, Skrivet eo bet gant Pavel Franc:

>> Due to a minor issue with the infrastructure set up, the majority of you
>> will need to push at least one changeset to your releases/l10n-miramar
>> repository, this could just be a whitespace change if you're green
>> already and not got anything extra to push.
>>
>> If you have any problems, please let us know and we'll get you fixed up.
>>
> Two changesets pushed
>     https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/pushes/releases/l10n-miramar/cs
> and still nothing to sign
>     https://l10n-stage-sj.mozilla.org/shipping/signoffs/cs/tb3.3
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> Pavel
> Mozilla.cz
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Sign-offs open for first Thunderbird 3.3 beta build - Dealine 24 May @ 23:59 PDT

Pavel Franc-4
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Dne 3.6.2011 21:36, Michel Nédélec napsal(a):
> Maybe a problem with the cache?
> Can you try hard refreshing the Signoff page using shift-ctrl-r (or
> ctrl-F5) ?

Yes! It helped.

Thanks
Pavel
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